How about we trade @KnickstapeCity to Minnesota for @tremonthustler1 ?shyt I’d trade him for one of the Atl Brehs
He likes talking about dikks so he'll fit right in Atlanta. :phildame:
Last 18/19 NY Knicks season transmission: "F*** all the haters from you to SAS" See y'all in '20
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He likes talking about dikks so he'll fit right in Atlanta. :phildame:
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Pass me the rock nikka
He's not overrated, he's a legitimate generational big and arguably the most talented and complete PF we've seen. You can argue team success but New Orleans has terrible management and they're in the West, he's balled tf out when they have made the playoffs. Before DMC's injury last season that team looked like they could have made some noise.I don’t really want AD, dude is a bit overrated to be honest.
I wouldn’t give up the whole farm for him
Kanter + Timmy + Mudiay and a second round pick
Also, for all the talk about his durability he's played 75 games the last two seasons.
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Our offense is hideous
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All Star
I wish we could fast forward to the draft lottery already
KnickstapeCity
RIP Big Dikk :wow: :mjcry:
How about we trade @KnickstapeCity to Minnesota for @tremonthustler1 ?
:philjacksonlol: Nah, you nikkas ain’t shyt.
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Wargames
One Of The Last Real Ones To Do It
So here are my thoughts on AD and I like to think I am a bit of a trade scenario optimist so I could be completely overconfident on these facts.
1) We have no chance at trading for AD
2) With AD leaving he is definitely sending a dog whistle to Kyrie to join him in LA and I have a strong suspicion the Pelicans asking for tampering charges is as much against Rich Paul and Lebron as AD himself.
3) The Pelicans do not take getting screwed in a trade easily, especially when its the Lakers, word to CP3
4) Lonzo and his pops don't seem to want anything to do with the Pelicans and need a major market to promote their entrepreneurial endeavors (aka sneakers and TV shows)
So based on these sort of facts I think the knicks can take advantage of the situation by either
1) Trading Vonleh for the Philly first and seeing if its enough to get Ball in a NO/Laker trade since NO has a PG in Jrue, Ball aint going to NO without a headache and the Knicks might be willing to deal with him..... Maybe, For the Knicks Ball becomes the best PG on the roster. A late first is a steal for him talent wise, but due to his pops and the fact he needs more time to develop....... It might just work. I could see a lot of teams being hesitant to take him and his pops on. The only real negative is we no longer have Max money. However. the young core is now one of the most brolic in the league and about to add a 20 Million FA and a high pick.
NBA Trade Machine - ESPN plus at least two 1st rounders (Philly and Lakers) potentially 3 cause if I am NO I want a pick in the future in case Lebron falls apart.
Lakers, Knicks Preparing Trade Offers For Anthony Davis, 76ers Not Interested In Deal Also all four of those teams are in rumors right now...... plus this Anthony Davis trade rumors: Lakers' Lonzo Ball doesn't want to play for Pelicans, per report
2) Kyrie is a lot more likely going to leave Boston with no chance of AD, the youth there doesn't respect him, Gordon is looking like a long recovery at best, and he perhaps doesn't actually want to play in LA considering he would be re-signing to play again with Lebron.
This is simple, fukk KD (Who we realistically can't afford) go after Kyrie and draft a weapon in either Zion, RJ, Cam, Culver, or Romeo.
1) We have no chance at trading for AD
2) With AD leaving he is definitely sending a dog whistle to Kyrie to join him in LA and I have a strong suspicion the Pelicans asking for tampering charges is as much against Rich Paul and Lebron as AD himself.
3) The Pelicans do not take getting screwed in a trade easily, especially when its the Lakers, word to CP3
4) Lonzo and his pops don't seem to want anything to do with the Pelicans and need a major market to promote their entrepreneurial endeavors (aka sneakers and TV shows)
So based on these sort of facts I think the knicks can take advantage of the situation by either
1) Trading Vonleh for the Philly first and seeing if its enough to get Ball in a NO/Laker trade since NO has a PG in Jrue, Ball aint going to NO without a headache and the Knicks might be willing to deal with him..... Maybe, For the Knicks Ball becomes the best PG on the roster. A late first is a steal for him talent wise, but due to his pops and the fact he needs more time to develop....... It might just work. I could see a lot of teams being hesitant to take him and his pops on. The only real negative is we no longer have Max money. However. the young core is now one of the most brolic in the league and about to add a 20 Million FA and a high pick.
NBA Trade Machine - ESPN plus at least two 1st rounders (Philly and Lakers) potentially 3 cause if I am NO I want a pick in the future in case Lebron falls apart.
