Last 18/19 NY Knicks season transmission: "F*** all the haters from you to SAS" See y'all in '20
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It’s still early, I’m ok with these wins. shyt shouldn’t continue after the new year tho, no more than 20-23 wins.
You could tell a few of the young guys were losing confidence, happy to see them growing up or playing through shyt.
You could tell a few of the young guys were losing confidence, happy to see them growing up or playing through shyt.
Hopefully that 8th pick in the draft is a keeper
De’Andre Hunter here we come
Mudiay upping that trade value
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One Of The Last Real Ones To Do It
Hopefully that 8th pick in the draft is a keeper
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5th pick isn't bad if we don't tank.
It's weird.
Like we are in an alternate universe where we picked Mudiay instead of KP and never traded Timmy.
Frank is letting a "bust" & an undrafted rookie out play him this season. Knicks need to move on from that bum
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At least phoniex n Cleveland won
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respectfully, eat a dikk
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mudiay is on performance enhancing drugs
You got the odacity to show your face in this thread again?Don’t you got a rockets thread to be in? Or wherever Melo is by now.
Get out your feelings, little girl.
Don’t you got a rockets thread to be in? Or wherever Melo is by now.
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I'm in my feelings but you show up in a thread about a team that had your p*ssy hurt over carmelo 2 years ago
fake denouncing fanship only to worry about players you supposedly dont care about
you're a cornball
eat a dikk
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Duke loses a game and suddenly the Knicks roll out a new rotation that's beating playoff teams, coincidence? Jokes fam, but seriously this little stretch is fun and the team probably needed a couple of wins to keep the energy right in the locker room. Tim Hardaway and Trey Burke have been responsible for a huge chunk of offense, but with both struggling the Knicks still turned in a winning performance against a dangerous opponent. We got to see some players continue to trend hot and others lose steam to foul trouble, let's look more closely,
Mudiay: Emmanuel Mudiay continued his streak of the best play he's ever provided the Knicks and this time he did it without the three ball falling. I've been skeptical about that aspect of his game sticking, but couldn't be happier to see him produce without needing the jumper from range. 27 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists to 2 TO's and 4 steals for the Muddy Waters. He was hitting the ground a lot again but it didn't stop him from being effective with his interior scoring and it is refreshing as hell to see him finally drive right into a defender's body when he has space in transition. He converted 10/20 shots in spite of going 1/6 from three and as long as his midrange and finishing holds up, he can survive by taking three's more to keep a defense honest. Without dragging this too much, defensively he had a lot of good moments and most of the bad came in pick and roll situations where it's a team effort. I'll drag a pinch more, but if the free throw attempts he drew last night can stick then he's really turned the corner.
Hardaway: Tim Hardaway Jr struggled all night, but seemed cognizant enough to not force too many shots and trust guys like Trier and Mudiay to finish strong. His statline might not be pretty, but it's the little things like extra passes when his shot won't fall which separate this season from prior years in a Knick jersey. 7 points, 4 assists and a rebound from Timmy on 2/15 shooting and 1/7 from three over 36 minutes. It's a Ntilikina stat-line with was more attempts and a lot less defense. The starting backcourt was 2/13 from range and the offense still rolled, that's pretty crazy.
Hezonja: It's tough to say Mario Hezonja is providing that others couldn't replicate during this stretch of quality play but until they start losing, he's probably safe. Mario gave 19 minutes of work that translated to 1/4 from the field 2 points, 3 rebounds, an assist and 2 steals. The steals are nice but he didn't shine defensively and even on just 4 attempts he managed to force the issue a couple of times. #FreeDot
Vonleh: So our starting PG and wings combined for 2/15 from the three point line, but spacing held pretty well because Noah Vonleh spent the first half doing a KP impression. In terms of who our best two way player was, it was the reclamation problem that got the least hype when signed. Not only did Vonleh shoot 5/10 from the field including 4/7 from three point land, but he loaded the stat-line up EVERYWHERE (Gary Oldman gif style). Noah dropped 14 points, 11 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 blocks and 2 steals with just 2 TOs throughout 37 minutes. None of that even touches on how stabilizing Vonleh has been defensively. This is the PF who manages to cover a lot of wrinkles that Enes Kanter just can't on the interior and it makes Kanter a more viable piece of the puzzle for longer stretches to get his offense off without giving it back.
