Kevin Smith reviews Batman V Superman "Lacks heart"

[Kill Dat Noize]

that would apply if the chef didnt tell you before hand what he was going for with the food...if he says before hand 'i'm going for something without kick', it's kinda dumb to come back and say 'i didnt like it cause it didnt have kick'....

dc said they were going with a more serious tone before hand, so for critics to come back and say 'it wasnt light enough' is dumb...that's like knowing before hand a movie is a comedy, watching it, and then saying it didnt have enough drama in it.....

...whether or not people like the movie is up to them, but to use the tone as a critique when they knew before hand what the tone was gonna be is dumb...and shows they arent judging the movie for what it is, instead are judging what they wanted it to be...

honest question, would you argue that the movie:

a) wants you to like batman and superman

or

b) wants you to make your own decision about batman and superman

 

[Won Won]

He's not a part of the Marvel conspiracy, nor is he a "fakkit critic", and dudes are still finding ways to shyt on his opinion

He's pissed because Star Wars stole his comic con moment and he hasn't been relevant in years.

This doesn't make any sense whatsoever, and you've been grasping at enough straw this past week to build a goddamn house

 

[lutha]

honest question, would you argue that the movie:

a) wants you to like batman and superman

or

b) wants you to make your own decision about batman and superman

dont see how what that has to do with what i said about critics judging off what they wanted, not what it actually is, but i'll answer:

neither...the movie doesnt say 'you must like them now' nor does it say 'make your own decision'....the movie goes about explaining how the characters become what we know them to be as established characters....that's the thing people seem to be missing when they judge the movie based on what they want...they want these characters to be like the established characters we've known for years, ignoring that this is the beginning of the mu and they are explaining how they've become those characters....ex: superman...in this mu, superman has been superman for about 2 years, but people expect him to be like the one established for 60+ years...that makes no sense....

...what's funny about that: if he was acting like the established character, those same people would probably be complaining about that too.....

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Kevin Smith is nitpicking here...

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

neither...the movie doesnt say 'you must like them now' nor does it say 'make your own decision'....the movie goes about explaining how the characters become what we know them to be as established characters....that's the thing people seem to be missing when they judge the movie based on what they want...they want these characters to be like the established characters we've known for years, ignoring that this is the beginning of the mu and they are explaining how they've become those characters....ex: superman...in this mu, superman has been superman for about 2 years, but people expect him to be like the one established for 60+ years...that makes no sense....

so in your opinion, the movie has no intention of making you feel ANY way about it's lead protagonists? you don't see the problem here?

we should feel indifferent towards them?

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

Kevin Smith is nitpicking here...

Not really, he's just pointing out the obvious, bad script, bad villains, trailers spoiling the major scenes. The pointless scenes and the Martha thing.

I don't agree with his kids won't like it angle, that's just a way of saying he's a big p*ssy. Other than that his review is spot on.

 

[lutha]

so in your opinion, the movie has no intention of making you feel ANY way about it's lead protagonists? you don't see the problem here?

we should feel indifferent towards them?

no, there is no problem cause the movie doesnt have intention of making you feel any certain way towards the characters....these arent new characters, so the movie doesnt need to determine how you should feel about them.....most people that go see the movie already feel a certain way about the characters cause they've known these characters for years.... what the movie does is explain (in it's interpretation) how those characters became the way they are, which will either reinforce how you feel or change how you feel.....but it doesnt determine that feeling for you...

although very unlikely, if you go into the movie feeling indifferent about the characters, that'll change by the end...you're either gonna like them or not based off how the movie presents why they are the way they are....

 

[wire28]

So basically one of, if not the biggest DC fan in Hollywood also said this movie was bland, lackluster and had no soul

Didn't DC have him introduce their extended universe in a one hour special on the CW?

Isn't he best friends with Affleck?

Marvel paid him dammit

so what if the editing was shyt

and the entire justice league was introduced with an email during the climax

and the villain was annoying with no motivations revealed

and batman who spent years hating superman for all the lives he caused to be lost decided to stop because they mommas had the same name

dammit people didnt like the tone!!!

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

Kevin Smith talking about the checklist for all the scenes we had already saw due to the marketing was so spot on.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

no, there is no problem cause the movie doesnt have intention of making you feel any certain way towards the characters....most people that go see the movie already feel a certain way about the characters cause they've known these characters for years.... what the movie does is explain (in it's interpretation) how those characters became the way they are, which will either reinforce how you feel or change how you feel.....but it doesnt determine that feeling for you...

although very unlikely, if you go into the movie feeling indifferent about the characters, that'll change by the end...you're either gonna like them or not based off how the movie presents why they are the way they are....

okay so according to you:

- the movie does not care for us to have an opinion about it's lead characters.

