Lamar Jackson >>>> Joe Burrow

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

For whatever reason....

If you're wondering why Jackson brings out the sensitivity of some posters, it's pretty obvious.
A lot of Jackson's criticism centers around anti-black racism tropes on the black QB, and people trying to justify their pre-draft evaluation of Lamar, and non-football or stupid takes.

I don't nor have ever paid attention to the reasons why the criticism is levied towards him.

QBs can improve as passer just as NBA players can improve as shooters. I've said that quite a few times in the Scoot Henderson thread when cats bring up his broken jumper. Jackson has improved as a passer just like Allen did. If anything, the media and namely ESPN defend him quite a bit or don't even bring him up at all compared to other QBs.

The one thing about him I won't take back is that I don't think he's worth a fully guaranteed deal. Granted, I don't any other QB outside of Mahomes is either. In fact the onus should have been on Mahomes to argue for the fully guaranteed deal for his peers as he had leverage more than any other QB outside of Watson.

He got bad advice from the NFLPA and his fellow NFL peers knowing damn well they weren't to stand beside him in arguing for a fully guaranteed deal, which hurt his leverage in the end. I will always believe he asked because Demaurice Smith and his fellow NFL peers alluded to him doing so.

 

[Rekkapryde]

That’s not going to happen as the money just isn’t going to there to do so unless he takes a paycut

exact reason why they shouldn't have let QB salaries get out of control. One man taking up almost a quarter of the hard cap in the ultimate team sport is stupid.

 

[Blessings]

I don't nor have ever paid attention to the reasons why the criticism is levied towards him.

QBs can improve as passer just as NBA players can improve as shooters. I've said that quite a few times in the Scoot Henderson thread when cats bring up his broken jumper. Jackson has improved as a passer just like Allen did.

The one thing about him I won't take back is that I don't think he's worth a fully guaranteed deal. Granted, I don't any other QB outside of Mahomes is either. In fact the onus should have been on Mahomes to argue for the fully guaranteed deal for his peers as he had leverage more than any other QB outside of Watson.

He got bad advice from the NFLPA and his fellow NFL peers knowing damn well they weren't to stand beside him in arguing for a fully guaranteed deal, which hurt his leverage in the end. I will always believe he asked because Demaurice Smith and his fellow NFL peers alluded to him doing so.

You're saying that now that he has an improved WR core. Josh Allen was average prior to Diggs joining the Bills.

I seen Lamar throw guys open, throw dots, solid timing and anticipatory skills throwing prior to this season. Along with high pocket awareness, quick feet, and being elusive. The same injury Lawrence suffered vs the Bengals, Lamar could've suffered the same fate at least 3-4x's during the season had he not made some crazy play in the pocket leading to TDs and 2PT conversions. That's one of the few components of a QB being explosive.

The things Lamar is doing on the football field no other QB besides maybe Mahomes/Allen can do them (but not as consistently - both players have their own bag as well).

NFL free agent contract renewals precedent for the top guys in their positions have been "next man up". The onus will always be on the top QBs. During negotiations with the Ravens, Lamar and his team understood they were competing with the NFL media/every other NFL owner.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

You're saying that now that he has an improved WR core. Josh Allen was average prior to Diggs joining the Bills.

I seen Lamar throw guys open, throw dots, solid timing and anticipatory skills throwing prior to this season. Along with high pocket awareness, quick feet, and being elusive. The same injury Lawrence suffered vs the Bengals, Lamar could've suffered the same fate at least 3-4x's during the season had he not made some crazy play in the pocket leading to TDs and 2PT conversions. That's one of the few components of a QB being explosive.

The things Lamar is doing on the football field no other QB besides maybe Mahomes/Allen can do them (but not as consistently - both players have their own bag as well).

NFL free agent contract renewals precedent for the top guys in their positions have been "next man up". The onus will always be on the top QBs. During negotiations with the Ravens, Lamar and his team understood they were competing with the NFL media/every other NFL owner.

I criticized their WR core earlier in the season namely OBJ in particular. I still don't think that he's a #1 receiver anymore or at least consistently even though people have tried arguing otherwise for years. You can improve as a passer without having elite weapons.

The onus should have been on Mahomes to do it for his peers just like MLB had the expectation of Ohtani to do it and how Trout got critized when he didn't do it. He did the NFL owners a favor by not going for a fully guaranteed deals and in turn hurt the guys that came after him. Even Wilson IMO should have milked the Broncos for more than he did when he had the chance to do so with him having the leverage to do so.

 

[Blessings]

I criticized their WR core earlier in the season namely OBJ in particular. I still don't think that he's a #1 receiver anymore or at least consistently even though people have tried arguing otherwise for years. You can improve as a passer without having elite weapons.