Kanter: Anthony Davis and Julius Randle had no answers for Kanter in the deep post. He just made it look easy against two quality players to pour in 17 points, 12 boards and 2 assists on 7/12 from the field. To top that off, his 3 blocks on the statline aren't flukey types. As the game got into the fourth, Kanter actually got those hands up to challenge some players inside with a bit of consistency that led to results. That's not to say he's past the point of being a liability on defense. Jrue Holiday's success to start both halves was predicated on attacking the picking with faith that Kanter would drop and have his hands low. But the combination of Vonleh helping and Kanter realizing a block might keep him out there in crunch time meant that Kanter's positives outweighed his negatives.
Trey: The midrange jumper wasn't falling and Burke's game is really built around that pull-up. Trey's inability to can shots meant a struggle to keep the defense off balance and muted impact in this one, but like Timmy, he didn't force a lot once he realized he didn't have it going. Burke had 7 points, 2 rebounds and 1 assist in 20 minutes; even struggling from the line at 2/4. I'm not gonna kill Burke for the 1 assist because for one, the ball was in Trier's hands a lot more than Burke's and for two, he's coming off a nice 11 dime performance. But it has been more common to see our PG rotation put up great scoring with few assists in this stretch and that's something to monitor when the efficiency dips.
Trier: Every couple of games there's an Allonzo Trier performance that leaves us all screaming "sign him long term already" and this was one of those nights. Trier scored 25 points, grabbed 8 rebounds and dished 4 assists on 9/12 shooting...more than 2 points per attempt. The kid was a perfect 3/3 from outside and continued to show off just incredible finishing in the paint. But I want to spotlight the assists. One of those came on a beautifully timed lob to Robinson for a dunk and a second came on a pick and roll drive where he anticipated traffic and threw a low bounce pass across the lane. I've mentioned that sometimes he looks like he decided to pass before a play unfolds, not last night. That could be a big step for him as a multi-layered threat to defenses.
Frank: With Frank Ntilikina firmly back at SF, we're getting plenty of defensive highlights and flashes on offense but with severely limited touches. Ntikilina had just 14 minutes to provide 5 points, 2 assists, 2 boards and 2 blocks on 1/3 shooting from the field. For limiting minutes, the production is good, especially considering that he got value out of virtually every pick and roll play that he ran. He either got the assist, drew free throws and got a decent look over his man inside on every one of those. But with Trier making something out of every touch and a second ball handler in Trey, Frank picked his spots and as usual just did not push the issue to get himself some extra attempts. That's not a good or bad thing in my book, though I'm sure many feel otherwise.
Knox: Kevin Knox ran into some foul trouble early and played limited minutes in this one, but there was a wrinkle that gave me a bit of optimism in spite of a tight stat-line. Knox had 5 points, 1 rebound and 1 block in 9 minutes on 2/6 from the field and just 1/4 from three. He picked up rookie fouls and defense is still a work in progress while he's struggled with efficiency on offense all year. That said, last night his decisions with the ball came more quickly on all but one attempt. His only 3 pointer of the night came on a catch and shoot with zero hesitation which is easy to contrast with his final three pointer of the game; a catch, wait, pump-fake, force the shot play. The snap decisions will start to translate as he's out on the floor longer, but he has to stay confident and avoid the overthinking from that last sequence.
Mitch: I think Fizdale did a great job in explaining Mitchell Robinson's foul trouble last night. A lot of players put the ball on the ground and made him chase before he could go up for the block. That got him caught with his hands low or on a defender well before he could let his shot blocking effect the play. Mitch picked up 6 fouls in just 9 minutes but also provided 5 points, 1 assist, 1 rebound and 2 blocks on 2/2 from the field (with a free throw make as well). This kid has a lot to learn still but his impact is undeniable even when he's only out there for 10 minutes instead of 25. A game like last night is the type of learning experience he's gonna need.
Fiz: Hard to be mad at David Fizdale for limiting the young guys' minutes when they mostly had foul trouble. The one decision that might be worth a look is pulling Frank for Hardaway late when the Knicks could use the stops and Timmy had no offense, but THJ held it down defensively and Trier got the mismatch so it worked out. I do think Fizdale should save Timmy's legs a bit though, this was the fifth straight game at 36 minutes or more. Fiz relied on the kids a lot more in the Boston win and other players stepped up while Hardaway struggled last night, so save that man's legs a bit for when KP comes back and we have a draft pick. Other than that, we're seeing a nice uptick in offball action on the weakside which I'm excited to go back and confirm (because I saw it happen for Knox which is something I've been hoping would happen).
