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Vonleh's ball handling been one of the most impressive parts of his game. He can bring the ball up real fluid, he was more of a combo forward at Indiana so that explains that.

Bro can rebound the fukk out the ball, ripped, athletic, great motor. He can pass, been a really good switchable defender think he's benefitting from playing the 5 this season. He's even hit some threes, the form looks good, hope he can keep it up my goal for him would be one make per game. He's looking great as our reclamation project.

Hezonja still showing flashes, he was kinda of a Luka Doncic before Luka Doncic he just needs to focus on playing under control. We looking to mold some valid role players.

Mudiay is a dub :camby:
 

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I know getting that close only to lose hurts, but watching the youngest team in the league drag another playoff team into a dogfight is more sweet than bitter. The Pacers has Oladipo, the Knicks didn’t have KP. The game itself was neck and neck from start to finish with promising signs from a slew of players. A physical, defensive minded team went at the kids and they never backed down. We’ve witnessed teams of vets fold mentally under those circumstances in the past. It might not be clear yet, but the knicks feel like they’re on to something and it’d be a shame to let close losses to quality teams ruin that.

Frank: Frank’s jumper abandoned him and the Pacers collapsed their defense to shut down his offense. He still managed to get into the lane on many of his touches and find players for assists while his defense anchored a great team effort from the starters. 2/8 from the field and 0/2 from three point land, but Frank contributed 4 points, 7 assists (two more gimmes were missed by teammates too), 1 steal and just 2 TO's in 33 minutes. He HAS to get some more points on the board in that time, but there were some really promising signs in his game. First and foremost, he found his ways to get into the lane against a defense that he couldn't keep honest with his jumper and once he got in the paint; he was able to find his big men consistently. On multiple occasions the Pacers forced Frank left and he responded with much improved comfort using that left hand. Defensively, he continues to anchor the entire team and that starting unit is really starting to show promise as the miscommunications have been reduced. Ntilikina's a work in progress, no doubt, but if he starts to find consistency with his jumper and getting into the lane...

THJ: Tim Hardaway knocked down a long catch and shoot three to start the game and was on fire the rest of the way. His off the dribble jumpers were falling and he was unconscious from three point land. 37 points off 10/19 from the field, 7/11 from three and 10/10 from the free throw line. He was the picture of efficiency as a scorer. Now the rest of his statline isn't nearly as pretty. He only added 1 rebound and 1 assist to 5 TO's that included two times he just got his pocket picked by Oladipo during their fourth quarter duel. That's a lot easier to forgive because of how crucial he was to our offense. The Pacers played REALLY strong defense and they run out bigs that can hurt a team with weak spacing like ours. This led to a lot of situations where the shot clock ran low and somebody had to create. Surrounded by 23 and under players, Timmy stepped up and made a LOT of plays. I'm not sure I can really blame him for how the closing minutes went. I get the feeling late in games that Fiz isn't ready to trust the kids thanks to substitution habits and last night's ISO-THJ conclusion...so I'm giving Tim a pass for fading late against one of the top 5 SG's in the league, with no semblance of serious plays being run. But let's keep an eye on it.

Dotson: Dot started the game 1/4 and struggling to hit even an open look. Then as the game got tight and the team needed buckets, he just started to make play after play. Damyean Dotson pumped in 13 points, 3 rebounds, an assist and a steal that led to an and-one with some foul trouble for Sabonis on the side. He went from 1/4 early to 5/11 closing and added another 2/4 from three point land. His defense was good enough that Breen kept bringing up how Dotson's motor wasn't going away regardless of those early offensive struggles. Most importantly, what Dot's doing feels sustainable. His shooting touch got him drafted, his defense is just plain good and the scoring will stick as long as he's willing to attack. The kid has shown that he belongs and the question now is "how much can he improve?" I think the answer is more than most would expect, feel free to ask if you want more on this viewpoint.

Vonleh: As great as THJ was last night, Noah Vonleh was my favorite player. That's because his defensive presence was massive. At one point, Myles Turner made consecutive baskets off of Pick and Rolls that forced switches. The next time down when the switch came, you could hear Vonleh SCREAMING for an extra switch so that he could guard Turner. Vonleh came over, played post defense and knocked the ball off of Turner's leg and out of bounds. On another occasion; he blocked a shot, rebounded it, dribbled the ball up the court to push pace and found Hardaway open for a three pointer. He did EVERYTHING. 4/6 from the field, 1/2 from three (yep he's starting to shoot too) which translated to 14 points, 10 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals and 3 blocks. It's impossible to exaggerate how fun he is to watch on defense; chasing guards on a switch or shutting down bigs in the post. Now it wasn't a perfect night, he also had 5 TO's with that preseason offensive foul bug rearing it's head. But at this early point in the season Vonleh has been a revelation from his work at the top of the key with our guards to his defense in all situations...and also it feels like he dunks on at least one guy a game in spite of low FGAs.