Lakers, Knicks Preparing Trade Offers For Anthony Davis, 76ers Not Interested In Deal Also all four of those teams are in rumors right now...... plus this Anthony Davis trade rumors: Lakers' Lonzo Ball doesn't want to play for Pelicans, per report
2) Kyrie is a lot more likely going to leave Boston with no chance of AD, the youth there doesn't respect him, Gordon is looking like a long recovery at best, and he perhaps doesn't actually want to play in LA considering he would be re-signing to play again with Lebron.
This is simple, fukk KD (Who we realistically can't afford) go after Kyrie and draft a weapon in either Zion, RJ, Cam, Culver, or Romeo.
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Wargames
One Of The Last Real Ones To Do It
Lucha Vandross
Rhythm & High Spots
fukk AD id rather us take our chances to draft high enough to grab ZION. Hell even rj
Not worth losing our youth and top pick for a circus season focused on whether he'll stay. Glad AD is putting this out there so we can stay focused on our game plan. No shortcuts!
storyteller
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The Anthony Davis speculation was so heavy that it'd be easy to completely miss the fact that the Knicks had a game last night. New York fell to Charlotte 92-101 in a game that was a bit tough to watch. The bright spots were mainly the rookies; Knox and Mitch had really strong showings while newcomer Kadeem Allen flashed a few things. While most of the vets played forgettable basketball, THJ was all over the stat sheet which is a welcome sign and Mario Hezonja has finally settled into his game somewhat. But what we really saw was that this team has fight but lacks firepower. The tank is strong enough that I'm not even too worried about the Ides of March when teams are tanking or resting. A deal for AD might change the math, but I'm not sure how much because we'd be forfeiting what depth we have (presumably). Either way, this season is about development, so let's look at how players are developing.
Burke: Trey Burke lost a bit of momentum last night. In his first start in a long time, Burke clocked 25 minutes and shot 4/11 to log 9 points, 3 assists and 2 rebounds. It felt like this game devolved to heavy isolation pretty quickly although Timmy was the hot hand taking most of those opportunities. Meanwhile, Trey.I. didn't ever catch a rhythm to string together positive possessions because of the nature of the offensive play all around. On the defensive end, he deserves from props. The team as a whole did a good job containing Kemba Walker but that defense starts at the top of the key with the point. Otherwise though, this wasn't very inspiring.
THJ: My stance on Fizdale's recent comments that mentioned Tim Hardaway's salary was that it was an attempt to reel him in. Last night, Timmy settled less and got the looks that he really wanted plus added in an improved motor. Hardaway posted 17 points, 10 rebounds and 4 assists in another positive performance. He's starting to trend in the right direction and that starts with him getting into the teeth of the defense. THJ drove and finished or sometimes stepped inside of the three point line to knockdown an easier midrange. The midrange jumper is out of vogue but if you can knock it down consistently; it's a weapon to keep in mind when the three ball isn't falling and you're getting resistance at the rim (paging Trier). It's worth noting that Tim was the focal point out the gate which may have got him going out of the gate and also that Tim was active everywhere. The rebounds and assists are the best part of this performance, showing effort that doesn't require shots.
Knox: Kevin Knox had spent five games prior to last night looking like he'd hit the rookie wall HARD. He looked sluggish at times, the jumper wasn't working and that combo made his drives to the rack easily denied. Last night though, Knox started off aggressive early and was rewarded with a big night. Knox chipped in 7/16 from the field including 3/4 from three for 19 points, 3 boards and an assist in 35 minutes. By starting on the attack inside, Knox found a rhythm early and maintained it into a third quarter scoring run. There wasn't much new about the nature of the scoring because he's shown all the versatility already. Defensively, he's still a work in progress but I do find him working to the middle to help inside more often these days. The third was the real standout though; when that versatility cliques and defenders are caught in perpetual no man's land because he'll either knock down a jumper in space or drive by tight defense, Knox has gamechanging offensive ability. The Knicks have had a lot of ugly third quarters recently, but Knox gave them a boost that kept the game tight until fatigue kicked in.
Lance: Not as visibly effective as the last couple from Lance, but I do still see defensive rotations improved as Lance Thomas is on the floor. Thomas put up 5 points, 2 boards and an assist in 22 minutes. The problem? 1/5 from the field and 0/3 from three point land. He has to keep defenses honest to really have value.
