Lakers offseason thread: Renovation era

[Bilz]

I don't remember laker fans being the loudest critics if you can back up your claim with actual posts that would be great. What I remember is that most laker fans still wanted dwight if we could get him, and laker fans didn't really care about his back issue maybe it was his bytch behavior but he's our clown center now. In addition most laker fans didn't even have nash on the radar. I don't remember anyone trashing nash about his age considering he was still top 5 productive for the pg position and last season was one of his most efficient shooting seasons of his career. His age is being overblown to be honest.

You were here, you should remember it. Lakers fans routinely shyt on Dwight and said Bynum was better than him. There was a group of realistic Lakers fans that acknowledged Dwight was far superior but I shouldn't have to remind you of the way a lot of you guys were acting.

I have always respected Nash and don't want to shyt on him just because he joined the dark side but he has become increasingly erratic and turns the ball over more than ever. He appeared to be more efficient offensively when looking at his shooting percentages but that ignores the fact that he became a lot more selective with his shots.

Against the good teams, the Lakers issues were point guard depth and defense (still suspect), pick and roll defense (should be much better with Dwight although I don't know where he'll fit in offensively), perimeter shooting (still suspect), and an excessive reliance on Kobe in crunchtime situations (that isn't changing).

 

[Lakerman0834]

Nah, I'm not even trolling on this honestly. People often use Boston as the example for teams being able to come together and win titles but they won against a Lakers team that had just come together that year as well.

The Celtics limped through those playoffs and since they eventually won, people remember a team coming together and dancing on all competition. The Heat cruised through most of the playoffs and had a shytty finals and people remember a team that had no chemistry and needed more time together.

If ariza and Bynum were healthy wed have a three peat

 

[Mic-Nificent]

If ariza and Bynum were healthy wed have a three peat

Ariza's presence wouldn't have made a difference. People forget that the next season Ariza didn't really start balling till like February.

 

[Bilz]

That's a poor example...The only addition to that team was Pau Gasol. Every other starter on that team had been there before.

Fisher had been gone for years. Bottom line, Lakers fans say they only lost that series because of lack of continuity along with injuries to Ariza/Bynum.

 

[Mic-Nificent]

Fisher had been gone for years. Bottom line, Lakers fans say they only lost that series because of lack of continuity along with injuries to Ariza/Bynum.

Fisher had been gone for years and came back to play alongside a player, for a coach, and in a system he had spent the bulk of his NBA career playing in.

That's not even remotely the same as adding a brand new player to a completley different team and environment than he was accustomed to.

 

[jfkennedy]

You were here, you should remember it. Lakers fans routinely shyt on Dwight and said Bynum was better than him. There was a group of realistic Lakers fans that acknowledged Dwight was far superior but I shouldn't have to remind you of the way a lot of you guys were acting.

I have always respected Nash and don't want to shyt on him just because he joined the dark side but he has become increasingly erratic and turns the ball over more than ever. He appeared to be more efficient offensively when looking at his shooting percentages but that ignores the fact that he became a lot more selective with his shots.

Against the good teams, the Lakers issues were point guard depth and defense (still suspect), pick and roll defense (should be much better with Dwight although I don't know where he'll fit in offensively), perimeter shooting (still suspect), and an excessive reliance on Kobe in crunchtime situations (that isn't changing).

Nash's TO numbers the past 7 years: 3.7, 3.5, 3.6, 3.4, 3.6, 3.8, 3.5

He hasn't had a huge jump in turnovers, it's been very consistent.

And then you use the fact that he's more selective, which is actually a good thing on this team since offensive opportunities aren't necessarily going to be widely available to everyone with Kobe as a no. 1 option, and then Howard & Gasol.

 

[Newzz]

17 more days to the NBA training camps open brehs.....20 days to NBA 2K13


This my GOAT franchise

 

[Bilz]

Nash's TO numbers the past 7 years: 3.7, 3.5, 3.6, 3.4, 3.6, 3.8, 3.5

He hasn't had a huge jump in turnovers, it's been very consistent.

And then you use the fact that he's more selective, which is actually a good thing on this team since offensive opportunities aren't necessarily going to be widely available to everyone with Kobe as a no. 1 option, and then Howard & Gasol.

It's only consistent because his minutes are significantly down from those other years.

 

[Bilz]

Fisher had been gone for years and came back to play alongside a player, for a coach, and in a system he had spent the bulk of his NBA career playing in.

That's not even remotely the same as adding a brand new player to a completley different team and environment than he was accustomed to.

It's not like Boston was a brand new team started from scratch. A lot of those guys had played together too.

Fisher hadn't played alongside most of the 2008 Lakers. Pau hadn't played with any of them. If you want to say the Lakers had plenty of continuity and just sucked against a brand new Celtics team with no experience, that's fine with me though

 

[IGSaint12]

It's only consistent because his minutes are significantly down from those other years.

Last season nash averaged 31.6 minutes per game and 3.7 turnovers, the season before that he average 33.3 minutes and 3.5 turnovers. His minutes has not been significantly reduced and he has been consistent with his turnover rate. We can expect with jodie meeks/steve nash and possibly barbosa to limit his minutes for this upcoming season too. So I don't know where you are getting all this speculation as if his skills are declining.

 

[Greenhornet]

you cats are derailing this fukking thread


steve nash had chemistry with fukking jared dudley ... I dont think kobe and dwight are gonna be a problem for him


>>>>> they will score 150pts one game easily

 

[IGSaint12]

you cats are derailing this fukking thread


steve nash had chemistry with fukking jared dudley ... I dont think kobe and dwight are gonna be a problem for him


>>>>> they will score 150pts one game easily

these trolls want to act like this team will have chemistry/age issues when they should really be hoping that we don't break the bulls 72-10 record. I honestly don't see this team losing more than 10 games, that's if howard is healthy at the beginning of the season.

 

[CantStop]

Tell me he ain't coming back opening night

 

[Mic-Nificent]

these trolls want to act like this team will have chemistry/age issues when they should really be hoping that we don't break the bulls 72-10 record. I honestly don't see this team losing more than 10 games, that's if howard is healthy at the beginning of the season.

two things:

1. I'm not trying to see them break that record. I want Nash and Kobe rested and ready to go come playoff time. I could give a fukk about regular season records. The Last time the team with the best record won an NBA Championship was in 08.

2. You'll likely never see a Western Conference team beat that Bulls record. Phil Jackson noted a few years ago that Eastern conference teams have a better shot at something like that because of less taxing travel schedule. Look at how close teams in the east are in comparison to teams in the West.

 

[IGSaint12]

two things:

1. I'm not trying to see them break that record. I want Nash and Kobe rested and ready to go come playoff time. I could give a fukk about regular season records. The Last time the team with the best record won an NBA Championship was in 08.

2. You'll likely never see a Western Conference team beat that Bulls record. Phil Jackson noted a few years ago that Eastern conference teams have a better shot at something like that because of less taxing travel schedule. Look at how close teams in the east are in comparison to teams in the West.

True we gotta save something in the tank come playoff time