HarlemHottie
Uptown Thoroughbred
A single GAY man.
Kevin Samuels Discussion Thread
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A single GAY man.I find it quite amusing when people say "think on a higher level" or "deeper level", then proceed to regurgitate nonsensical theories. Yes, people find it easier to do business with folks they like. But by your post, and others like it, i can tell you're lacking in real life experiences. And this is no malicious shot at you at all. It is not. It is merely a friendly admonishment that I feel you desperately need.
Now, there are areas (albeit small) where your idea of the world actually works. And that's in the corporate world where people kiss ass to get ahead. I see it. I dont partake in it. But I see it. The girl I responded to literally said she had to WOW her husband's boss before he could get a promotion. Take a moment and think that through. And she said it with so much pride i felt utterly disgusted. Like I said, if you work in certain fields where you need people to like you, i can see that. But the idea of YOUR WIFE needing to be there before a promotion can be given to you is not only ridiculous, it's also a huge copout on the husband's side, and a gross over representation on the wife's part, and pure stupidity on both of their parts.
what you dont realize is (and I attribute this to your apparent naivety) is that, that job where that girl had to WOW her way into getting her husband a promotion, may not be around for ever. If you live your life on the principle of "needing a wife, a woman or anyone in order to get ahead" what ends up happening to you is you wind up being reliant on other people for your own survival. These are the types of people that commit suicides when they're faced with a job loss WITH the threat of that person they relied on not being available anymore. His wife may leave him, or that boss that was WOWed may leave the company, die, or whatever and his new boss may not give two sh1ts about any of that WOWing his wife seems to pride herself in. Not to mention, should he actually succeed in life, now he's got a woman sitting there thinking she's just as responsible for it as he is. Think about that and let that sink in.
And what about your dignity? People know when you're trying to curry favor and there are individuals out there who, if they do something for you, will forever hold it over your head. You NEVER EVER want to find yourself beholden to anyone, whether it be your wife or your boss. The works of your hand should be your gospel.
I have to brutally honest here. As a i typed this, i felt a range of emotions run through me. One is of pity, another is of rage that you actually think you make sense, and the final feeling was of profound understanding. I understand why you feel the way you feel. I come from a background that I can only imagine is vastly different from yours. Very different. And the lessons thought to me from that background is that, yes, while we as humans need other humans in life, the majority of the success of your life depends solely on you.
i'm just a poster on a message forum. You don't know me. But my friendly advise to you is to learn to stand on your own two feet. Help is always appreciated, whether it be from your wife or your friends. But if there's a possibility that that help can somehow come back and try to take credit for your success in life, you owe it to your self to re-evaluate things lest it cost you a fortune in the future.
lespaulultra3
All Star
I never thought about it until he mentioned it but I've now noticed that most CEOs are married. The only major CEO that I know of that isn't married is Elon Musk and that might not count since he literally built the company. According to KS, being married shows stability to investors.
humminbird
Veteran
he's been married 2 times and has like 8 kids
I think he's recently married too
tell em why you mad
Yeah. Men who work in corporate america understand that your wife can be one of your biggest assets when networking. Also It lets them know they can trust you and you won’t be fukking everything in the office and causing PR problems at the office.
It’s safe to have someone like that, than the single CEO who gets caught fukking the clerrmont twins and now your on the stock channels coppin pleas and investors are ready to let you go.
What age they expect you to be married?Yeah. Men who work in corporate america understand that your wife can be one of your biggest assets when networking. Also It lets them know they can trust you and you won’t be fukking everything in the office and causing PR problems at the office.
It’s safe to have someone like that, than the single CEO who gets caught fukking the clerrmont twins and now your on the stock channels coppin pleas and investors are ready to let you go.
El Poyo Loco
Akrassikauda = Black Scorpion
Went to Bahamas with his boyfriend while 8 million of us was dealing with one of the worst blizzards in the past 20 years then blamed the transportation and sanitation commissioners for it. That was very Trump like.