Vonleh: Noah Vonleh shot poorly but was otherwise his usual sturdy presence. Vonleh ended the night with 5 points, 12 boards and 2 assists while shooting 2/7 from the field 0/3 from three. His offense at C tends to really get off the ground when he hits a three or two that forces Centers to rethink just dropping off into the lane. Last night without the three ball though, Vonleh was stuck trying to get inside on a team with a lot of helpful wings like MKG and Batum. Still, Vonleh got 35 minutes in this game and I think a big part of that is the value he gave the Knicks on the glass and as a defensive presence. Watching Vonleh switch onto Kemba effectively for the most part is when the big man's true value to a team creeps up.
Allen: Kadeem Allen entered the game and made his way to the hoop for a quick lay-up. That introduction was apt for the G-league call up who showed off a good motor and control but also faded later in the game as the Hornets picked up intensity. Allen put up a promising 4/8 from the field for 8 points, 5 boards, 3 assists in 18 minutes. The fact that he doesn't force much was great and he also had moments where his hustle made things happen like grabbing offensive boards for putbacks. He didn't leap off of the screen but he looked serviceable, especially in his first stint out there.
Trier: This was a game where Allonzo Trier showed off one real aspect of his game and struggled with the rest. Trier got to the line 8 times in the first half off of hard drives to the basket but he also didn't make a field goal all night. Iso-Zo ended up with 7 points, 3 assists and 3 rebounds on 0/7 shooting with 3 missed three's. The good is drawing free throws frequently and overall being elusive. The bad is that his elusiveness and foul drawing came at the expense of looking off or not even seeing wide open players like Dotson on a fast break where Zo drove into a double team instead. The assist total does show some ball movement but it's two man game stuff. That's a good and bad news situation too. The good news is that Trier has realized just how easily he can get the ball to Mitch in a position to score off screens. Zo's lob game to Mitch is the best on the team. But the bad is that lobs to the roll man don't really tell us much about Trier's peripheral vision or ability to see the floor outside of the lane. His anticipation and ability to find Mitch is promising but he has had a lot of missed opportunities to create for his fellow guards and wings.
Dot: Damyean Dotson's the last guy I want to see get his minutes cut, but he didn't seem like he was on his A game last night to be fair. In 14 minutes Dot put up 3 points, 2 boards and 2 steals over just 14 minutes of play on 1/3 shooting with that one make coming on his only attempted three. I've mentioned above that the game felt ISO heavy and that may have leeched some of Dot's efficacy. He didn't do himself any favors though missing a fast break lay-up against light resistance. It was just one of those quiet performances where Dot lacks the touches to get going and never finds his aggression because of it.
Hezonja: Well Mario Hezonja outplayed his halfway decent statline last night and this is really looking like a pattern. Mario shot a tough 4/11 from the field missing 2 three point attempts without making one. The shooting struggles aside though, Mario was pretty solid. Hezonja gave the Knicks 9 points, 2 assists 4 boards and 3 TO's. That's not the prettiest line but what we saw was an attacking mentality from Hezonja regardless of if he had the ball. He made hard cuts off ball, sought out opportunities to handle the rock and was a willing passer (TO's came on forcing passes). I get shades of Turkoglu when Mario handles the rock and creates space for a cutter then dragged back to reality when he throws the pass a tick late and just slightly off the mark for a TO. Hezonja's defense is also looking improved, not good but improved. He was active enough to log a steal and an assist while being involved in many more defensive plays. This is a guy I used to joke about being completely lost on that end so it's a welcome sign of growth that he stayed focused all night.
Mitch: I basically drop everything and lean in for the 15 minute Mitchell Robinson show every Knicks game night. Mitch moves around the floor incredibly well for his size and is determined to challenge everything which means on defense it's block or foul. On offense, the Knicks FINALLY realize that all they have to do is put the ball in the air around the basket for Mitch to either draw a foul or dunk. Robinson finished 13 minutes of burn with 10 points on 4/5 from the field while also picking up 2 boards, 3 blocks and a steal. Mitch just has an incredible amount of gravity. Now there is a negative to chasing the ball at all times. Mitch can be pump faked out of position or give up an offensive board because he was late getting to a slasher. But that's a price I'm willing to pay for the amount of discomfort Mitch creates out there. As he becomes more patient and recognizes situations more quickly, we'll see Mitch in position to impact even more plays plus conserve his energy to last longer. I don't know what it will take, but Mitch needs to at least be getting 20 minutes a night. His per 36 since returning production is the stuff of offseason hypetrains for sure.