Mitch: So Mitch didn't give us any scoring but his presence was still clear as day. At one point he defended three consecutive jump shot attempts, blocking one from Myles Turner and forcing misses on all of 'em. Sheed's apprentice added 4 boards and 2 blocks while missing his only 3 attempts in an 18 minute run. He's still getting his legs under him and plays so intense that you can see him gassed fairly quickly, but the results of his time out there are hard to deny. I didn't count, but Vonleh reaped a lot of benefit from rebounding shots that Mitch had challenged when Pacers attacked (like the three I mentioned before). He did the NBA Street 2 "hold both shoulder buttons down" block too, grabbing a shot he blocked like it was a damned rebound. I'm just waiting for his cardio to improve and for his PnR footwork to gain some consistency. He's still bypassing his mistakes off pure athleticism and effort, but his impact will be even more pronounced when he masters the details.

Burke: I think Burke got a bit of a raw deal last night as he let a lot of the guys around him take isolations or attack possessions and just never established the rhythm you need to be an impact scorer. 2/5 from the field for 6 points and 2 assists without a TO for Trey. I'm giving him a mulligan on the PnR defense last night too because none of our defenders were particularly good in that area while the personnel around him just does not help in any way defensively. It was an uneventful 14 minutes but that's better than forcing the issue.

Allonzo: Allonzo Trier was in full Iso-Zo mode last night, scoring with great efficiency and snaking into the lane around the Pacers' many big men. Trier was 6/7 from the field, 2/2 from three for 14 points, 3 boards, 1 assist and a block. Let's not linger on what we already know about and point out a few stand out bits. This was only the second time that Zo has made multiple three's in a game and only the third time he's even attempted multiple three pointers. I'd like to see him look for that three ball a bit more and force defenders to find him further from the basket...he's already hard to stop going North to South so that additional space between the defender and his help ought to let Trier be even more crafty. Trier also stood out for a few very nice defensive stands against a tricky scorer in his own right, Tyreke Evans. Having this rookie's defense develop into a strength will be huge because he's already got that whole scoring thing figured out.

Lance: Lance had a nice drive for an and-one as soon as he came into the game and spent the next 15 minutes unable to put the ball in the hoop or log much in the way of measurables. He put up 3 points and 2 steals in 16 minutes on 1/4 from the field including a missed corner three that was wide open late and would have tied the game. That miss stood out and may have made a pedestrian performance just look terrible. The Knicks leaned on him late to sure up the defense at the 4 slot and he did a commendable job but being unable to impact the game anywhere else while just being commendable...it was a step back in the facepalm direction. His defense and leadership has value but he has to either make those assets big enough to make their impact felt throughout his time on the floor or he needs to make his damned open looks...should do both, but beggars can't be choosers here and I'll take one.

Mario: There was this brief moment after Sabonis had torched the front court in the first quarter, where Mario looked locked in and hungry. He had some nice defensive moments, a coast to coast attack and grabbed some boards...but that bit of time was sandwiched between an atrocious first quarter defensively and out of control play after. 3 points, 7 rebounds and 2 TO's in 13 minutes from Mario that were frustrating because we saw glimpses of the tools he has but it never came together. Making just 1 of 5 attempts is no way to stay on the floor.

Kanter: Kanter tends to struggle with bigger bodied defenders and if you couple offensive struggles with his defensive struggles then that's a recipe for Knicks twitter to scream "off with his head" like a slept on Big Pun track. Kanter was unusually inefficient with 3/11 from the field for 7 points, 6 boards and 2 assists to 2 TO's in 21 minutes. Everyone is focused on Domantas Sabonis dropping 30 points on 12/12 from the field predominantly in pick and roll attacks against Kanter, so you've probably heard enough about that. If Kanter's on an island as the only big, these sorts of things can happen...especially against someone as talented as Sabonis has become. More importantly, if his defensive effort is going to wane like that then I don't think he should be getting 11 takes on the other end while we have isolation players like Burke and Zo out there. If he was making them it'd be one thing, but everyone should recognize when he's up against two bigs on the other end...it's a mismatch in the wrong direction and we don't need to force that. Either way, this was the first time I really felt frustrated about his effort so far. I think part of that was more personnel and confusion related against a tough PnR attack. But if that becomes habitual then Mitch needs to get the cardio up FAST.

