Last 18/19 NY Knicks season transmission: "F*** all the haters from you to SAS" See y'all in '20

[Miles Davis]

Great write up as always.

Thread been slow for awhile now, them realities hitting hard

I just want to see us actually focus on youth, let’s get them involved. Let’s go back to square one with the schemes, let’s play d and get the ball moving. Cut back on the excess iso play.

 

[DPresidential]

. Frank and Dot might make the defense work but if they combine for 3 points on 4 attempts in a 36 minutes span then they're as one-way as Enes. .

This says it all.
I can't be upset at the Timmy's and Burke's taking scoring opportunities when these other nikkas are scared to shoot...


Knox is trying but, honestly, it would be ugly if we didn't have other scorers because him getting a green light to literally throw EVERYTHING up is not development.

I just can't wait for KP to come back honestly.

I feel a little vindicated that I've been rooting for Timmy but it's looking spooky how Frank is going.

I still have faith, though.

Knox...I love the kid, I do. I want him to be mini-Durant but his offensive decision making doesn't look like it has real coach infused purpose behind it.

I'm still on my C-Murder shyt, though; Down for my nikkas. That bring said...our rate of 3pts, our 3pt defense and lack of assists aren't promising...at all.

 

[storyteller]

This says all. you

I can't be upset at the Timmy's and Burke's taking scoring opportunities whennthese other nikkas are scared to shoot...


Knox is trying but, honestly, it would be ugly if we didn't have other scorere because him getting a green light to literally throw EVERYTHING up is not development.

I just can't wait for KP to come back honestly.

I feel a little vindicated that I've been rooting for Timmy but it's looking spooky how Frank is going.

I still have faith, though.

Knox...I love the kid, I do. I want him to be mini-Durant but his offensive decision making doesn't look like it has real coach infused purpose behind it.

I'm still on my C-Murder shyt, though; Down for my nikkas. That bring said...our rate of 3pts, our 3pt defense and lack of assists aren't promising...at all.

I don't think "scared to shoot" is even the fair diagnosis at this point. They're placed in floor spreading roles while nobody throws a kickout. Right now you kinda HAVE to create your own look because there's no additional action to what's happening on the ball. Fiz shoulda been expanding the playbook by now imo but I'm hoping that he's waiting to set his rotation before he does. There aren't any easy assists or looks being created right now unless the opposing team screws up it's pick and roll defensive rotations.

I think that playbook expansion is especially true for Knox, who is really capable of off ball motion and catch and shoot play. He should be getting pindowns and backdoor screens from the baseline just to get him some easy looks early. That could get his motor going (unfortunately I think that red flag had some credence) and also tune him in to the quality of shots that could be available with some patience and ball movement. We have the personnel to run plays out of the A-set all damned night without being predictable but right now I can flip a coin with our playbook...it's either a double screen swing pass or wing action through the pick (sometimes they mix this up by making it a handoff with the big to be fair) and that's literally all we're running. We got a choose your own adventure offense with the ball in the hands of shoot-first players and minutes being rewarded to the guys who score at the fastest pace; I think we need more structure.

 

[Bobby Lashleys eyebrows]

Someone like Rajon would've been really good for this team to help facilitate the ball.

 

[23Barrettcity]

I don't think "scared to shoot" is even the fair diagnosis at this point. They're placed in floor spreading roles while nobody throws a kickout. Right now you kinda HAVE to create your own look because there's no additional action to what's happening on the ball. Fiz shoulda been expanding the playbook by now imo but I'm hoping that he's waiting to set his rotation before he does. There aren't any easy assists or looks being created right now unless the opposing team screws up it's pick and roll defensive rotations.

I think that playbook expansion is especially true for Knox, who is really capable of off ball motion and catch and shoot play. He should be getting pindowns and backdoor screens from the baseline just to get him some easy looks early. That could get his motor going (unfortunately I think that red flag had some credence) and also tune him in to the quality of shots that could be available with some patience and ball movement. We have the personnel to run plays out of the A-set all damned night without being predictable but right now I can flip a coin with our playbook...it's either a double screen swing pass or wing action through the pick (sometimes they mix this up by making it a handoff with the big to be fair) and that's literally all we're running. We got a choose your own adventure offense with the ball in the hands of shoot-first players and minutes being rewarded to the guys who score at the fastest pace; I think we need more structure.