About that tank: I know some heads will look at the Knicks recent performances and Zion's last highlight reel to induce a bit of panic. But I'm not really worried about it. Winning while Tim Hardaway can't score is a positive development, especially with Burke also struggling. Frank and Knox might not be stuffing the stat-sheet, but their touches are showing promising advancement. Trier and Mitch are going to build awareness and it's showing with Trier offensively while Mitch has adjusted to every new approach thrown at him so far. Then there's the fact that if Mudiay and Vonleh keep it up, we've got a real decision to make about how to use the cap room in this offseason. This all promising...the sorts of things you want to see in a rebuilding year and the schedule is brutal going forward with the bottom 5 teams all getting a good shot at the Duke Tricky Trey. Save the negativity for the next losing streak fam, just enjoy this.
Mudiay: Emmanuel Mudiay continued his streak of the best play he's ever provided the Knicks and this time he did it without the three ball falling. I've been skeptical about that aspect of his game sticking, but couldn't be happier to see him produce without needing the jumper from range. 27 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists to 2 TO's and 4 steals for the Muddy Waters. He was hitting the ground a lot again but it didn't stop him from being effective with his interior scoring and it is refreshing as hell to see him finally drive right into a defender's body when he has space in transition. He converted 10/20 shots in spite of going 1/6 from three and as long as his midrange and finishing holds up, he can survive by taking three's more to keep a defense honest. Without dragging this too much, defensively he had a lot of good moments and most of the bad came in pick and roll situations where it's a team effort. I'll drag a pinch more, but if the free throw attempts he drew last night can stick then he's really turned the corner.
Hardaway: Tim Hardaway Jr struggled all night, but seemed cognizant enough to not force too many shots and trust guys like Trier and Mudiay to finish strong. His statline might not be pretty, but it's the little things like extra passes when his shot won't fall which separate this season from prior years in a Knick jersey. 7 points, 4 assists and a rebound from Timmy on 2/15 shooting and 1/7 from three over 36 minutes. It's a Ntilikina stat-line with was more attempts and a lot less defense. The starting backcourt was 2/13 from range and the offense still rolled, that's pretty crazy.
Hezonja: It's tough to say Mario Hezonja is providing that others couldn't replicate during this stretch of quality play but until they start losing, he's probably safe. Mario gave 19 minutes of work that translated to 1/4 from the field 2 points, 3 rebounds, an assist and 2 steals. The steals are nice but he didn't shine defensively and even on just 4 attempts he managed to force the issue a couple of times. #FreeDot
Vonleh: So our starting PG and wings combined for 2/15 from the three point line, but spacing held pretty well because Noah Vonleh spent the first half doing a KP impression. In terms of who our best two way player was, it was the reclamation problem that got the least hype when signed. Not only did Vonleh shoot 5/10 from the field including 4/7 from three point land, but he loaded the stat-line up EVERYWHERE (Gary Oldman gif style). Noah dropped 14 points, 11 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 blocks and 2 steals with just 2 TOs throughout 37 minutes. None of that even touches on how stabilizing Vonleh has been defensively. This is the PF who manages to cover a lot of wrinkles that Enes Kanter just can't on the interior and it makes Kanter a more viable piece of the puzzle for longer stretches to get his offense off without giving it back.
Kanter: Anthony Davis and Julius Randle had no answers for Kanter in the deep post. He just made it look easy against two quality players to pour in 17 points, 12 boards and 2 assists on 7/12 from the field. To top that off, his 3 blocks on the statline aren't flukey types. As the game got into the fourth, Kanter actually got those hands up to challenge some players inside with a bit of consistency that led to results. That's not to say he's past the point of being a liability on defense. Jrue Holiday's success to start both halves was predicated on attacking the picking with faith that Kanter would drop and have his hands low. But the combination of Vonleh helping and Kanter realizing a block might keep him out there in crunch time meant that Kanter's positives outweighed his negatives.
Trey: The midrange jumper wasn't falling and Burke's game is really built around that pull-up. Trey's inability to can shots meant a struggle to keep the defense off balance and muted impact in this one, but like Timmy, he didn't force a lot once he realized he didn't have it going. Burke had 7 points, 2 rebounds and 1 assist in 20 minutes; even struggling from the line at 2/4. I'm not gonna kill Burke for the 1 assist because for one, the ball was in Trier's hands a lot more than Burke's and for two, he's coming off a nice 11 dime performance. But it has been more common to see our PG rotation put up great scoring with few assists in this stretch and that's something to monitor when the efficiency dips.
