Lakers turn down offers from T-wolves and Raptors for Gasol

[tremonthustler1]

For the same reasons the Lakers don't.

GM's want expiring contracts so they can get rid of the long term contracts they already have on their books. The Bulls GM would love to trade Boozer for him. The Knicks GM would love to trade Amare for him. But just about any other GM would have to be an idiot to get involved.

For the Minny and Toronto deals, there is no long term savings offered by these moves.

Between Pau and AK they'd have about $30 mil in expirings next year. The problem is that free cap space is about as useful to that team as a beach house in Antarctica.

If you told me after next year we'd get Gortat as a free agent, I'd think about it, but in a free agent competition between us and 29 teams, we can't compete.

T'wolves don't have bad contracts on the roster at the moment.

 

[Nick Barnes]

Y'all say this but when the Lakers make these deals and end up with the best player you wanna bytch moan and cry to Stern about how unfair it is.

See( Gasol Trade, Dwight trade, Ramon sessions trade )

Not true, I didnt have a problem with any trade the Lakers made. Hell, I actually wanted CP3 to go to them too.

Its just when some of you guys get to playing GM and making up all these ridiculous trade scenarios or free agent pick ups I cant help but laugh.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

damn Lakers going to trade Hill for Love way y'all be rigging trades

Trade? Naw, we signing that nikka and Sabo [Future]straight up[/Future]

 

[Ritzy Sharon]

Bargs/Jose to LA

Gasol/Koufus to Minny

Wilson Chandler/AR15 to Toronto

Pek to Denver.

:kennyjihad:

 

[kingofnyc]

@tremonthustler

What you saying breh?

tre on suicide watch

 

[humble Hermit]

Lakers are stupid

 

[Bilz]

Between Pau and AK they'd have about $30 mil in expirings next year. The problem is that free cap space is about as useful to that team as a beach house in Antarctica.

If you told me after next year we'd get Gortat as a free agent, I'd think about it, but in a free agent competition between us and 29 teams, we can't compete.

T'wolves don't have bad contracts on the roster at the moment.

And thats the problem, since they have no bad longterm deals to unload, it makes no sense. The deals they'd be sending out to match salaries would also be expiring soon so they'd have just as much unusable cap space if they never touched Pau. What does Minny have against Pek anyway?

 

[tremonthustler1]

And thats the problem, since they have no bad longterm deals to unload, it makes no sense. The deals they'd be sending out to match salaries would also be expiring soon so they'd have just as much unusable cap space if they never touched Pau. What does Minny have against Pek anyway?

They don't. Hence why we're not discussing a trade that has happened. Adelman happens to like Pek a lot.

The catch with Pek is this. He's 26 and about to become an RFA. They have to decide whether he's worth potentially maxing out even though 1. he's admittedly not the most ideal fit next to Love defensively and 2. he hasn't exactly set the world on fire so far this season, so maybe he's only as good as Rubio can take him.


Not that I care to get into the minds of other Wolves fans, but right now, it's 60/40 not in favor of this. It's not as resounding as it is for me. The opposing view (and I respect it, to be honest) is this

1. Pau would be rejuvenated alongside Rubio (who the hell knows)

2. It would shut Knuckles the fukk up (not that I care what Love thinks but whatever)

3. We saw Divac and Webber put in work under Adelman. That's the vision he sees in a Gasol /Love combo. (again, logical point)

4. It's a win now team. The team won't get many chances to flip this kind of package into the talent Gasol is even if he's declining. Pek is the only piece they'd miss and they wouldn't miss it at all if Pau plays like Pau, because nobody would miss Derrick or Luke or JJ. If he plays well, maybe they'll be better than what they are and if he sucks, a lot of money will come off the cap for 2014 when all hell will break loose again in free agency, only now you'll have Adelman, Rubio, Love, and Shved there, and if you wanted to bring Pau back, you could get him back at a huge discount. (for obvious reasons I don't wanna bank on free agency and this to me is what ruins the deal).

Personally I just don't see the incentive. It doesn't guarantee playoffs. It doesn't have ANY impact on what happens with Rubio and Love. If Pau wasn't declining LA wouldn't make him available. It doesn't fix our 2 main weaknesses (SG and a shot blocker-- and that makes what Shved has done so far that much more of a godsend). Also, in addition to costing a severely injured team depth, it would cost them the best center the team has ever had with no assurance that they can even get suitable pieces to fit around Rubio and Love in 2014. Pau's not gonna put the team over the top for a title. He wouldn't have much more of an impact than Pek would even if Pau wasn't declining.

 

[Regular_P]

Though Bargs would fit in great on offense as a complement to Dwight, he's probably worse than Gasol defensively, so that'd be a lateral move. Calderon would be a great backup/insurance point to have though.

I wonder if these teams will eventually settle on a three team deal. Something along the lines of Calderon and Derrick Williams (who I think could flourish in LA with that offense) to LA, Gasol to the Wolves, Pek to the Raptors.

No matter what happens in a potential Pau Gasol trade, I think it's gonna have to involve three teams.

