Kyrie Irving has asked the Cavs to trade him; Lebron blindsided by trade request

[Alexander The Great]

And this is why Kyrie is leaving. He wants to prove idiots like this wrong. If he keeps playing with LeBron for the rest of his prime, he'll never get the credit he feels he deserves.

Why are ya'll afraid of Kyrie going out on his own? He's not afraid to fail. Why do ya'll want him to not even try?

Maybe its because ya'll are scared he'll succeed.

I was just reading Howard beck's article on this and after the 1st few sentences, I said the same thing. this is exactly why he wants to leave.

 

[Swagnificent]

This is nonsense. Everyone acknowledges it was Kyrie outplaying Steph last year as the key for their finals win. And a Kyrie lead team is not even sniffing the playoffs let alone him winning MVP

Then why are you mad he wants to try? Ya'll are seriously a bunch of p*ssy nikkas. Kyrie thinks he can lead a team to a championship by himself. This should be commended. Especially in this p*ssy era where all the best players want to team up and play with each other. What Kyrie is doing is how the NBA should be. Stars should want their own teams where they can be the focal point that decides whether they win the chip or not. They shouldn't try and be sidekicks to guys who they are arguably better than.

 

[The G.O.D II]

Then why are you mad he wants to try? Ya'll are seriously a bunch of p*ssy nikkas. Kyrie thinks he can lead a team to a championship by himself. This should be commended. Especially in this p*ssy era where all the best players want to team up and play with each other. What Kyrie is doing is how the NBA should be. Stars should want their own teams where they can be the focal point that decides whether they win the chip or not. They shouldn't try and be sidekicks to guys who they are arguably better than.

What player has ever won a title in this league being the sole star outside Wilt and Hakeem? There's a reason why PG wants to go elsewhere. And are you saying Irving is better then Bron?

 

[Swagnificent]

I was just reading Howard beck's article on this and after the 1st few sentences, I said the same thing. this is exactly why he wants to leave.

That piece was total crap. Dude was basically telling Kyrie to be a beta male. Fukk these fakkits who are trying to pussify the NBA. I'm glad Kyrie is trying to take it back to the way it used to be. Back in the day stars tried to lead their own teams to championships rather than teaming up with other stars.

These dudes just want Kyrie to be the helpful idiot that enhances LeBron's legacy. Because there is no way Kyrie's legacy gets enhanced by winning more rings with LeBron. It only gets diminished because as LeBron's legacy increases, the idiots in the media will make his legend even more ridiculous than it already is and to do that they have to diminish everyone around him. This is exactly what has happened to Scottie Pippen the last 10-15 years. As Jordan's legacy has been enhanced post-retirement, Scottie Pippen had to be diminished.

Nothing good would come to Kyrie for playing with LeBron any longer.

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

And this is why Kyrie is leaving. He wants to prove idiots like this wrong. If he keeps playing with LeBron for the rest of his prime, he'll never get the credit he feels he deserves.

Why are ya'll afraid of Kyrie going out on his own? He's not afraid to fail. Why do ya'll want him to not even try?

Maybe its because ya'll are scared he'll succeed.

Exactly. They said kobe couldn't win without Shaq. Now look how they talking about a 19-20 year old Kyrie not being able to carry that shytty ass team as if Lebron didn't miss the playoffs his first 3 years and couldn't even sniff a finals consistently without Dwade and bosh, then took that "big 3 mentality" back to Cleveland to pick up Kevin love. All that and still 1-2 against GS and honestly should be 0-3 if it wasn't for the breakdown of the 73-9 warriors. fukk outta here

 

[Mars]

LeBron is the most selfish player in the NBA. No real superstar wants to play with someone selfish like that.

A selfish player who averagd less shots than Kyrie,and called his number in gm 7 of the finals.Kyrie doesn't hit the GW shot if Lebron was a ball hog.

 

[Swagnificent]

What player has ever won a title in this league being the sole star outside Wilt and Hakeem? There's a reason why PG wants to go elsewhere. And are you saying Irving is better then Bron?

I just meant win the title as the #1 option. As the alpha male so that when the title is won, he'll be the guy who gets the lion's share of the credit.

Kyrie Irving has a chance to be better than LeBron moving forward. Obviously if we're talking prime LeBron vs prime Kyrie, LeBron is better. But right now Kyrie is just 25 years old and entering the prime of his career while LeBron will be 33 at end of this year and is entering the back end of his career. It stands to good reason that Kyrie has a good chance to be better than LeBron moving forward. I wouldn't put it past Kyrie being a better player than LeBron as early as next year. Kyrie has generational talent. He's just not had a chance to prove it. Similar to how Russell Westbrook never quite got a chance to prove just how good he was till KD left. Kyrie probably thinks he can average 32-34 PPG by himself. Win scoring titles and MVPs.