Trier: Every couple of games there's an Allonzo Trier performance that leaves us all screaming "sign him long term already" and this was one of those nights. Trier scored 25 points, grabbed 8 rebounds and dished 4 assists on 9/12 shooting...more than 2 points per attempt. The kid was a perfect 3/3 from outside and continued to show off just incredible finishing in the paint. But I want to spotlight the assists. One of those came on a beautifully timed lob to Robinson for a dunk and a second came on a pick and roll drive where he anticipated traffic and threw a low bounce pass across the lane. I've mentioned that sometimes he looks like he decided to pass before a play unfolds, not last night. That could be a big step for him as a multi-layered threat to defenses.
Frank: With Frank Ntilikina firmly back at SF, we're getting plenty of defensive highlights and flashes on offense but with severely limited touches. Ntikilina had just 14 minutes to provide 5 points, 2 assists, 2 boards and 2 blocks on 1/3 shooting from the field. For limiting minutes, the production is good, especially considering that he got value out of virtually every pick and roll play that he ran. He either got the assist, drew free throws and got a decent look over his man inside on every one of those. But with Trier making something out of every touch and a second ball handler in Trey, Frank picked his spots and as usual just did not push the issue to get himself some extra attempts. That's not a good or bad thing in my book, though I'm sure many feel otherwise.
Knox: Kevin Knox ran into some foul trouble early and played limited minutes in this one, but there was a wrinkle that gave me a bit of optimism in spite of a tight stat-line. Knox had 5 points, 1 rebound and 1 block in 9 minutes on 2/6 from the field and just 1/4 from three. He picked up rookie fouls and defense is still a work in progress while he's struggled with efficiency on offense all year. That said, last night his decisions with the ball came more quickly on all but one attempt. His only 3 pointer of the night came on a catch and shoot with zero hesitation which is easy to contrast with his final three pointer of the game; a catch, wait, pump-fake, force the shot play. The snap decisions will start to translate as he's out on the floor longer, but he has to stay confident and avoid the overthinking from that last sequence.
Mitch: I think Fizdale did a great job in explaining Mitchell Robinson's foul trouble last night. A lot of players put the ball on the ground and made him chase before he could go up for the block. That got him caught with his hands low or on a defender well before he could let his shot blocking effect the play. Mitch picked up 6 fouls in just 9 minutes but also provided 5 points, 1 assist, 1 rebound and 2 blocks on 2/2 from the field (with a free throw make as well). This kid has a lot to learn still but his impact is undeniable even when he's only out there for 10 minutes instead of 25. A game like last night is the type of learning experience he's gonna need.
Fiz: Hard to be mad at David Fizdale for limiting the young guys' minutes when they mostly had foul trouble. The one decision that might be worth a look is pulling Frank for Hardaway late when the Knicks could use the stops and Timmy had no offense, but THJ held it down defensively and Trier got the mismatch so it worked out. I do think Fizdale should save Timmy's legs a bit though, this was the fifth straight game at 36 minutes or more. Fiz relied on the kids a lot more in the Boston win and other players stepped up while Hardaway struggled last night, so save that man's legs a bit for when KP comes back and we have a draft pick. Other than that, we're seeing a nice uptick in offball action on the weakside which I'm excited to go back and confirm (because I saw it happen for Knox which is something I've been hoping would happen).
About that tank: I know some heads will look at the Knicks recent performances and Zion's last highlight reel to induce a bit of panic. But I'm not really worried about it. Winning while Tim Hardaway can't score is a positive development, especially with Burke also struggling. Frank and Knox might not be stuffing the stat-sheet, but their touches are showing promising advancement. Trier and Mitch are going to build awareness and it's showing with Trier offensively while Mitch has adjusted to every new approach thrown at him so far. Then there's the fact that if Mudiay and Vonleh keep it up, we've got a real decision to make about how to use the cap room in this offseason. This all promising...the sorts of things you want to see in a rebuilding year and the schedule is brutal going forward with the bottom 5 teams all getting a good shot at the Duke Tricky Trey. Save the negativity for the next losing streak fam, just enjoy this.
