KG vs. Team USA in '00 :damn:

[Controversy]

Laker fans are so delusional with this. That 08 series was not close. A young Bynum and a role player (who still played, just played hurt) would have made no difference. Hell, an older, better Bynum wasn't even much of a factor against the C's in 2010. The Celtics lost by 4 points in 7 games without a starting center and a severely compromised KG with the refs favoring the Lakers heavily.

Bynum's mere presence was enough to beat the Celts

Perkins missed one game not a whole series

And KG had a better career as a PF than Duncan nonetheless

 

[GOAT]

Bynum's mere presence was enough to beat the Celts

Perkins missed one game not a whole series

And KG had a better career as a PF than Duncan nonetheless

Yeah, Bynum's "mere presence" (7 points and 5 rebounds per game on 45% shooting in 2010) would have made a HUGE difference in that 40 point blowout clincher in 2008. Okay buddy. Laker fans need to stop with this. That narrative was crushed when an older, better version of Bynum was absolute dog shyt against the Celtics in the 2010 Finals. A 20 year old player isn't doing shyt against a historically great defense in a Finals series (unless we're talking a hall of famer or something). Saying otherwise is just pure homerism, or just straight lack of NBA knowledge.

Perk got hurt early in the 1st quarter of Game 6. Essentially missed two straight games with the Celtics up 3-2 in the series. A series the Celtics would go on to lose by 4 points with the refs blowing the whistle on damn near every possession of the 4th quarter in favor of the Lakers. Oh, and KG was coming off the knee injury the year before and was not the same at all. With pre-injury KG, and the Celtics probably comfortably win that series.

 

[Malta]

Duncan had better career circumstances in terms of coaching, front office, and talent around him

Also, Duncan was a 5 since the '06-'07 season and played it a lot in certain rotations before then...

KG came into the league as a 3, became a 4 , he didn't play the 5 until those last years in Boston and first year in Brooklyn.

Duncan's best seasons and MVP seasons were at the 4

 

[ISO]

Duncan's best seasons and MVP seasons were at the 4

TD played 40% of his minutes at the 5 in his '02 MVP season
TD played 44% of his minutes at the 5 in his '03 MVP season

KG played 95% of his minutes at the 4 in his '04 MVP season

I used to look past all of TD's time at the 5, but it is something that has to be considered.

 

[Malta]

TD played 40% of his minutes at the 5 in his '02 MVP season
TD played 44% of his minutes at the 5 in his '03 MVP season

KG played 95% of his minutes at the 4 in his '04 MVP season

I used to look past all of TD's time at the 5, but it is something that has to be considered.

Those are estimates beloved


And most of his minutes were at PF even in those numbers

Greatest PF ever, you just have to accept it

 

[ISO]

Those are estimates beloved


And most of his minutes were at PF even in those numbers

Greatest PF ever, you just have to accept it

Duncan played more 5 than all his rivals at the position, it's not fair to the rest

Besides I am of the opinion that KG was more talented than TD outside of low post scoring and could have won more championships if he had the coaching, front office, and talent around him that TD has for most of his career.

TD does have superior longevity though

 

[Malta]

Duncan played more 5 than all his rivals at the position, it's not fair to the rest

Besides I am of the opinion that KG was more talented than TD outside of low post scoring and could have won more championships if he had the coaching, front office, and talent around him that TD has for most of his career.

TD does have superior longevity though

Life isn't fair, Duncan is/was the best PF ever, he won titles at the 4, he won MVPs playing the 4 as the man.

Being more talented is fine, but having a legitimate low post game is why Duncan could be counted on in close playoff games more often than KG. Being more talented doesn't equate to being better, not when the other guy has a skill that is more effective.

 

[Poitier]

account for the presence of Pop, and Duncan isn't even a top 10 player and somewhere in that Lebron range of 15-20

 

[ISO]

account for the presence of Pop, and Duncan isn't even a top 10 player and somewhere in that Lebron range of 15-20

Wow

 

[Controversy]

Yeah, Bynum's "mere presence" (7 points and 5 rebounds per game on 45% shooting in 2010) would have made a HUGE difference in that 40 point blowout clincher in 2008. Okay buddy. Laker fans need to stop with this. That narrative was crushed when an older, better version of Bynum was absolute dog shyt against the Celtics in the 2010 Finals. A 20 year old player isn't doing shyt against a historically great defense in a Finals series (unless we're talking a hall of famer or something). Saying otherwise is just pure homerism, or just straight lack of NBA knowledge.