At this point I feel like a lot of what fitz sAid was lip service , he seems to flip flop rotations and seems to hold frank /kanter more accountable than say Burke mudiay or Timmy when they screw up . I think I’d like to see a frank Timmy Knox vonleh and Mitch lineup try and start the game consistently . May not be the most scoring but I think they can maybe stop us being down big or giving up back to back to back baskets

 

[Miles Davis]

I don't think "scared to shoot" is even the fair diagnosis at this point. They're placed in floor spreading roles while nobody throws a kickout. Right now you kinda HAVE to create your own look because there's no additional action to what's happening on the ball. Fiz shoulda been expanding the playbook by now imo but I'm hoping that he's waiting to set his rotation before he does. There aren't any easy assists or looks being created right now unless the opposing team screws up it's pick and roll defensive rotations.

I think that playbook expansion is especially true for Knox, who is really capable of off ball motion and catch and shoot play. He should be getting pindowns and backdoor screens from the baseline just to get him some easy looks early. That could get his motor going (unfortunately I think that red flag had some credence) and also tune him in to the quality of shots that could be available with some patience and ball movement. We have the personnel to run plays out of the A-set all damned night without being predictable but right now I can flip a coin with our playbook...it's either a double screen swing pass or wing action through the pick (sometimes they mix this up by making it a handoff with the big to be fair) and that's literally all we're running. We got a choose your own adventure offense with the ball in the hands of shoot-first players and minutes being rewarded to the guys who score at the fastest pace; I think we need more structure.

Said it better than I could’ve. I think the problem is both the staff and players, but mostly the coaching. They not doing much beside letting everyone do whatever, if there’s an actual offense it don’t look like much right now. We need to put the youth in the position to succeed and it doesn’t look or feel like that’s what’s happening.

Knox, Trier and Frank need some personal mentors that are vets. They’re contracts are cheap enough that you can write off the cost of hiring mentors. But, the org should want to invest in these players as it does nothing but benefit them in the long run.

Like i said previously, Fiz looking funny but I’m not gonna condemn the man so soon.

 

[DPresidential]

I hate to call out the elephant in the room...

But, brehs... I think Knox's awkward start since coming back from injury is skewing our view on Fiz.

When Knox was out, these kids were actually keeping up w/ ALOT of teams.

I don't know what that means (also, if I'm wrong, please show me. I try to be objective.) but I'm willing to trust him even...



fukk...You know what? I feel like this team makes me flip flop on a lot of points every fukking 10 minutes. One minute I'm up on Fiz, next I'm doubting him.

 

[seemorecizzy]

the sixers play great defense, the celtics, the raptors, bucks....etc etc...I can go on and on.
all the contenders in the east play well above average defense.
I used the warriors as an example. warriors aint winning shyt giving up 130 a game to mediocre ass teams like the magic
the teams that are all winning right now are all top 10 in defensive rating...with hosts of defensive minded players.
because the rules are catered toward offense..it puts defense at a premium.

ignore the obvious positive records
several contenders in this list....and the teams not listed ...the warriors specifically are known for turning it up on that end...but they havent....which with curry being out is one of the reasons they've sputtered recently
we're not losing games cause the offense is bad
we are literally bottom 3 in the nba defensively.

kyrie said the same shyt, mayb you will take his word instead of mine
no ones playing defense in the nba anymore
and thats coming from the guy whos the best player on the number 1 defensive team lol

i dont no how long youve been watchin ball, but i have been watchin for a while and i have something to compare it too. certain big man can still get away with it, but if you are a guard you HAVE to be produce something on the offensive end. no way around it

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

The Knicks need to rebuild properly. I like Kemba Walker but he isn't the answer.

And neither is Frank Nikkalina.

