Last 18/19 NY Knicks season transmission: "F*** all the haters from you to SAS" See y'all in '20
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Exactly why the fukk are they treated like they are KP? They not untouchable there defense terrible and he just keeps rolling them out .Tim, Trey, and Henz don't need to be on this teamAnd here goes Mudiay
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Look I give Fiz a pass on these rotations this year because this team is shyt and we need to engage the full tank for that #1 spot and get us a bonified monster to pair with Kristaps and the other star we get this off-season. But he had better not be this bad when we're expected to be good.Lurk Angle
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Wtf happened to MelYeah?
Melyeah died omg terrible news. What a good dude. Brehs use to make fun of him in here
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Wtf happened to MelYeah?
Heart attack in his home, according to the official RIP thread
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The Knicks finally came back to our time zone but that was just about all that's changed. They took on another double digit loss, this time against the Pacers. With Robinson and Frank out; the defense just feels doomed. Fizdale's calls for ball movement didn't land well either; the Pacers attacked our ball handlers with hard pressure and they wilted. The pressure meant a lot of awful possessions, ugly turnovers and contested jumpers with an uneven distribution of touches since the ball handler was liable to take a panic jumper. The good news is the youth though. Knox closed the game out especially strong; Dot was the only guard who couldn't be shaken by pressure defense; meanwhile Trier's statline is ugly but there was something I liked about his performance that we'll get into shortly...the recaps are back fam, take this ride with me.
Mudiay: Mudiay has been regressing to the mean more and more playwise. In this one, he had an abysmal first half and a productive second half that involved him mostly just focusing on his own offense. The good? He knocked down 3/7 from three point range and at times when he dedicated himself to getting all the way to the rim. That said, he's gotten into this habit of cutting a drive off to post up instead and it always ends in a contested turn around jumper...I hate that. Everything else was flat out bad. Mudiay went 8/18 for 21 points with 3 assists to 4 TO's. If you've followed these recaps you know that this is everything I hate. A starting PG attempting 18 shot attempts, limited assists and more turnovers to boot!
THJ: Tim Hardaway Jr's injuries continued to pile up and I'm not sure why Fiz keeps trotting him out there for extended time while he labors. We know he has plantar fascitis, he took a bad one on the knee the other night and last night he had to limp off the court for another lower body issue. Timmy's signed into the future and the future is what matters most. It's also not like he's playing particularly well. Tim went 4/11 for 12 points, 2 assists and 6 boards in what was one of his better recent performances. That's not a compliment but an indictment of his struggles. He played piss poor defense and just hasn't been attacking inside like how he started (deterred by injuries maybe?). Even with all of this, I'm trying to be optimistic. He's been pushed into a bigger role than he should be in and he's playing monster minutes on injured feet. There's still a chance that a reduced role and minutes will help him get back to productive play; especially when defenses have to focus on other players. None of that matters though, unless THJ shows some defensive improvement because it's been ugly.
Knox: Kevin Knox had 14 points on 5/10 shooting with flashes of that offensive hype, but I wouldn't categorize this as a good one for his standards. The numbers were forgettable right up until garbage time kicked in and then he finally got the green light. Before that, he had inconsistent touches (not his fault) and I felt he settled on a few jumpers just chasing his rhythm. The scoring potential is a known commodity at this point though. The fluidity on his jumper at 6'10 is pretty astounding with a fast release for even a guard when he needs to get it up. The floater is obnoxious and his handling is a work in progress but already effective. This game saw a lack of impact elsewhere though. Knox had 2 assists to 3 TO's, 2 boards and nothing to write home about on defense.
Vonleh: Noah Vonleh is pretty much always the best Knick on the floor when he’s out there thanks to two-way ability. The problem last night was that he couldn’t stay out there thanks to foul trouble. So we only got 19 minutes out of the only viable Center for the Knicks last night. Vonleh had 12 points on 5/6 shooting, just 3 boards and 4 TO’s with a return of the offensive foul bug. He was the only starter with a pulse on defense, knocked down 2/3 from long distance and had effective face-up drives too; but he doesn’t get a pass for losing so much time to fouls.
Kornet: Let’s be real about Luke Kornet, his statline boils down to 3-point shooting. Last night that 3 ball was non-existent. Kornet shot 1/7 on the night, 1/6 from three for 3 points and sub 20% from the field for a starting C. To be fair, the guards looked him off on some wide open opportunities which combined with his misses to visibly sap the big man’s confidence. Also only fair to point out that Luke was no better than Enes Kanter’s weakest nights defensively, which is saying something.
Hezonja: So Mario Hezonja continued his streak of good play in spite of a weak shooting night. Mario went 4/12 on the night and making just 1 out of 4 long distance attempts for 10 points. But the shots he took weren’t bad for the most part. He also played with a sense of clarity and focus that is brand new. That led to 6 boards, 2 assists, a block and count ‘em! FIVE STEALS. Hezonja has the tools to be a positive sum player even when his shot is off. I will add one weakness that was clear as day though, the Pacers looked to post Mario up a LOT. He was zealous in his attempts but just didn’t have the strength to get the stops.
