Kevin Smith reviews Batman V Superman "Lacks heart"

[lutha]

are you against having a protagonist? a movie intrudes on it's audience by encouraging them to cheer for it's hero?


right, the heroes are really the villains. how can i forget.

why would you depict a batman story where batman is not the hero

nope, i'm not...the movie presented a protagonist (s), you just didnt like how they did it...that's cool...

i wasnt talking about the film with that line, but since it doesnt fit your stance, you ignored it...gotcha....as for the film: it presented them as heroes, you didnt like how they did it..that's cool...

i didnt depict anything, i didnt create this movie.....as for how they showed it in the film: they did depict batman as a hero...his cause started out as one thing, then it changed to another at the end....but he was always shown as the hero...just like sup was....

 

[lutha]

Now I do think they showed too much in the previews, ESP Doomsday. That was rediculous.

how so? the fight didnt go how they showed it in the trailers....they never showed him changing/adapting....even ww entrance to the fight was different...

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

nope, i'm not...the movie presented a protagonist (s), you just didnt like how they did it...that's cool...

i wasnt talking about the film with that line, but since it doesnt fit your stance, you ignored it...gotcha....as for the film: it presented them as heroes, you didnt like how they did it..that's cool...

i didnt depict anything, i didnt create this movie.....as for how they showed it in the film: they did depict batman as a hero...his cause started out as one thing, then it changed to another at the end....but he was always shown as the hero...just like sup was....

lemme ask you this, if half the people that came away from die hard didn't like john mcclane... is that movie still a success? doesn't the audience NEED to connect with john mcclane in order for that movie to work?

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

also shouldn't a batman movie be unapologetically pro-batman? a superman movie pro superman?

 

[lutha]

lemme ask you this, if half the people that came away from die hard didn't like john mcclane... is that movie still a success? doesn't the audience NEED to connect with john mcclane in order for that movie to work?

was john mcclaine known before the series? did people have an opinion/feelings about him? no, they didnt cause they didnt know the character....so, unlike bvs, yes that movie had to make you feel for the new character they introduced...that's what you dont seem to be understanding: these arent new nor the only interpretations of bat, sup, ww, etc...they are just zack & co's take on them...how people feel/what they think about them isnt gonna change cause of these movies....just like people still liked sup after sup 3 & 4; and people still liked bat after the kilmer and clooney movies...

let me ask you something: why do you think you gonna change my mind about the film?....it's not gonna happen, i think for myself....i like the film, you didnt, that's cool...

 

[lutha]

also shouldn't a batman movie be unapologetically pro-batman? a superman movie pro superman?

if this was a batman or superman only film, you'd have a point, but it wasnt...

...i like the film, you didnt...that's cool....but i'm done playing now, i'm tired of it...have a good one....

 

[chico25]

i see the problem, but it's not the movie....but before i state that problem, i'll answer your questions::

- where did i say that?....i said most people already have an opinion about the characters before they even see the movie (which is true), because these arent new characters.....all the movie does is try to explain in it's own way why the characters are the way they are in this mu.....also, if the movie determines your opinion for you, it's no longer your opinion is it?....

- yes, that's true, and if they do, that's ok...not everyone sees batman/superman as heroes, and it has nothing to do with this film...they think/feel that way based off the comics....there is no absolute to this...seriously, it's some people that think lex is right and has been the whole time...

- actually the movie does make you care about the characters and presents it in a great way...

...whether you agree/disagree with their take on it is all up to you, and whatever you choose is cool cause only you can judge for you....but like i said earlier: i see the problem, but it's not the movie....it's people like you judging the movie based off what they want, not what it is....seriously, look at what you've said the last couple posts: you want the movie to determine your opinion and how you should feel about characters you already have an opinion about and feelings for.....but it should only do it in a way that validates what you already think/feel; if it doesnt, then you're disappointed/upset cause the movie wasnt what you wanted....that's fukking stupid lol....these arent new characters, what you think/how you feel has been built off of years of knowing these characters, this movie isnt gonna change that...

People defending the movie state this is a new/different take on established characters and it's the job of the story teller to decide who this version is and give me a reason to care about their version. If they don't I'm going to judge them based on what I know about other versions and have a problem with the deviations from those versions that this new story includes. The dark knight trilogy changed things from the comics and other source material but people didn't complain about the changes because the story was engaging and made you care about their version of the characters. Snyder's films fail in that regard.

The other argument you keep making is that this is the story of how these characters became the established characters we know but the story on screen doesn't fit that. The story is Batman has been operating for 20 years, Lex is deep enough to have figured out the identity of the entire justice league and Superman is dead. How are Batman and Lex not established? How does dying then coming back help character development? The fact is the movie failed as anything but a spectacle for people that love Easter eggs and don't ask real questions about story or character.

 

[lutha]

People defending the movie state this is a new/different take on established characters and it's the job of the story teller to decide who this version is and give me a reason to care about their version. If they don't I'm going to judge them based on what I know about other versions and have a problem with the deviations from those versions that this new story includes. The dark knight trilogy changed things from the comics and other source material but people didn't complain about the changes because the story was engaging and made you care about their version of the characters. Snyder's films fail in that regard.

