Kyrie Irving has asked the Cavs to trade him; Lebron blindsided by trade request
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Im not even gonna watch the vids but to compare Walls numbers to Kyries, the only thing Wall is doing better is assisting.. And that's mainly because Kyrie probably has the ball in his hands for about a quarter a game dealing with cats that are just mainly there for 3 and D... If that
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Kyrie wasn't even in the league 4 years before Bron decided to team hop and try to calewalk into the east.
Kyrie had already began to establish himself as a franchise player and leader within 3 years.. Even when part of that he missed because of injuries. Dude was on the allstar team before Lebron came in and took that momentum away from him.
Now all he gets is disrepect by nikkas as dumb as yourself and you wonder why he's trying to leave
And no one needed KD.. They wanted him because of that bullshyt the league pulled in the finals. Suspending Draymond for NOTHING (this bytchass nikka crying to the media and talking about "I have kids"...) and basically made forced them back into the series.
If asteph got exposed then Lebron got exposed MULTIPLE times. They had to triple Curry off the ball, Durant and Curry damn near averaged a triple double playing less minutes, and Lebrons defense was non existent...
Not to mention dude has proved multiple times that he can't win shyt without multiple all-stars AND he can barely win with multiple all-stars
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He really is the perfect embodiment on the modern day fan who watches 12 games a season and swears they know everything.
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Kyrie going nowhere
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Someone help me to understand what's so funny? Yea you can say Bledsoe isn't a winner but Kyrie wasn't a winner either until Bron came in the picture. So wins and losses shouldn't even factor in. Kyrie is the better scorer,more clutch, has better handles and better 3 point shooter. EB is the better defender, rebounder and passer and still averages 20 pts a game.
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wall is flat out better all around but not the shooter that Kyrie is. He can score about the same, better rebounder, passer and better defender
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Imagine lebron next to John Wall
they would be unstoppable
Top of the key Delly-Lebron screen and roll, the roll man pushes up hard to cover Delly at the 3pt line, leaving an open rolling Lebron who lays it up for an easy 2
Delly-Lebron high pick and roll, defense hedges and promptly switches, leaving a rolling Lebron on a much smaller defender, able to use his strength to catch clean possession and throw the lob down
Delly Lebron high screen and roll, defense hedges, Delly threads the pass to a charging Lebron down the middle of the key, last line of defense big is caught having to respect Kevin Love in the corner, which causes the rotation and rim protection to be late
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Deeper than rapthey would be unstoppable
Top of the key Delly-Lebron screen and roll, the roll man pushes up hard to cover Delly at the 3pt line, leaving an open rolling Lebron who lays it up for an easy 2
Delly-Lebron high pick and roll, defense hedges and promptly switches, leaving a rolling Lebron on a much smaller defender, able to use his strength to catch clean possession and throw the lob down
Delly Lebron high screen and roll, defense hedges, Delly threads the pass to a charging Lebron down the middle of the key, last line of defense big is caught having to respect Kevin Love in the corner, which causes the rotation and rim protection to be late
Delly really was underrated looking back. Gave Cleveland everything they needed as a PG backup. Damn shame Cleveland couldn't pay the guy (or didnt)
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Delly really was underrated looking back. Gave Cleveland everything they needed as a PG backup. Damn shame Cleveland couldn't pay the guy (or didnt)
yup...losing delly is the reason why lebron was complaining that they needed another point guard. Dude had impact bigger than his talent.
2015-2016 season...title season
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WITH and WITHOUT LeBron James
WITH min per 48 | WITHOUT min per 48 | DIFFERENCE
Frye + 3.9 8.2 + 22.8 | - 2.1 10.7 - 9.4 | +32.2
Delly + 5.6 16.8 + 16.0 | - 0.1 9.1 - 0.5 | +16.5
Shumpert + 3.4 12.5 + 13.1 | + 0.3 12.8 + 1.1 | +11.9
Thompson + 5.6 20.7 + 13.0 | - 0.9 8.8 - 4.9 | +17.9
Love + 6.7 27.4 + 11.7 | - 0.8 6.2 - 6.2 | +17.9
Smith + 5.3 26.9 + 9.5 | - 1.0 6.3 - 7.6 | +17.1
Irving + 4.2 23.6 + 8.5 | 0.0 10.0 0.0 | + 8.5
Jefferso + 1.0 7.3 + 6.6 | - 1.3 12.7 - 4.9 | +11.5
Williams + 1.9 15.8 + 5.8 | - 2.7 6.3 -20.6 | +26.3These are outrageous numbers. The kind of difference LeBron makes is huge. Without LeBron on court, each player gets net losses across the board. With him, massive positives. The difference is staggering.