Fiz: The mixed bag that is Fiz coaching has really come down to mostly positive developments that get overshadowed by a handful of bad choices late. This game was no different in that aspect. I think Fiz left Kanter against Domantas for too damned long and the stat sheet doesn't even show how pronounced this was. Noah Vonleh matched with Domantas a few times late and was WAY more effective. Lance was out there too long late as well imo, but again, the missed corner three could be painting this in a worse light. Last on the negative tip, can we PLEASE make a shift to having Frank defend the player that's taking over in the fourth quarter. I love that Timmy is accepting the challenge but he's the weakest perimeter defender in the starting unit; we have a potential shutdown guard who could use the lessons that come with guarding elite scorers late; and Tim's shouldering too much offensive burden to expect to stop great scorers 45 minutes into the game. But let me add the positives to all of this. Our two sophomores that got no love last year logged 65 minutes combined in a neck and neck battle. When the team needed an extra scorer late, Fiz trusted the rookie Trier and Zo made a play almost immediately. There's a lot to be said about this team not folding in a physical game if only because so many previous rosters have had meltdowns over missed calls and high pressure defense. I'm not sure what to think of the unimaginative offense late in games, especially when Fiz says the team didn't execute the plays he drew up. Late game execution is something to watch but it's also one we probably should give Fiz some leeway and time on. He's gotta figure out what works and doesn't; he's got an extremely young team that hasn't been in these situations before; and he's missing that go-to player that has created separation in games like Milwaukee and last night. The in-game stuff has had a hit or miss feel, but the overall direction of the team and efficacy of rotations has been steadily improving. Add the fact that our young cats are showing sincere growth in their mindsets, decision making and defense...it's hard for me to be too mad right now.

Visualize This: This hit me while watching Noah Vonleh in the first half last night. The offense tends to start plays with the ball handler heading for a wing and then swinging the ball to Vonleh who can hand it off or keep swinging it and set a screen. This means Noah's getting a lot of touches and a ton of action even off the ball. The big man has been really good here, making use of every option he has from passing to attacking off the dribble to even some shots last night. Now think about who that role is actually designed for with this franchise...KP is going to EAT in that role. I'm telling you, go through the Vonleh highlights or watch the first half again and just picture KP in that role. I can already picture it and while it feels far away, that means that the players around KP will be even more comfortable executing around him. I think this will be the foundation...and also I already want to re-sign Vonleh.
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I've learned from my defending of polarizing players from yesteryear...:hubie:

I am going to make a point to not even lurk RealGM & reddit's Knicks pages...brehs over there are honestly still saying that Timmy's contract is still a WOAT contract signing in basketball.:mindblown:

Wow, it's fascinating just how biased people can be. :what:
 

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I don't wanna hear nothing that boy Dot solidified his spot on the squad :birdman:. My son really plays on both sides of the court. And that nikka Kanter need to stop getting OD emotional it just leads to him making some dumbass mistakes:upsetfavre:

We need that emotion on our team. Besides the time when he broke his hand slapping the chair.:mjlol:


He's the goon on the Knicks squad
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Someone who I never gave shine but comes to play is Vonleh. Bigg ups to him. He comes thru , does his dirty work quietly then keeps it moving.
 

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Could you imagine him on this roster?

:picard:

Could you imagine Fiz trying to get him to commit to defense?

And I'm not knocking him, in a general sense.

He definitely has a place in the NBA...but he would not be compatible with what we are trying to do.

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He’s secure. Not matter who we draft and sign he’s at worst the back up power forward. It’s Trey Burke that i think won’t have a spot. If we sign a player, we might have TOO many guys to play next season. (Good problem) If we sign KD for example, the starting lineup looks something like Frank, Tim, Knox, Durant, KP
Now, I’d like the bench to be Trier, Dot, 19 Draft Pick, Vonleh and Mitch. That leaves very few minutes for Trey Burke. I think Trier projects to be a better defender and more effective scorer than Burke due to his size.

Yeah I like what I see from Trier and I agree about Burke being the odd man out. But maybe this forces Trey to step his game up too.

That lineup would be sick.
 

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Vonleh's ball handling been one of the most impressive parts of his game. He can bring the ball up real fluid, he was more of a combo forward at Indiana so that explains that.

Bro can rebound the fukk out the ball, ripped, athletic, great motor. He can pass, been a really good switchable defender think he's benefitting from playing the 5 this season. He's even hit some threes, the form looks good, hope he can keep it up my goal for him would be one make per game. He's looking great as our reclamation project.

Hezonja still showing flashes, he was kinda of a Luka Doncic before Luka Doncic he just needs to focus on playing under control. We looking to mold some valid role players.

Mudiay is a dub :camby:

Is Noah everything the other Noah was supposed to be plus offense?

I can't believe out of all of the players we have on this team, Noah is the one that I'm actually the most intrigued about. And that's saying ALOT.
 
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