The onus should have been on Mahomes to do it for his peers just like MLB had the expectation of Ohtani to do it and how Trout got critized when he didn't do it. He did the NFL owners a favor by not going for a fully guaranteed deals and in turn hurt the guys that came after him. Even Wilson IMO should have milked the Broncos for more than he did when he had the chance to do so with him having the leverage to do so.

OBJ and Zay are solid #2s, Batemane is not consistent enough. When healthy should be enough for the Ravens to make a playoff run. But there’s a large gap between an
-Elite WR1(Hill, Jefferson, Chase, AJ Brown, Diggs, Adams, Deebo, Lamb) and
-Solid WR1(Amon-Ra, DJ Moore, Evans, Olave, G Wilson, Pittman, Metcalf, Kupp, Higgins, McLaurin, London, Sutton)

And WR2s like OBJ/Zay/Batemane
Zay, Addison, and Puka can be those guys in the solid WR1 category


Which is why it’s crazy for fans to criticize Lamar for doing what’s best for players.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

OBJ and Zay are solid #2s, Batemane is not consistent enough. When healthy should be enough for the Ravens to make a playoff run. But there’s a large gap between an
-Elite WR1(Hill, Jefferson, Chase, AJ Brown, Diggs, Adams, Deebo, Lamb) and
-Solid WR1(Amon-Ra, DJ Moore, Evans, Olave, G Wilson, Pittman, Metcalf, Kupp, Higgins, McLaurin, London, Sutton)

And WR2s like OBJ/Zay/Batemane
Zay, Addison, and Puka can be those guys in the solid WR1 category


Which is why it’s crazy for fans to criticize Lamar for doing what’s best for players.

I poke fun of OBJ in general because of how he tried to swindle teams last season in clamoring a multi year deal and showing up to Dallas games knowing that he couldn't even pass a physical. I also think people still (or at least did until this season) think of him as what he was and not what he is now.

I stand corrected in saying that he was washed, but I still don't believe that he's a #1 receiver like people previously tried to argue.

 

[Blessings]

I poke fun of OBJ in general because of how he tried to swindle teams last season in clamoring a multi year deal and showing up to Dallas games knowing that he couldn't even pass a physical. I also think people still (or at least did until this season) think of him as what he was and not what he is now.

I stand corrected in saying that he was washed, but I still don't believe that he's a #1 receiver like people previously tried to argue.

The fantasy community and Ravens fans understand after the excessive amount of injuries OBJ as great as he's playing now isn't the WR he was once. Without the injuries, he could've been top10 of all time

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

The fantasy community and Ravens fans understand after the excessive amount of injuries OBJ as great as he's playing now isn't the WR he was once. Without the injuries, he could've been top10 of all time

That's hindsight though because that's not what people and the media were saying in the offseason and last year. You posters on this site and even people Kimberly A Martin pissed that Dallas leaked out that he could pass a physical eventhough he tried to dupe teams into giving him a contract without it.

 

[Blessings]

That's hindsight though because that's not what people and the media were saying in the offseason and last year. You posters on this site and even people Kimberly A Martin pissed that Dallas leaked out that he could pass a physical eventhough he tried to dupe teams into giving him a contract without it.

That's not even in hindsight. Even from a fantasy football perspective, no one was expecting much from OBJ.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

That's not even in hindsight. Even from a fantasy football perspective, no one was expecting much from OBJ.

Do we need to pull up the receipt from the media and posters on this site who hyped him up in the offseason? Let's not have revionist history about it and I'm not talking about from a fantasy football perspective.

I'm strictly talking about the media namely ESPN and posters on this iste.

 

[Blessings]

Do we need to pull up the receipt from the media and posters on this site who hyped him up in the offseason? Let's not have revionist history about it and I'm not talking about from a fantasy football perspective.

I'm strictly talking about the media namely ESPN and posters on this iste.

I personally don't care, you can pull it up.

 

[2legit]

Browning looks nice with the elite weapons that Burrow has. None of the Ravens backup QB's looked this good when Lamar was injured.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Browning looks nice with the elite weapons that Burrow has. None of the Ravens backup QB's looked this good when Lamar was injured.

Be a below average team for years like the Bengals were and the Ravens would potentially be able to get those elite weapons as well.

Besides Baltimore had the chance to both Higgins and Boyd (twice).

 

[xXMASHERXx]

Browning looks nice with the elite weapons that Burrow has. None of the Ravens backup QB's looked this good when Lamar was injured.

This is why sport talk is so terrible. Who did Browning beat in those games? Burrow wasn't healthy to start the season but when he finally started to look like himself again, he beat the Seahawk, 9ers, and Bills. And he nearly beat the Texans and Ravens right after that. That's why I never liked this thread cause Burrow is not the QB that people should have issue with.

 

[2legit]

This is why sport talk is so terrible. Who did Browning beat in those games?

Every game Browning has played has been against a team over .500. He has 3 wins vs. teams that would make the playoffs if the season ended today.