Dotson: I saw Mario’s resurgence as a bit scary because of what it might mean for Damyean Dotson’s minutes, but he got 28 minutes last night and quietly compiled a productive stat-line. Dotson dropped 15 points, 6 boards and 4 assists on a hyper efficient 4/7 shooting and 3/5 long range work. So Dot, our best perimeter defender in Frank’s absence, also led the team in assists and 3 point makes while virtually never forcing anything. As a matter of fact, my biggest complaint is that he passed up some strong looks on a night when he had it going. Best player for the Knicks last night…period.
Burke: Look, I’m not about the pile on Trey Burke for not being what we need. He is what he is and that’s a volume scorer with chance to explode if he’s hot. Last night just didn’t have that hot streak of shooting included. Burke went 5/12 for 12 points and 3 assists without a turnover. I’m always frustrated that Burke misses open players for kickouts and pick and pops; but his game is predicated on getting the shot going. I’ve called his skillset redundant with Trier since the preseason and I’ll say it again.
Trier: The problem with having Allonzo Trier and Trey Burke out there together is that there aren’t enough isolations to go around. Iso-Zo was 2/2 for 5 points and 2 assists in 16 minutes. I may be pressing for optimism but the slight shift in Trier that I mentioned earlier is a return to being patient. Trier got back to attacking with repetitious hesitations to get himself into the painted area for easy looks. Recently, he’s been much more inclined to go full speed at the defender and look for foul calls. That’s not a bad strategy in today’s NBA but he hasn’t gotten whistles or been efficient inside which bleeds into poor shooting outside. So last night’s 2 FGAs were promising to me. Another noteworthy bit is that Zo flashed his defensive potential on more than one possession. His block on an Oladipo drive was picture perfect though and that’s the one people will remember, so if you missed the game you should go and find that.
Lance: Lance played really well last night and that’s just what it is. I’m the dude who has a gang of recaps complaining about the dude but whenever he hits that 15-minutes sweet spot, we get the best parts of his game without the bad ones bleeding through. Lance contributed 2 points, 7 boards and 1 assist in that short span while also giving the Knicks a defensive presence. The 7 rebounds was great because that’s another aspect I look for; Thomas is a reliable defender but his lack of measurable production isn’t made up for by that defense alone. The rebounding effort is an addition that could keep him out there and producing.
Fiz: It’s tough to judge Fiz with this injury depleted line-up. That gets even tougher when they’re outmatched by a super deep team. Then it gets a triple whammy in the form of Vonleh’s foul trouble. His hands were pretty tied in this one. How do you punish PG’s for playing me-first without any passers to replace them? Can’t punish bad defenders without defensive guys to switch in. So for the most part, I’m giving a pass on this one although I would like to see him do whatever he has to in order for Knox to get it going.
Mudiay: Mudiay has been regressing to the mean more and more playwise. In this one, he had an abysmal first half and a productive second half that involved him mostly just focusing on his own offense. The good? He knocked down 3/7 from three point range and at times when he dedicated himself to getting all the way to the rim. That said, he's gotten into this habit of cutting a drive off to post up instead and it always ends in a contested turn around jumper...I hate that. Everything else was flat out bad. Mudiay went 8/18 for 21 points with 3 assists to 4 TO's. If you've followed these recaps you know that this is everything I hate. A starting PG attempting 18 shot attempts, limited assists and more turnovers to boot!
THJ: Tim Hardaway Jr's injuries continued to pile up and I'm not sure why Fiz keeps trotting him out there for extended time while he labors. We know he has plantar fascitis, he took a bad one on the knee the other night and last night he had to limp off the court for another lower body issue. Timmy's signed into the future and the future is what matters most. It's also not like he's playing particularly well. Tim went 4/11 for 12 points, 2 assists and 6 boards in what was one of his better recent performances. That's not a compliment but an indictment of his struggles. He played piss poor defense and just hasn't been attacking inside like how he started (deterred by injuries maybe?). Even with all of this, I'm trying to be optimistic. He's been pushed into a bigger role than he should be in and he's playing monster minutes on injured feet. There's still a chance that a reduced role and minutes will help him get back to productive play; especially when defenses have to focus on other players. None of that matters though, unless THJ shows some defensive improvement because it's been ugly.
Knox: Kevin Knox had 14 points on 5/10 shooting with flashes of that offensive hype, but I wouldn't categorize this as a good one for his standards. The numbers were forgettable right up until garbage time kicked in and then he finally got the green light. Before that, he had inconsistent touches (not his fault) and I felt he settled on a few jumpers just chasing his rhythm. The scoring potential is a known commodity at this point though. The fluidity on his jumper at 6'10 is pretty astounding with a fast release for even a guard when he needs to get it up. The floater is obnoxious and his handling is a work in progress but already effective. This game saw a lack of impact elsewhere though. Knox had 2 assists to 3 TO's, 2 boards and nothing to write home about on defense.
