Last 18/19 NY Knicks season transmission: "F*** all the haters from you to SAS" See y'all in '20
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Let me take a look at this box score brb....
Frank 21 minutes 4 points 2 rebound 2 assists
What's the excuse today... I know y'all got one..
We’ll probably get some 20 minute blog video telling us this was actually the greatest performance from a PG in NBA history (but that we’re not just smart enough to understand why).
Ironman
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This threads officially annoying 
storyteller
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Let me take a look at this box score brb....
Frank 21 minutes 4 points 2 rebound 2 assists
What's the excuse today... I know y'all got one..
The low scoring was just plain poor shooting. The low assists is because Fiz made the second unit run through Trier and Hezonja as much or more than Frank, hence those two combining for 7/19 from the field, 3 assists and 7 TO's.
This threads officially annoying
It's a bit frustrating to watch heads so preoccupied with Frank that they miss the rest of the team's struggles. I assume that's what you mean.
I had zero expectations for guys like Trier, Mario, Mudiay...but I did expect our lottery pick point guard to step up in his 2nd year. He has not so far, and deserves to get called out for it. Don’t think anybody is looking to get rid of him or give up on him, but gotdayum you could build some new affordable housing with all these Frank bricks...
storyteller
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If the entire team is struggling, I don't understand looking at one player and saying "but this guy...he's gotta be above the trash play of everyone around him." That's not how this works, especially considering Frank's on his third role change in 15 games. Frank isn't the reason the chemistry is off and it's completely unfair to expect that be the one player that's not effected by problems hitting every other player. Dot, Tim, Trier and Vonleh have all fallen off performance wise at the same time; it's not like Frank is an outlier and expecting him to be when he's a 20 year old project being asked to do different things every 5 games is setting yourself up for disappointment.
I can’t blame team chemistry for him missing so many wide open shots.
storyteller
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Sure he's missing jumpers but yall want him to be aggressive right? Because he's taking those shots without hesitation now and that's a legitimate step up from last season. Is it enough to suit your expectations? Obviously not, but he's gonna have to keep taking them to start making them. That also doesn't acknowledge that our PnR defense doesn't function with any of our other guards on the ball handler (and with Kanter out there even Frank struggles a bit but it's night and day) or that Frank's creation in the pick and roll has visibly gotten better. It's not that he hasn't improved areas of his game, it's that his scoring hasn't kept up with his improvement elsewhere.
BornStar
Marathon Continues
So we are just going to allow our man's to get double suplex armbarred right in front of our face
Vonleh do something besides pray to Allah.
Frank it happened right in front of you do something.. its the LEAST you can do.
Vonleh do something besides pray to Allah.
Frank it happened right in front of you do something.. its the LEAST you can do.
seemorecizzy
Superstar
the entire team gets criticized tho
when we criticize tim, kanter, trier etc, no one really cares.
when frank gets criticism, a lot of ppl in here are overprotective of him for some reason and come with advanced stats and breakdown videos
gotta treat dat dude like we treat every other player
storyteller
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Nah, I don't agree with that. Trier and others don't get close to same amount of hate than Frank does on this board. Tim and Kanter do, but they also cost us more than 3 times what Frank does with 3 times as many years in the NBA. The 20 year old kid who was drafted to be a project and who plays the best defense on the team shouldn't be catching the same heat as the two highest played players on the roster or if you want to make the case that he should be then Knox's play yesterday left a lot to be desired both from a defensive motor and shot selection perspective; Trier has had more assists than TO's just twice in fifteen games; Dot's failed to break five points in 3 of his last four games with the one game above at 11 points off of FIFTEEN attempts.
And I'm not bringing that ish up to harp on it or throw any of those cats under the bus. They NEED the time and development, but it's nice that we look past their struggles and point to the positives in their games first and foremost. Knox is already getting wherever he wants on the floor and can get his shot off virtually any time; so we can wait while he learns to make better decisions. Trier is a microwave so we don't sweat the TO's or passing woes because he's gotta learn to deal with defensive pressure. Dot's contributions on defense and the boards helps cover for games where his offense isn't coming as naturally.
With Frank it's a whole different game, the critiques are either completely negative or used to dismiss his positive contributions instead of the other way around. Frank gets defended using impact measures and video breakdowns because we got haters from other teams feeling welcome to come in and clown him for daps while NOBODY else is catching that kinda shade. Let's not get it twisted, he played five minutes against Orlando and was the biggest receiver of hate on the team when they got smoked with him completely off the floor. That's not the same energy, it's exaggerated and my sense is it relates partially to people hating Phil Jackson and also to frustration that his contributions aren't as easy to measure as points or rebounds...but if points and rebounds told the whole story than Enes Kanter would be everyone's favorite player.
seemorecizzy
Superstar
you lookin too much into it fam
after he got his first 2 starts, the reaction in here was all positive. i dont think theres an agenda against him outside of a few posters. we not askin him to play like doncic, we just tired of him playing scared. thats not something that should need to be taught.
looks like fitz is tired of it too
Miles Davis
Prince of Darkness
It seems like some people want him to be everything. The expectations are ridiculous.
storyteller
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I'm cool with wanting Frank to be more aggressive.. Frank's shooting like trash and needs to tell Fiz he wants the ball instead of saying that he'll try to fit in however Fiz wants him to for damned sure. My issue is that nothing Frank does will fix the spacing on the court or the team defense or the stagnant offense. His shot attempts are up, he's not passing the open ones up any more and he's good in the pick and roll but we don't run straight PnR offense or have floor spacing to accommodate it. There's a lot contributing to his struggles but I guarantee the tune would change if his three pointer falls even slightly more than it has because he's taking shots he wouldn't have last year.
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