- a certain portion of the audience may actually view these characters as unlikable protagonists based on how they are portrayed in the film.

- the filmmakers expect you to care about these characters because we already know them as icons, even though it does not go out of it's way to earn our admiration towards them.


do you still not see the problem here?

 

[Fillerguy]

Its obvious someone at DC had a talk him after his first review. On his podcast he and his cohost picked apart Batman v Superman. They mentioned plot holes and character inconsistencies i didnt even notice. He cops a lot of pleas in that second video.

You know how I know? Kevin Smith said after he saw the first screening (a week before its release) he felt guilty for not liking it and we relieved when ppl started shytting on the film. For a couple of days he was afraid he was getting old comic book shyt wasnt for him anymore. A blatant, paid, DC stan/creator had a geek crisis of faith after watching this film. Kevin Smith had to ignore the awful shyt in BvS to enjoy it the 2nd and 3rd time.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Its obvious someone at DC had a talk him after his first review. On his podcast he and his cohost picked apart Batman v Superman. They mentioned plot holes and character inconsistencies i didnt even notice. He cops a lot of pleas in that second video.

You know how I know? Kevin Smith said after he saw the first screening (a week before its release) he felt guilty for not liking it and we relieved when ppl started shytting on the film. For a couple of days he was afraid he was getting old comic book shyt wasnt for him anymore. A blatant, paid, DC stan/creator had a geek crisis of faith after watching this film. Kevin Smith had to ignore the awful shyt in BvS to enjoy it the 2nd and 3rd time.

I didn't interpret it like that at all, I just think Kevin smith despite being an extreme geek and having a love affair with this kinda stuff... is probably just an incredibly happy and humble dude who's not gonna let something like this bother him. He seems like a glass half full guy no matter what.

A lot of us fans tend to get angry at these movies when they don't turn out good but smith, despite shytting on it at every turn, remained calm and sensible throughout. So you can't even use the "he's just mad" argument because he's clearly not and he openly admits that he's gonna support this stuff no mater what.

 

[lutha]

okay so according to you:

- the movie does not care for us to have an opinion about it's lead characters.

- a certain portion of the audience may actually view these characters as unlikable protagonists based on how they are portrayed in the film.

- the filmmakers expect you to care about these characters because we already know them as icons, even though it does not go out of it's way to earn our admiration towards them.


do you still not see the problem here?

i see the problem, but it's not the movie....but before i state that problem, i'll answer your questions::

- where did i say that?....i said most people already have an opinion about the characters before they even see the movie (which is true), because these arent new characters.....all the movie does is try to explain in it's own way why the characters are the way they are in this mu.....also, if the movie determines your opinion for you, it's no longer your opinion is it?....

- yes, that's true, and if they do, that's ok...not everyone sees batman/superman as heroes, and it has nothing to do with this film...they think/feel that way based off the comics....there is no absolute to this...seriously, it's some people that think lex is right and has been the whole time...

- actually the movie does make you care about the characters and presents it in a great way...

...whether you agree/disagree with their take on it is all up to you, and whatever you choose is cool cause only you can judge for you....but like i said earlier: i see the problem, but it's not the movie....it's people like you judging the movie based off what they want, not what it is....seriously, look at what you've said the last couple posts: you want the movie to determine your opinion and how you should feel about characters you already have an opinion about and feelings for.....but it should only do it in a way that validates what you already think/feel; if it doesnt, then you're disappointed/upset cause the movie wasnt what you wanted....that's fukking stupid lol....these arent new characters, what you think/how you feel has been built off of years of knowing these characters, this movie isnt gonna change that...

 

[Rekkapryde]

Kevin Smith talking about the checklist for all the scenes we had already saw due to the marketing was so spot on.

Now I do think they showed too much in the previews, ESP Doomsday. That was rediculous.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

- where did i say that?....i said most people already have an opinion about the characters before they even see the movie (which is true), because these arent new characters.....all the movie does is try to explain in it's own way why the characters are the way they are in this mu.....also, if the movie determines your opinion for you, it's no longer your opinion is it?....

are you against having a protagonist? a movie intrudes on it's audience by encouraging them to cheer for it's hero?

- yes, that's true, and if they do, that's ok...not everyone sees batman/superman as heroes, and it has nothing to do with this film...they think/feel that way based off the comics....there is no absolute to this...seriously, it's some people that think lex is right and has been the whole time...

right, the heroes are really the villains. how can i forget.

why would you depict a batman story where batman is not the hero