Fiz: Players are hurt, we're going young and the Fizdale doesn't have a great selection of options right now. That makes it hard to be too harsh on him although I do have a couple of critiques. Mitch should be getting more minutes on any nights that he doesn't get into foul trouble. As teams appear to be dropping off Vonleh consistently lately, I'd like to see some attempt to counter that which doesn't rely on Vonleh just firing up three's. That makes sense for Luke Kornet but Vonleh isn't that in terms of consistency. The main issue I'm seeing is that our PF's and C's are more mobile and better suited to run in the modern game but they were 0/8 from three last night while also losing the rebounding battle. You've gotta space the floor if you're losing on the boards due to size and on a night like last, I'm not sure if there's much Fiz can do short of going even smaller or getting a Mitch/Vonleh combo out there to kill teams with size. Either way, it doesn't take Kanter to address the problem, Vonleh is a good rebounder and others will step up but we need big bodies boxing out or better spacing to be effective on the interior.
Burke: Trey Burke lost a bit of momentum last night. In his first start in a long time, Burke clocked 25 minutes and shot 4/11 to log 9 points, 3 assists and 2 rebounds. It felt like this game devolved to heavy isolation pretty quickly although Timmy was the hot hand taking most of those opportunities. Meanwhile, Trey.I. didn't ever catch a rhythm to string together positive possessions because of the nature of the offensive play all around. On the defensive end, he deserves from props. The team as a whole did a good job containing Kemba Walker but that defense starts at the top of the key with the point. Otherwise though, this wasn't very inspiring.
THJ: My stance on Fizdale's recent comments that mentioned Tim Hardaway's salary was that it was an attempt to reel him in. Last night, Timmy settled less and got the looks that he really wanted plus added in an improved motor. Hardaway posted 17 points, 10 rebounds and 4 assists in another positive performance. He's starting to trend in the right direction and that starts with him getting into the teeth of the defense. THJ drove and finished or sometimes stepped inside of the three point line to knockdown an easier midrange. The midrange jumper is out of vogue but if you can knock it down consistently; it's a weapon to keep in mind when the three ball isn't falling and you're getting resistance at the rim (paging Trier). It's worth noting that Tim was the focal point out the gate which may have got him going out of the gate and also that Tim was active everywhere. The rebounds and assists are the best part of this performance, showing effort that doesn't require shots.
Knox: Kevin Knox had spent five games prior to last night looking like he'd hit the rookie wall HARD. He looked sluggish at times, the jumper wasn't working and that combo made his drives to the rack easily denied. Last night though, Knox started off aggressive early and was rewarded with a big night. Knox chipped in 7/16 from the field including 3/4 from three for 19 points, 3 boards and an assist in 35 minutes. By starting on the attack inside, Knox found a rhythm early and maintained it into a third quarter scoring run. There wasn't much new about the nature of the scoring because he's shown all the versatility already. Defensively, he's still a work in progress but I do find him working to the middle to help inside more often these days. The third was the real standout though; when that versatility cliques and defenders are caught in perpetual no man's land because he'll either knock down a jumper in space or drive by tight defense, Knox has gamechanging offensive ability. The Knicks have had a lot of ugly third quarters recently, but Knox gave them a boost that kept the game tight until fatigue kicked in.
Lance: Not as visibly effective as the last couple from Lance, but I do still see defensive rotations improved as Lance Thomas is on the floor. Thomas put up 5 points, 2 boards and an assist in 22 minutes. The problem? 1/5 from the field and 0/3 from three point land. He has to keep defenses honest to really have value.
Vonleh: Noah Vonleh shot poorly but was otherwise his usual sturdy presence. Vonleh ended the night with 5 points, 12 boards and 2 assists while shooting 2/7 from the field 0/3 from three. His offense at C tends to really get off the ground when he hits a three or two that forces Centers to rethink just dropping off into the lane. Last night without the three ball though, Vonleh was stuck trying to get inside on a team with a lot of helpful wings like MKG and Batum. Still, Vonleh got 35 minutes in this game and I think a big part of that is the value he gave the Knicks on the glass and as a defensive presence. Watching Vonleh switch onto Kemba effectively for the most part is when the big man's true value to a team creeps up.
Allen: Kadeem Allen entered the game and made his way to the hoop for a quick lay-up. That introduction was apt for the G-league call up who showed off a good motor and control but also faded later in the game as the Hornets picked up intensity. Allen put up a promising 4/8 from the field for 8 points, 5 boards, 3 assists in 18 minutes. The fact that he doesn't force much was great and he also had moments where his hustle made things happen like grabbing offensive boards for putbacks. He didn't leap off of the screen but he looked serviceable, especially in his first stint out there.
