Lakers offseason thread: Renovation era

[Mic-Nificent]

i can see bynum / gasol going to the eastern conf, but i cant really see (unless it's a stellar deal getting d12 or something crazy) them going anywhere in the western conf to where it could bite the lakers in the ass during a playoff but stranger shyt has happened

I'd be mad as shyt if the Lakers traded Bynum AND Pau just to get Dwight. When that shyt was being floated around at the beginning of last season I said it was stupid.

People are grossly undervaluing the Lakers bigs. The ONLY way to get proper value back for Bynum is to get Dwight. If Pau is going to be traded either another elite player needs to be coming back or a group of a very solid role player.

Pau is a consistent scorer and rebounded (one of the league leaders in double doubles), has one of the best post games in the league, and is a good play maker. The ONLY reason Pau is being shopped is because his contract is so big.

The personnel problems of with the Lakers have nothing to do with Kobe, Pau, or Bynum. It's the bum ass nikkas they surrounded them with.

 

[Mic-Nificent]

hrm..............im not too thrilled on Mo, streaky shooter, and i always felt it didnt show up when LBJ needed him with the cavs.. hrmm ya hrmm. im not too happy with that, *hopes that one doesnt happen*

he's more a SG though than a PG... so with KB24 he's just gonna ride the pines?

hrmm ya i dont like that move, hopefully that dont materialize

I actually really like that move.

Mo could actually get some serious minutes with the Lakers. I'd tell Sessions to kick rocks and start Mo at the point. He's a decent playmaker and definitely could help spread the floor in ways that sessions can't.

It can't be stressed enough how much the Lakers need someone to stretch the floor. That opens up things for Bynum, Gasol, and even Kobe.

 

[PTBG]

hrm..............im not too thrilled on Mo, streaky shooter, and i always felt it didnt show up when LBJ needed him with the cavs.. hrmm ya hrmm. im not too happy with that, *hopes that one doesnt happen*

he's more a SG though than a PG... so with KB24 he's just gonna ride the pines?

hrmm ya i dont like that move, hopefully that dont materialize

hopefully as a 6th man type of player he would be good, but as a starter hell naw the dude rode that Bron wave to the fullest but his agents and Mo wants starter minutes, but idk Sessions isn't a good shooter for the most part, even though his 3-point percentage was close to 50%, in the playoffs, the dude wasn't nowhere to be seen. so idk, if he was a 6th man good, but starter, terrible for the Lakers

 

[Lakerman0834]

I'd be mad as shyt if the Lakers traded Bynum AND Pau just to get Dwight. When that shyt was being floated around at the beginning of last season I said it was stupid.

People are grossly undervaluing the Lakers bigs. The ONLY way to get proper value back for Bynum is to get Dwight. If Pau is going to be traded either another elite player needs to be coming back or a group of a very solid role player.

Pau is a consistent scorer and rebounded (one of the league leaders in double doubles), has one of the best post games in the league, and is a good play maker. The ONLY reason Pau is being shopped is because his contract is so big.

The personnel problems of with the Lakers have nothing to do with Kobe, Pau, or Bynum. It's the bum ass nikkas they surrounded them with.

you forgot

 

[ROFL_GUY]

***notice its 7:01---- thats important

 

[aixenv]

I'd be mad as shyt if the Lakers traded Bynum AND Pau just to get Dwight. When that shyt was being floated around at the beginning of last season I said it was stupid.

People are grossly undervaluing the Lakers bigs. The ONLY way to get proper value back for Bynum is to get Dwight. If Pau is going to be traded either another elite player needs to be coming back or a group of a very solid role player.

Pau is a consistent scorer and rebounded (one of the league leaders in double doubles), has one of the best post games in the league, and is a good play maker. The ONLY reason Pau is being shopped is because his contract is so big.

The personnel problems of with the Lakers have nothing to do with Kobe, Pau, or Bynum. It's the bum ass nikkas they surrounded them with.

OK well couple of things

1) i definitely am not saying pau AND bynum for _only_ dwight, first i think this is fairytale land, i have a feeling Dwight wants no part of LA for whatever reason, at any rate, i would agree bynum for dwight is a pretty fair trade, big for big, one big wants to leave and the other big needs a jolt to get his ass to wake up(bynum)

2) i think part of the problem is kobe and is unwillingness to def somewhat and get the bigs involved, what we need to do is have 1 big and 1 athletic swingman

i just dont think this type of team can succeed with a guard who needs to dominate the ball and then TWO big men who need touches to get involved, they just cant get hot enough, sometimes bynum is playing like a man possessed and the next he's non-existent

3) plus i am not a fan of coach, or his offensive schemes, hopefully training camp in el segundo this year can pay some dividends

 

[aixenv]

I actually really like that move.

Mo could actually get some serious minutes with the Lakers. I'd tell Sessions to kick rocks and start Mo at the point. He's a decent playmaker and definitely could help spread the floor in ways that sessions can't.