 

[Swagnificent]

A selfish player who averagd less shots than Kyrie,and called his number in gm 7 of the finals.Kyrie doesn't hit the GW shot if Lebron was a ball hog.

Its not about shots with LeBron. Its how much he has the ball in his hands. LeBron is the most ball hungry superstar of all-time. Nobody else has the ball in his hands as much as LeBron.

He just fooled idiots like you into thinking his style of play isn't selfish because he averages 7 APG.

LeBron is mad selfish if you actually watch him play. He always wants to play his way. And he's never willing to adjust his style to anyone else. Chris Bosh and Kevin Love being the best examples. Both guys were reduced to 3-point jump shooters because LeBron needed the paint clear for his drives.

LeBron and selfish go hand in hand.

 

[Malta]

The Wiz won 72 games in Wall's first 3 years.

 

[The G.O.D II]

I just meant win the title as the #1 option. As the alpha male so that when the title is won, he'll be the guy who gets the lion's share of the credit.

Kyrie Irving has a chance to be better than LeBron moving forward. Obviously if we're talking prime LeBron vs prime Kyrie, LeBron is better. But right now Kyrie is just 25 years old and entering the prime of his career while LeBron will be 33 at end of this year and is entering the back end of his career. It stands to good reason that Kyrie has a good chance to be better than LeBron moving forward. I wouldn't put it past Kyrie being a better player than LeBron as early as next year. Kyrie has generational talent. He's just not had a chance to prove it. Similar to how Russell Westbrook never quite got a chance to prove just how good he was till KD left. Kyrie probably thinks he can average 32-34 PPG by himself. Win scoring titles and MVPs.

Unless Kyrie develops elite playmaking ability, defense, etc he will never be better then Bron. Hes doesn't even have Russ skillset.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

And whats wrong with that? Kyrie has the right to take his career any path he wants. Why is being LeBron's fukk boi the "good" route? No matter what happens in Cleveland, Kyrie is never gonna get the credit he deserves cause the media is always on Lebron's dikk. Kyrie won LeBron the ring in 2016 with that last minute shot over Steph Curry. But what did the media talk about all summer? The block by LeBron on Igoudala.

Kyrie is smart to try and be his own man. He ain't gonna get any respect being the dude that bails LeBron out of embarrassing losses.

Kyrie in June

Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal couldn't keep it together after three titles. Vince Bucci/AFP/Getty Images

These May-December relationships don't always go so well in the NBA. In a team sport that's marketed with individuals, things can become mighty cramped when egos are involved.

The most infamous tandem gone awry was Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal with the Los Angeles Lakers. Seven years apart in age, they played eight seasons together, winning three championships and playing in four Finals before it fell apart and O'Neal was traded to Miami.

While their success was undeniable, there will always be a feeling that the pair left championships on the table by not figuring out a way to coexist.

Irving counts Bryant as a mentor and has talked to him about O'Neal in order to avoid the same mistakes with James.

"It's a tough balance," Irving told ESPN. "Because everyone knows, Shaq was really dominant and [had] a lot of the individual accolades ... unbelievable. And that's who he was. And Kobe was just consistently working on his game and consistently trying to prove everyone all the time. And you got to commend somebody for that. That just shows the true testament of their will and what they're willing to do and what they're willing to sacrifice, but I know I don't want to look back and say that I let my selfishness get in the way of us winning championships, because we have unbelievable talent on this team and unbelievable players, and so I don't want to ever take that for granted.

"Whenever that time comes and it's my time to be the leader of the franchise, then I'll be well-prepared. But for now, I'm cool with just being -- I'm very, very cool with being -- a great guy on a great team."

LeBron knows Kyrie is built for a leading role in future

now, there is nothing wrong with him wanting to be the man but just remember, you track record shows YOU AINT THE ONE

That Kyrie impact (negative)

2. I wish I had this data when I wrote my Cavs column last weekend. In those 41 minutes, that group has outscored opponents, 90-61. The plus-29 points is obviously impressive. But just as important, that group held opponents to 61 points.

3. I've been trying to find some combinations to cover up the defensive weaknesses of Love and Irving. It appears Thompson, Shumpert and James can do just that.

How about the Big 3?

To find what three-man combination on the court is most effective for the Cavs, I set the parameters to playing at least 250 minutes together. The stats are per 100 possessions.