The other argument you keep making is that this is the story of how these characters became the established characters we know but the story on screen doesn't fit that. The story is Batman has been operating for 20 years, Lex is deep enough to have figured out the identity of the entire justice league and Superman is dead. How are Batman and Lex not established? How does dying then coming back help character development? The fact is the movie failed as anything but a spectacle for people that love Easter eggs and don't ask real questions about story or character.

i'm not defending the movie....i'm just answering questions people are asking me in regards to it...but not once have i said you/they should/shouldnt like it...that's up to the individual to decide, and whatever they decide is cool....

these characters arent established....the only one that is close to established is batman...but sup and lex have only been 'sup' & 'lex' for 18 months, that is not long enough for established characters...the whole movie is about internal struggle as much as it is struggle against others...by the end of the film, sup & lex had finished struggling with themselves and decided what type of people they were gonna be....so, yes, even though he died, when he comes back, he can continue down that path that he chose before he died....

'people that dont ask real questions" lol aight man....if you say so...i get it: you dont like the movie, that's cool...but leave it at that....

 

[chico25]

i'm not defending the movie....i'm just answering questions people are asking me in regards to it...but not once have i said you/they should/shouldnt like it...that's up to the individual to decide, and whatever they decide is cool....

these characters arent established....the only one that is close to established is batman...but sup and lex have only been 'sup' & 'lex' for 18 months, that is not long enough for established characters...the whole movie is about internal struggle as much as it is struggle against others...by the end of the film, sup & lex had finished struggling with themselves and decided what type of people they were gonna be....so, yes, even though he died, when he comes back, he can continue down that path that he chose before he died....

'people that dont ask real questions" lol aight man....if you say so...i get it: you dont like the movie, that's cool...but leave it at that....

People don't start being who they are after a single event. Lex has been Lex his whole life and Superman gave him a target/focus. He is who he is and won't change his personality or how he acts because his plan succeeded, even if he ended up in prison. Superman died before he ever got to be established, just really think about that statement.

 

[The_King_of_Everything]

he's doing the same as most people: judging the movie by what they wanted, and not by what it actually is....which I understand, people have known these characters for years, so that's cool.....what I don't understand is how they acknowledge the movie universe is just starting, but they want established characters already...they want the characters to be how we've known them for years, ignoring/skipping how they became that way, which makes no sense....

also, he's full of shyt with that deadpool thing...he wouldn't take a kid to this cause it's not as jokey as he'd like, but he'd take a kid to see a movie like deadpool cause it has a 'good message' and is more jokey? lol get the fukk outta here....

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[lutha]

People don't start being who they are after a single event. Lex has been Lex his whole life and Superman gave him a target/focus. He is who he is and won't change his personality or how he acts because his plan succeeded, even if he ended up in prison. Superman died before he ever got to be established, just really think about that statement.

you do realize that in this mu, sup has only been in lex's life for 18 months, not his whole life, so how has lex been lex when he didnt have that target (as you said) to focus on?...he didnt/couldnt.....and i didnt say they were gonna instantly be the established versions...what i said was that by the end of the film, they presented that the characters had started making up their minds about how they were gonna be going forward...it's still a journey, but they showed signs they had finally chosen the path they were gonna go down...as we get more films, we'll start to get the more established characters....seriously, they are still only 2 films deep into their mu...give them a sec to show and prove....

 

[Bryan Danielson]

That nicca @lutha holding the DC stans down!

fukk this... that name doesnt represent yall properly.... yall deserve better. Marvel stans too.

I'm just gonna start calling DC stans the Justice League and the Marvel stans The Avengers

 

[AquaCityBoy]

he's doing the same as most people: judging the movie by what they wanted, and not by what it actually is....which I understand, people have known these characters for years, so that's cool.....what I don't understand is how they acknowledge the movie universe is just starting, but they want established characters already...they want the characters to be how we've known them for years, ignoring/skipping how they became that way, which makes no sense....

also, he's full of shyt with that deadpool thing...he wouldn't take a kid to this cause it's not as jokey as he'd like, but he'd take a kid to see a movie like deadpool cause it has a 'good message' and is more jokey? lol get the fukk outta here....

This dude stays leeching off Marvel & DC one way or another. Got him directing an episode of The Flash and he's putting Jason Mewes in it. He's shyt at everything he does.

More feelings caught.

 

[Art Barr]

Sounds more and more like this movie is on par with the garbage pail kids

Matter of fact Garbage Pail Kids >>>>

Did they ever release the banned garbage pail kids cartoon, with longer episodes.


Art Barr

 

[TransJenner]

he's doing the same as most people: judging the movie by what they wanted, and not by what it actually is....which I understand, people have known these characters for years, so that's cool.....what I don't understand is how they acknowledge the movie universe is just starting, but they want established characters already...they want the characters to be how we've known them for years, ignoring/skipping how they became that way, which makes no sense....

also, he's full of shyt with that deadpool thing...he wouldn't take a kid to this cause it's not as jokey as he'd like, but he'd take a kid to see a movie like deadpool cause it has a 'good message' and is more jokey? lol get the fukk outta here....

Take your kid to see a superhero fukked in the ass