It can't be stressed enough how much the Lakers need someone to stretch the floor. That opens up things for Bynum, Gasol, and even Kobe.

eh i dunno, all i can seem to recall is Mo being streaky hitting some 3s unguarded, playing good some games, and then playing crappy other games, very sporadic, im not really a fan of sessions either, some ppl say we should give him another year

what we need is a PG who dominate the ball and PASS to kobe when it's the right situation, that'd be a nash type (who probably isnt going there), cp3 woulda been perfect /sigh, he would have been able to orchestrate the show, dwill could do that too but again dont think he's coming here, sounds like he's staying put with the nets

need someone who can say Kobe ill take care of you but you have to let me pass you the ball , kobe dominating the ball at this stage is just very detrimental to our team, but unless its someone with a big enough resume they won't "stand" up to kobe

 

[Mic-Nificent]

you forgot

I'm not a huge fan of Mike Brown, but I'm giving him more of a pass this last season than most. It was a bad situation with the lockout, him introducing a new system on the fly, and not even being sure who his starters were going to be at the beginning of the season. He made some dumb mistakes (especially with his rotations), but I want to see what he can do when afforded a full training camp.

 

[Colejeezy]

All these rumors and were stuck with the same team come friday morning..

 

[aixenv]

All these rumors and were stuck with the same team come friday morning..

 

[CantStop]

All these rumors and were stuck with the same team come preseason..

fixed

not falling for this mess every year

 

[Mic-Nificent]

OK well couple of things

1) i definitely am not saying pau AND bynum for _only_ dwight, first i think this is fairytale land, i have a feeling Dwight wants no part of LA for whatever reason, at any rate, i would agree bynum for dwight is a pretty fair trade, big for big, one big wants to leave and the other big needs a jolt to get his ass to wake up(bynum)

2) i think part of the problem is kobe and is unwillingness to def somewhat and get the bigs involved, what we need to do is have 1 big and 1 athletic swingman

i just dont think this type of team can succeed with a guard who needs to dominate the ball and then TWO big men who need touches to get involved, they just cant get hot enough, sometimes bynum is playing like a man possessed and the next he's non-existent

3) plus i am not a fan of coach, or his offensive schemes, hopefully training camp in el segundo this year can pay some dividends

I think you're overstating this point a bit. Yeah, Kobe's usage rate skyrocketed this year, but when you look at this Lakers team there's NOBODY else that can create their own shot or is even remotely consistent from the perimeter. Mike Brown said before the season began he was going to be leaning on Kobe more.

Previous years Kobe had no problem getting Pau involved (hell Pau's usage rate has been the same his entire Lakers career). Pau and Bynum get their touches, they just need to make the most of them when they actually get them. There definitely were times when Kobe tried doing too much, but there were more times when Kobe tried getting everyone involved an they'd kick the ball right back to him late in the shot clock.

 

[aixenv]

I think you're overstating this point a bit. Yeah, Kobe's usage rate skyrocketed this year, but when you look at this Lakers team there's NOBODY else that can create their own shot or is even remotely consistent from the perimeter. Mike Brown said before the season began he was going to be leaning on Kobe more.

Previous years Kobe had no problem getting Pau involved (hell Pau's usage rate has been the same his entire Lakers career). Pau and Bynum get their touches, they just need to make the most of them when they actually get them. There definitely were times when Kobe tried doing too much, but there were more times when Kobe tried getting everyone involved an they'd kick the ball right back to him late in the shot clock.

i agree with that as well, there's fault on both parties, gasoft and bynum are too inconsistent to trust

kobe can create his own shot and still has 2-3 yrs left of good high level bball but he needs have people he can trust, he does not trust his current teammates (as evidenced by various interviews) and that's why he feels the need to dominate the ball

if he had people he could trust to knock shots down, it'd be a dif story

 

[Regular_P]

I still can't believe they haven't put a Bynum for Williams offer on the table for the Nets. They need someone who can create besides Kobe and it's a point guard driven league now.

After that, offer Pau to the Hawks for Josh Smith, Marvin Williams and Zaza.

I dunno what they'd give up for Mo Williams, but he'd be a great 6th man for them.

As for that rumored Beasley/Hill swap, fukk that. Hill was terrific for them and you always need one of those high energy bigs off the bench.

 

[Mic-Nificent]

i agree with that as well, there's fault on both parties, gasoft and bynum are too inconsistent to trust

kobe can create his own shot and still has 2-3 yrs left of good high level bball but he needs have people he can trust, he does not trust his current teammates (as evidenced by various interviews) and that's why he feels the need to dominate the ball

if he had people he could trust to knock shots down, it'd be a dif story

Yeah, if dudes can knock down wide open shots (which rarely happened this year) Kobe will pass to them. Blake, Sessions, and Barnes consistently missed or passed up wide open shots.

Oddly enough Kobe has consistently passed to Ron/Metta in late game situations.

Bynum is actually aggressive when he gets touches but he's not very good at passing out of double teams and when he's not motivated he wont get good position in the post.

Pau is Pau. Dude consistently has mismatches and doesn't take advantage of them. Sometimes Kobe clearly sets him up to take shots and Pau makes an extra pass that leads to a turnover.