 

[Regular_P]

They don't. Hence why we're not discussing a trade that has happened. Adelman happens to like Pek a lot.

The catch with Pek is this. He's 26 and about to become an RFA. They have to decide whether he's worth potentially maxing out even though 1. he's admittedly not the most ideal fit next to Love defensively and 2. he hasn't exactly set the world on fire so far this season, so maybe he's only as good as Rubio can take him.


Not that I care to get into the minds of other Wolves fans, but right now, it's 60/40 not in favor of this. It's not as resounding as it is for me. The opposing view (and I respect it, to be honest) is this

1. Pau would be rejuvenated alongside Rubio (who the hell knows)

2. It would shut Knuckles the fukk up (not that I care what Love thinks but whatever)

3. We saw Divac and Webber put in work under Adelman. That's the vision he sees in a Gasol /Love combo. (again, logical point)

4. It's a win now team. The team won't get many chances to flip this kind of package into the talent Gasol is even if he's declining. Pek is the only piece they'd miss and they wouldn't miss it at all if Pau plays like Pau, because nobody would miss Derrick or Luke or JJ. If he plays well, maybe they'll be better than what they are and if he sucks, a lot of money will come off the cap for 2014 when all hell will break loose again in free agency, only now you'll have Adelman, Rubio, Love, and Shved there, and if you wanted to bring Pau back, you could get him back at a huge discount. (for obvious reasons I don't wanna bank on free agency and this to me is what ruins the deal).

Personally I just don't see the incentive. It doesn't guarantee playoffs. It doesn't have ANY impact on what happens with Rubio and Love. If Pau wasn't declining LA wouldn't make him available. Also, in addition to costing a severely injured team depth, it would cost them the best center the team has ever had with no assurance that they can even get suitable pieces to fit around Rubio and Love in 2014. Pau's not gonna put the team over the top for a title. He wouldn't have much more of an impact than Pek would even if Pau wasn't declining.

Pau's declining, but he's also in the worst possible situation for his talents. There's just no room for him in LA with the way they're constructed and "coached."

I agree with most of what you said, but I do think Minnesota would be a better team with Gasol than Pek and Pek probably isn't a guy you want to give a max or near max deal too (see Indiana with Hibbert). It seems like with a franchise like the Wolves, they need to roll the dice and hope it pans out in the next couple years and if it doesn't, it might be time to go back to the drawing board. Just my opinion.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Pau's declining, but he's also in the worst possible situation for his talents. There's just no room for him in LA with the way they're constructed and "coached."

I agree with most of what you said, but I do think Minnesota would be a better team with Gasol than Pek and Pek probably isn't a guy you want to give a max or near max deal too (see Indiana with Hibbert). It seems like with a franchise like the Wolves, they need to roll the dice and hope it pans out in the next couple years and if it doesn't, it might be time to go back to the drawing board. Just my opinion.

Agreed, but if they're gonna take a risk, the payoff better be a possible title, not just making the playoffs, which is something they should be aiming to do now anyway. If they roll the dice and it doesn't pan out, they lose everything. They lose Adelman. They'll lose Love, and most certainly lose Rubio. As a fan, I just refuse to go through another 8 years of crap. I'd throw in the towel, as would many others. The last 8 years have been the worst 8 years I've ever had to deal with regarding a sports team. The Jets have brought me more joy than this shyt.

 

[Trojan 24]

If he plays well, maybe they'll be better than what they are and if he sucks, a lot of money will come off the cap for 2014 when all hell will break loose again in free agency, only now you'll have Adelman, Rubio, Love, and Shved there, and if you wanted to bring Pau back, you could get him back at a huge discount. (for obvious reasons I don't wanna bank on free agency and this to me is what ruins the deal).

If Pau were to still be productive and accept a 2-3 year deal at 8 Mil per year, that could be a good look if they can nab a good wing player.

 

[Malta]

I used to think Laker fans were delusional with trade ideas, then Mitch started making some of their obscenely unrealistic trade proposals happen

At this point, they could post Devin Ebanks, Jamison and a conditional 2nd rounder for Bron and I'd think it might have legs.

 

[Regular_P]

Agreed, but if they're gonna take a risk, the payoff better be a possible title, not just making the playoffs, which is something they should be aiming to do now anyway. If they roll the dice and it doesn't pan out, they lose everything. They lose Adelman. They'll lose Love, and most certainly lose Rubio. As a fan, I just refuse to go through another 8 years of crap. I'd throw in the towel, as would many others. The last 8 years have been the worst 8 years I've ever had to deal with regarding a sports team. The Jets have brought me more joy than this shyt.

If they could pry a legit 2 out of Toronto (Terrence Ross?) in a potential deal, they'd have a pretty loaded team, one that could scare/beat anybody in the West. I don't think you could ask for much more.

 

[Regular_P]

I used to think Laker fans were delusional with trade ideas, then Mitch started making some of their obscenely unrealistic trade proposals happen

At this point, they could post Devin Ebanks, Jamison and a conditional 2nd rounder for Bron and I'd think it might have legs.