 

[ikbm]

kyrie said the same shyt, mayb you will take his word instead of mine
no ones playing defense in the nba anymore
and thats coming from the guy whos the best player on the number 1 defensive team lol

i dont no how long youve been watchin ball, but i have been watchin for a while and i have something to compare it too. certain big man can still get away with it, but if you are a guard you HAVE to be produce something on the offensive end. no way around it

kyrie said the earth was flat.
I've been watching ball for multiple decades
just cause the rules are catered to more explosive offenses, and offenses have advanced and players are shooting from further and further doesnt mean defense doesnt exist
as a team its harder to play defense now compared to any era ever.....but aint no no-defense playing team winning shyt
the last champion that wasnt top 10 in drtg was the 00-01 lakers...and the years before and after that they were dominant...and shown the ability to turn up on that end
I digress. you're not clamping teams into 80 point games anymore(solely from pacing and spacing in today's game...with the rules and that 14 second shotclock rule forcing offense to happen)...but theres a clear difference in the bad and good teams on that end.
I bet you think the 80s had hard nose defenses...while they were scoring literally more points than now...without the high usage of the 3ball
I know more than the average person
I do agree frank needs more production to stay on the court...but he isnt exactly put in a position to show his best abilities
dudes an on ball pick and roll guard....thats all he's known. he needs to pick it up to be more valuable.

 

[DPresidential]

So if everyone is running just offense...









Doesn't that mean defense is even MORE of a commodity?

That would literally mean, nikkas like Frank could literally disrupt the other team's full game plan.

No one is saying scoring isn't important but, if no one is playing D other than you...you are going to succeed.

 

[ikbm]

Why is this dikkhead non-knicks fan in a knicks fan thread talking about knicks players?

 

[seemorecizzy]

kyrie said the earth was flat.
I've been watching ball for multiple decades
just cause the rules are catered to more explosive offenses, and offenses have advanced and players are shooting from further and further doesnt mean defense doesnt exist
as a team its harder to play defense now compared to any era ever.....but aint no no-defense playing team winning shyt
the last champion that wasnt top 10 in drtg was the 00-01 lakers...and the years before and after that they were dominant...and shown the ability to turn up on that end
I digress. you're not clamping teams into 80 point games anymore(solely from pacing and spacing in today's game...with the rules and that 14 second shotclock rule forcing offense to happen)...but theres a clear difference in the bad and good teams on that end.
I bet you think the 80s had hard nose defenses...while they were scoring literally more points than now...without the high usage of the 3ball
I know more than the average person
I do agree frank needs more production to stay on the court...but he isnt exactly put in a position to show his best abilities
dudes an on ball pick and roll guard....thats all he's known. he needs to pick it up to be more valuable.

lol
its harder to play defense now because of the rules, and because its no longer an priority. name me one team in the league that considers defense their first priority? they arent any. back in the day we had knicks pistons pacers etc teams dat primarily focused on defense

"advanced offense?" lmao
95 percent of nba plays start with a pick and role, a mismatch, and end with a 3. theres nothin advance about the nba offense. its extremly predictable. its a three point shootin contest

 

[seemorecizzy]

So if everyone is running just offense...









Doesn't that mean defense is even MORE of a commodity?

That would literally mean, nikkas like Frank could literally disrupt the other team's full game plan.

No one is saying scoring isn't important but, if no one is playing D other than you...you are going to succeed.

the rules dont even allow for defense to be played fam
you cant even touch your opponent
the rules are catered to offense
its a offensive league
frank isnt disrupting anyones game plan lol
hes gettin quick fouls and goin to the bench

 

[ikbm]

lol
its harder to play defense now because of the rules, and because its no longer an priority. name me one team in the league that considers defense their first priority? they arent any. back in the day we had knicks pistons pacers etc teams dat primarily focused on defense

"advanced offense?" lmao
95 percent of nba plays start with a pick and role, a mismatch, and end with a 3. theres nothin advance about the nba offense. its extremly predictable. its a three point shootin contest

if its so simple why wouldnt teams stop it. because as simple as the oldest play in the game is...it's impossible to stop if ran correctly.
trying to defend someone shooting from 26 feet away and then trying to play help defense on someone coming down the lane while respecting a shooter is almost impossible.
it's not for lack of effort. It's really fukking hard. and the good teams succeed at defense more than the bad teams.
you think everyone plays the same defense and the good teams just get lucky more than others because the teams they play just happen to miss on accident
there's a reason the 6'6-6'10 swiss knife players are en vogue. players that can be versatile and guard multiple positions and switch out regardless of a pick or not.
the game has evolved to this. and rule changes have occurred to help offense....there will be an adjustment period.
the league will not go back to the slow grind out isolation offenses of the 90s to mid 2000s.
bad defensive teams dont win shyt. thats a prevalent theme.