Trier: This was a game where Allonzo Trier showed off one real aspect of his game and struggled with the rest. Trier got to the line 8 times in the first half off of hard drives to the basket but he also didn't make a field goal all night. Iso-Zo ended up with 7 points, 3 assists and 3 rebounds on 0/7 shooting with 3 missed three's. The good is drawing free throws frequently and overall being elusive. The bad is that his elusiveness and foul drawing came at the expense of looking off or not even seeing wide open players like Dotson on a fast break where Zo drove into a double team instead. The assist total does show some ball movement but it's two man game stuff. That's a good and bad news situation too. The good news is that Trier has realized just how easily he can get the ball to Mitch in a position to score off screens. Zo's lob game to Mitch is the best on the team. But the bad is that lobs to the roll man don't really tell us much about Trier's peripheral vision or ability to see the floor outside of the lane. His anticipation and ability to find Mitch is promising but he has had a lot of missed opportunities to create for his fellow guards and wings.
Dot: Damyean Dotson's the last guy I want to see get his minutes cut, but he didn't seem like he was on his A game last night to be fair. In 14 minutes Dot put up 3 points, 2 boards and 2 steals over just 14 minutes of play on 1/3 shooting with that one make coming on his only attempted three. I've mentioned above that the game felt ISO heavy and that may have leeched some of Dot's efficacy. He didn't do himself any favors though missing a fast break lay-up against light resistance. It was just one of those quiet performances where Dot lacks the touches to get going and never finds his aggression because of it.
Hezonja: Well Mario Hezonja outplayed his halfway decent statline last night and this is really looking like a pattern. Mario shot a tough 4/11 from the field missing 2 three point attempts without making one. The shooting struggles aside though, Mario was pretty solid. Hezonja gave the Knicks 9 points, 2 assists 4 boards and 3 TO's. That's not the prettiest line but what we saw was an attacking mentality from Hezonja regardless of if he had the ball. He made hard cuts off ball, sought out opportunities to handle the rock and was a willing passer (TO's came on forcing passes). I get shades of Turkoglu when Mario handles the rock and creates space for a cutter then dragged back to reality when he throws the pass a tick late and just slightly off the mark for a TO. Hezonja's defense is also looking improved, not good but improved. He was active enough to log a steal and an assist while being involved in many more defensive plays. This is a guy I used to joke about being completely lost on that end so it's a welcome sign of growth that he stayed focused all night.
Mitch: I basically drop everything and lean in for the 15 minute Mitchell Robinson show every Knicks game night. Mitch moves around the floor incredibly well for his size and is determined to challenge everything which means on defense it's block or foul. On offense, the Knicks FINALLY realize that all they have to do is put the ball in the air around the basket for Mitch to either draw a foul or dunk. Robinson finished 13 minutes of burn with 10 points on 4/5 from the field while also picking up 2 boards, 3 blocks and a steal. Mitch just has an incredible amount of gravity. Now there is a negative to chasing the ball at all times. Mitch can be pump faked out of position or give up an offensive board because he was late getting to a slasher. But that's a price I'm willing to pay for the amount of discomfort Mitch creates out there. As he becomes more patient and recognizes situations more quickly, we'll see Mitch in position to impact even more plays plus conserve his energy to last longer. I don't know what it will take, but Mitch needs to at least be getting 20 minutes a night. His per 36 since returning production is the stuff of offseason hypetrains for sure.
Fiz: Players are hurt, we're going young and the Fizdale doesn't have a great selection of options right now. That makes it hard to be too harsh on him although I do have a couple of critiques. Mitch should be getting more minutes on any nights that he doesn't get into foul trouble. As teams appear to be dropping off Vonleh consistently lately, I'd like to see some attempt to counter that which doesn't rely on Vonleh just firing up three's. That makes sense for Luke Kornet but Vonleh isn't that in terms of consistency. The main issue I'm seeing is that our PF's and C's are more mobile and better suited to run in the modern game but they were 0/8 from three last night while also losing the rebounding battle. You've gotta space the floor if you're losing on the boards due to size and on a night like last, I'm not sure if there's much Fiz can do short of going even smaller or getting a Mitch/Vonleh combo out there to kill teams with size. Either way, it doesn't take Kanter to address the problem, Vonleh is a good rebounder and others will step up but we need big bodies boxing out or better spacing to be effective on the interior.
storyteller
Veteran
Explains the whole tampering bits from the NO statement too. I'm good riding it out to a shot at Zion or Morant (or Garland or Culver) and stockpiling more assets before we jump at a superstar trade. When we have too much depth to play everyone, then we can consolidate. Davis is the latest but the last few years there have been no shortages on stud players demanding trades or signing elsewhere, patience will win.