Vonleh: Noah Vonleh is pretty much always the best Knick on the floor when he’s out there thanks to two-way ability. The problem last night was that he couldn’t stay out there thanks to foul trouble. So we only got 19 minutes out of the only viable Center for the Knicks last night. Vonleh had 12 points on 5/6 shooting, just 3 boards and 4 TO’s with a return of the offensive foul bug. He was the only starter with a pulse on defense, knocked down 2/3 from long distance and had effective face-up drives too; but he doesn’t get a pass for losing so much time to fouls.
Kornet: Let’s be real about Luke Kornet, his statline boils down to 3-point shooting. Last night that 3 ball was non-existent. Kornet shot 1/7 on the night, 1/6 from three for 3 points and sub 20% from the field for a starting C. To be fair, the guards looked him off on some wide open opportunities which combined with his misses to visibly sap the big man’s confidence. Also only fair to point out that Luke was no better than Enes Kanter’s weakest nights defensively, which is saying something.
Hezonja: So Mario Hezonja continued his streak of good play in spite of a weak shooting night. Mario went 4/12 on the night and making just 1 out of 4 long distance attempts for 10 points. But the shots he took weren’t bad for the most part. He also played with a sense of clarity and focus that is brand new. That led to 6 boards, 2 assists, a block and count ‘em! FIVE STEALS. Hezonja has the tools to be a positive sum player even when his shot is off. I will add one weakness that was clear as day though, the Pacers looked to post Mario up a LOT. He was zealous in his attempts but just didn’t have the strength to get the stops.
Dotson: I saw Mario’s resurgence as a bit scary because of what it might mean for Damyean Dotson’s minutes, but he got 28 minutes last night and quietly compiled a productive stat-line. Dotson dropped 15 points, 6 boards and 4 assists on a hyper efficient 4/7 shooting and 3/5 long range work. So Dot, our best perimeter defender in Frank’s absence, also led the team in assists and 3 point makes while virtually never forcing anything. As a matter of fact, my biggest complaint is that he passed up some strong looks on a night when he had it going. Best player for the Knicks last night…period.
Burke: Look, I’m not about the pile on Trey Burke for not being what we need. He is what he is and that’s a volume scorer with chance to explode if he’s hot. Last night just didn’t have that hot streak of shooting included. Burke went 5/12 for 12 points and 3 assists without a turnover. I’m always frustrated that Burke misses open players for kickouts and pick and pops; but his game is predicated on getting the shot going. I’ve called his skillset redundant with Trier since the preseason and I’ll say it again.
Trier: The problem with having Allonzo Trier and Trey Burke out there together is that there aren’t enough isolations to go around. Iso-Zo was 2/2 for 5 points and 2 assists in 16 minutes. I may be pressing for optimism but the slight shift in Trier that I mentioned earlier is a return to being patient. Trier got back to attacking with repetitious hesitations to get himself into the painted area for easy looks. Recently, he’s been much more inclined to go full speed at the defender and look for foul calls. That’s not a bad strategy in today’s NBA but he hasn’t gotten whistles or been efficient inside which bleeds into poor shooting outside. So last night’s 2 FGAs were promising to me. Another noteworthy bit is that Zo flashed his defensive potential on more than one possession. His block on an Oladipo drive was picture perfect though and that’s the one people will remember, so if you missed the game you should go and find that.
Lance: Lance played really well last night and that’s just what it is. I’m the dude who has a gang of recaps complaining about the dude but whenever he hits that 15-minutes sweet spot, we get the best parts of his game without the bad ones bleeding through. Lance contributed 2 points, 7 boards and 1 assist in that short span while also giving the Knicks a defensive presence. The 7 rebounds was great because that’s another aspect I look for; Thomas is a reliable defender but his lack of measurable production isn’t made up for by that defense alone. The rebounding effort is an addition that could keep him out there and producing.
Fiz: It’s tough to judge Fiz with this injury depleted line-up. That gets even tougher when they’re outmatched by a super deep team. Then it gets a triple whammy in the form of Vonleh’s foul trouble. His hands were pretty tied in this one. How do you punish PG’s for playing me-first without any passers to replace them? Can’t punish bad defenders without defensive guys to switch in. So for the most part, I’m giving a pass on this one although I would like to see him do whatever he has to in order for Knox to get it going.
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If we got him I need Tim, Trey, Mudiay, and possibly Lee outta here too. We need less b dominate players if he comes through. KP and Knox need the rock as it is.Interesting what Reddish can do when just ONE of the Duke big 3 is out of his way...
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Pass me the rock nikka
That’s why I’m not really interested in the wings
Zion and Morant is where it’s at for me
He was wide open lolInteresting what Reddish can do when just ONE of the Duke big 3 is out of his way...
Ethnic Vagina Finder
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Breh, we knew what it was before the season started. This season is a throw away. I want the losses to pile up.
As for Knox, he's a baby. It's no secret why Luca has been able to transition to the pro's and someone like Knox hasn't fully just yet. 1 year of college and the NBA are totally different mindsets.
Hopefully the Knicks get the first pick. That's all I care about.
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