Perk got hurt early in the 1st quarter of Game 6. Essentially missed two straight games with the Celtics up 3-2 in the series. A series the Celtics would go on to lose by 4 points with the refs blowing the whistle on damn near every possession of the 4th quarter in favor of the Lakers. Oh, and KG was coming off the knee injury the year before and was not the same at all. With pre-injury KG, and the Celtics probably comfortably win that series.

You do know Bynum was hurt in 2010 right

You do know Bynum was dunking on KG when healthy right?

You do know KG couldn't check a healthy Bynum right

Lakers prob still lose in 08, but not 09 & 10

 

[GOAT]

You do know Bynum was hurt in 2010 right

You do know Bynum was dunking on KG when healthy right?

You do know KG couldn't check a healthy Bynum right

Lakers prob still lose in 08, but not 09 & 10

When was Bynum not "hurt". Dude always has had knee problems. We'd have to be discussing a completely different player to not factor them in. He was healthy enough to be playing, which is more than you can say for the majority of his career.

KG played the 4, Bynum the 5 and primarily a back to the basket player. KG wouldn't have been guarding him and never has, so not sure what your point is here to begin with. On top of that, Bynum averaged 9 points and 7 rebounds for his career against KG and his career high against him was 20 (this was in his absolute prime, going up against a really old, post-injury KG) points. Stop making shyt up.

 

[Controversy]

When was Bynum not "hurt". Dude always has had knee problems. We'd have to be discussing a completely different player to not factor them in. He was healthy enough to be playing, which is more than you can say for the rest of his career.

KG played the 4, Bynum the 5 and primarily a back to the basket player. KG wouldn't have been guarding him and never has, so not sure what your point is here to begin with. On top of that, Bynum averaged 9 points and 7 rebounds for his career against KG and his career high against him was 20 (this was in his absolute prime, going up against a really old, post-injury KG) points. Stop making shyt up.

But KG did guard him hence him being dunked on multiple times

 

[GOAT]

But KG did guard him hence him being dunked on multiple times

KG was never the primary defender on Bynum. They played different positions and the Celtics had Perk, who was their designated post defender for offensive centers.

You can't honestly be stupid enough to think a player dunking on another player means they were the primary defender on them, can you? I guess the Mavs had Shawn Bradley assigned to T-Mac in '05, huh?

Nothing to say about Bynum's 9/7 averages against KG for his career? Or his career high against him being 20 fukking points (in 2012 btw, so we're talking peak Bynum vs over the hill KG)

 

[Controversy]

KG was never the primary defender on Bynum. They played different positions and the Celtics had Perk, who was their designated post defender for offensive centers.

You can't honestly be stupid enough to think a player dunking on another player means they were the primary defender on them, can you? I guess the Mavs had Shawn Bradley assigned to T-Mac in '05, huh?

Nothing to say about Bynum's 9/7 averages against KG for his career? Or his career high against him being 20 fukking points (in 2012 btw, so we're talking peak Bynum vs over the hill KG)

He wasn't the primary defender but he did defend him at times bc Boston used to switch in the post as part of their defensive scheme

KG in 09 & 10 couldn't check Bynum & neither could Perk

Perk wouldn't have made a diff in game 7 either

But I still rank KG as arguably the best pf of all time

 

[Controversy]

KG was never the primary defender on Bynum. They played different positions and the Celtics had Perk, who was their designated post defender for offensive centers.

You can't honestly be stupid enough to think a player dunking on another player means they were the primary defender on them, can you? I guess the Mavs had Shawn Bradley assigned to T-Mac in '05, huh?

Nothing to say about Bynum's 9/7 averages against KG for his career? Or his career high against him being 20 fukking points (in 2012 btw, so we're talking peak Bynum vs over the hill KG)

U fukkin trollin now

KG was backed into a dunk...it wasn't a weak side block attempt

I watched the games & clearly remember Bynum abusing KG in 09 & 10