Here we go:

1. James, Love, Shumpert: plus-22
2. James, Dellavedova, Love: plus-20.5
3. James, Love, Thompson: plus-19.3
4. James, Dellavedova, Shumpert: plus-19.2
5. James, Dellavedova, Thompson: plus-17.6
6. Dellavedova, Love, Thompson: plus-16.5
7. James, Dellavedova, J.R. Smith: plus-15.6

Where is Kyrie Irving?

He doesn't appear until No. 12 for the Cavs: It's James, Thompson and Irving: plus-12.7

How about the Supposed Big Three of James, Irving and Love?

They don't appear until No. 26: plus-6.6 points.

The worst?

It's Irving, Mozgov and Love: minus-5.4. They have played 304 minutes together.

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?

1. Dellavedova, Thompson and Shumpert appear in a lot of the top combinations because they bring a defensive presence to the court.

2. When Love and Irving on the court at the same time, opponents often set up and pick-and-roll play against them. That's because Irving has trouble defending point guards, Love does not move well when far away from the basket. So the man being covered by Love will come out and set a pick on the man being covered by Irving -- and that creates problems for the Cavs.

3. When Love is not on the court with Irving, the Cavs have better defenders at guard in Shumpert and/or Dellavedova. That negates some of the effectiveness of the pick-and-roll play.

4. The worst trio of Mozgov, Irving and Love is not a big surprise. Mozgov has not moved well all year and has struggled on defense.

5. Come the playoffs, Coach Tyronn Lue will have to make some hard decisions about combinations. It may mean splitting up some of the playing time with Love and Irving. It may mean more time for Shumpert. It will require the rookie head coach to worry about what combinations will win the games, not who has the maximum contracts.

Cleveland Cavaliers have Terry Talkin' LeBron James and who is the Best 3? -- Terry Pluto (photos)

 

[Mad Good Dro]

Its not about shots with LeBron. Its how much he has the ball in his hands. LeBron is the most ball hungry superstar of all-time. Nobody else has the ball in his hands as much as LeBron.

He just fooled idiots like you into thinking his style of play isn't selfish because he averages 7 APG.

LeBron is mad selfish if you actually watch him play. He always wants to play his way. And he's never willing to adjust his style to anyone else. Chris Bosh and Kevin Love being the best examples. Both guys were reduced to 3-point jump shooters because LeBron needed the paint clear for his drives.

LeBron and selfish go hand in hand.

Like why even bother responding seriously to this clown
nikka really said lebron's the biggest ball hog of all time
When kyrie and lebron have the same usage %

 

[IllmaticDelta]

And this is why Kyrie is leaving. He wants to prove idiots like this wrong. If he keeps playing with LeBron for the rest of his prime, he'll never get the credit he feels he deserves.

Why are ya'll afraid of Kyrie going out on his own? He's not afraid to fail. Why do ya'll want him to not even try?

Maybe its because ya'll are scared he'll succeed.

kyrie is a one dimensional impact player, he brings nothing else to the table outside of his own individual scoring

 

[Hollywood Co]

why are yall taking this to mean kyrie wants to be the undisputed #1? dude could just be tired of anything good he does builds bron's legacy, any failure of the team is everyone but bron's fault. dude would get more credit for his contributions playing with almost any other set of stars aside from bron. the media/fans have made bron the sole reason for everyone else's success for every team he's been on...like cmon, that shyt gets old

What other team is he gonna go to, get to the finals and be lauded as a top tier player in the league?

Look at John Wall.. took 5 years for him to get just a bit of the kind of recognition he been seeking because as the #1, he's teams haven't been anything worth talking about. It's more to this story.

 

[Art Barr]

That piece was total crap. Dude was basically telling Kyrie to be a beta male. Fukk these fakkits who are trying to pussify the NBA. I'm glad Kyrie is trying to take it back to the way it used to be. Back in the day stars tried to lead their own teams to championships rather than teaming up with other stars.

These dudes just want Kyrie to be the helpful idiot that enhances LeBron's legacy. Because there is no way Kyrie's legacy gets enhanced by winning more rings with LeBron. It only gets diminished because as LeBron's legacy increases, the idiots in the media will make his legend even more ridiculous than it already is and to do that they have to diminish everyone around him. This is exactly what has happened to Scottie Pippen the last 10-15 years. As Jordan's legacy has been enhanced post-retirement, Scottie Pippen had to be diminished.

Nothing good would come to Kyrie for playing with LeBron any longer.

That nikka pip, schluped't it and had corporate admin attitude affecting his play issues after mike came back.
That is why his legacy is not more defined.
Kyrie is totally different as he is the top pedigreed skill guard of this gen on paper.
Plus he actually actualized bron winning as well.
While being written completely out of the actual mythos and narrative of the comeback and being rhe actual sole reason they won.






Art Barr