As a comparison, here are the same with-without +/- stats for the other members of the "Big 3". Or perhaps "massive 1 and biggish 2"?
Irving:
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WITH and WITHOUT Irving
WITH WITHOUT
"+/-" min per 48 "+/-" min per 48 DIFFERENCE
James + 4.2 23.6 + 8.5 | + 5.4 20.4 + 12.7 | - 4.2
Smith + 2.3 22.2 + 5.0 | + 2.5 15.8 + 7.6 | - 2.6
Thompson + 4.4 27.7 + 7.6 | + 3.9 31.5 + 5.9 | + 1.7
Love + 2.8 23.1 + 5.8 | + 3.9 17.3 +10.8 | - 5.0
Shumpert + 1.1 13.0 + 4.1 | + 2.4 12.8 + 9.0 | - 4.9
Delly + 1.4 8.8 + 7.6 | + 4.3 19.8 +10.4 | - 2.8
Frye + 0.7 9.6 + 3.5 | + 0.6 9.2 + 3.1 | + 0.4
Jeffers + 0.6 8.0 + 3.6 | - 0.9 13.3 - 3.2 | + 6.8
Willia - 1.0 3.5 -13.7 | - 1.0 17.6 - 2.7 | -11.0This doesn't paint Irving's impact on his teammates in a particularly positive light. He is getting big credit for stepping up in the Finals, but his impact based on regular season +/- is not as impressive, especially for a "superstar". Statistically, the other two of the Big 3 actually preferred when they are playing without Irving. And this applies to several others too. Dissing Irving might be a dangerous thing to do around here, so I will just say: basketball is a team game.
And Love:
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WITH and WITHOUT Love
WITH | WITHOUT |
+/- min per 48 | "+/-" min per 48 | DIFFERENCE
James + 6.7 27.4 + 11.7 | + 1.8 9.7 + 8.9 | + 2.8
Irving + 2.8 23.1 + 5.8 | + 1.4 10.5 + 6.4 | - 0.6
Smith + 3.3 23.8 + 6.7 | + 0.9 8.4 + 5.1 | + 1.5
Thompson + 4.0 16.6 + 11.6 | + 0.7 12.4 + 2.7 | + 8.9
Shumpert + 2.8 11.0 + 12.2 | + 0.8 14.4 + 2.7 | + 9.6
Delly + 4.5 14.1 + 15.3 | + 0.8 11.4 + 3.4 | + 12.0
Frye - 1.0 5.0 - 9.6 | + 1.7 15.5 + 5.3 | - 14.9
Jefferson + 0.1 7.5 + 0.6 | - 0.7 11.5 - 2.9 | + 3.6
Williams + 1.4 14.7 + 4.6 | - 2.4 7.1 -16.2 | + 20.8To honour the departing Delly, here is how the Cavs players played with and without him. Somehow Delly seems to add more value that the lesser 2 of the Big 3.
Delly:
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WITH and WITHOUT Delly
WITH | WITHOUT |
"+/-" min per 48 | "+/-" min per 48 | DIFFERENCE
James +5.6 16.8 +16.0 | +3.0 20.4 +7.1 | +8.9
Irving +1.4 8.8 +7.6 | +2.8 24.7 +5.4 | +2.2
Smith +3.2 12.6 +12.2 | +1.2 19.4 +3.0 | +9.2
Thompson +3.0 15.2 +9.5 | +1.6 13.8 +5.6 | +3.9
Love +4.5 14.1 +15.3 | +1.4 18.5 +3.6 | +11.7
Shumpert +2.3 13.9 +7.9 | +1.4 11.7 +5.7 | +2.2
Frye +0.3 10.7 +1.3 | +1.0 7.7 +6.2 | -4.9
Jeffers +0.9 10.6 +4.1 | -1.5 8.4 -8.6 | +12.6
Williams +1.8 7.3 +11.8 | -2.4 14.7 -7.8 | +19.7Rigby.
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He ain't had to be 100% breh. They had arguably the best bench ever. Another guy who dropped 60 in like 3 quarters this year. Draymond raises his offensive ability in the finals. All Steph had to do was be as mediocre as he was in game 4-6 of the 15 Finals and they probably win still. This nikka went ghost over half the series. You can't win a MVP and not be expected to be a leader of ur squad night in and night out in the postseason
Score about the same
. Kyrie averages 25 with LeBron dominating the ball. Kyrie will be a 28-31 ppg player wherever he goes
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Score about the same
they're about the same...kyrie higher usage + more shots
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