Youseenmywork
KING
He making wild records that ready to die shyt was aight ..it was aight but my shyt more john blaze ...I got john blaze shyt
The Devil's Advocate
Call me Dad
You did it to me, now I see you doing it to him... Avoiding the point....
Both of us have said you are right... You don't NEED to do this. But when we both asked you a simple question, you avoided it. So I'll ask again......... Do you plan on going any further in your career? Right now you've admitted you're not management. Do you plan on being managed all your career? Till you're 65-70-80? How far do you think you can get in your promotions, with your mentality? And if you did play the game, do you think it would take you further or set you back?
I don't think anyone HAS to do it.. Nor is it always going to work... But it seems as if you think that your way produces better results, and I'm curious how/why you base that theory on...
The very fact that you're asking this question, or that you phrase your inquiry this way tells me alot about you. Before I answer it though, I have to prepare you with a question.
What exactly does the phrase "going further in a career" mean to you? I think I know the answer. Going further means getting into management, being able to say to people "im a manager, x number of people report to me, I'm part of management". Am I right? I dont expect you to honestly answer because this is the way the majority of the work force think. And if you do get into management, the managerial position often comes with less "day to day work". Now, you think you're a big boy. You get to attend meetings with a bunch of other figurines like yourself, as you collectively pat yourselves in the back as being the "decision makers". lol. I know all about this mentality and when I see people like you i cant help but to get the giggles. It truly is a humorous sight to behold.
Now, let's talk about me for a second. You should understand very clearly that I do not care for management. I have no desire to have someone else APPOINT me in a position. I APPOINT myself. What does that mean? When you are appointed to a position, it also means you can be TAKEN OUT of said position (in most cases, some cases not...i.e. supreme court).
I work in IT where it would be highly irresponsible for any manager to overlook a talented engineer for recognition, for reasons that can only be categorized as sentimental. Because, while programmers come by the tons, it is very rare to be fortunate enough to encounter the very talented programmer who does not think outside the box as part of a regimented list of steps, but does so, naturally. It comes innate to him (or her). This is a skill that cannot be taught. It's what is called talent. You can imitate it but you'll always be in a position of a imitator, a charlatan, while the original creator, the artificer will find it effortless to create, invent.
To answer your question more directly, I'll say this. I dont have to work as hard as most because I'm financially comfortable. And I got that way because many many years ago I had a very honest conversation with myself. Knowing who I am, and my complete and resolute unwillingness to allow anyone power over me (especially being a black man in this country), I lived my life (with the assistance of prayer) in a certain way. I dedicated my life to my craft and through that, I found financial peace of mind. I'm glossing over many details here but the details are irrelevant. What mattered was I knew what I wanted and needed to be happy and I lived my life in congruence with that.
If you take nothing out of what i just said, stop the mentality of believing you need ANYONE. The discussion took this turn when that one girl really had the nerve to credit herself with helping her husband get a promotion. No man should ever be comfortable having anyone hold this over him.
The Devil's Advocate
Call me Dad
Breh... I also work in IT... I'm a network engineer. So all of your "I can tell..." is unnecessary.
When anyone says moving up in their career, they mean climbing the latter. If you can skip management and go straight to partner, well there you go. If you can skip being an employee and straight to being your own boss, well there you go. But OWNERSHIP would be the ultimate goal. Whether owning your own company that prospers through bigger and bigger contracts... Or working for a company and prospering by gaining an ownership stake in that company. Either way, you're going to run into people. The man who wants his entire company ran by yours, is still going to want to meet you and see what you're about, before trusting you with a multi million dollar contract. Once you ace that, the next man is going to want to meet you, even though you proved you can do it, he needs to see if you're a nice fit with him...
If you aren't looking to go up in money, power, ownership, then you aren't going anywhere but sideways. If I'm still a network engineer in 15 years, I've failed. I haven't used my skill set to get in any better job role. I may have made more money as time went on, but I'm in the same ass job, for 15 years. That's why the title says CAREER. Yes you can prosper FINANCIALLY. No it doesn't have to be management. Although being a CEO is just another form of management, you just manage your own company. At some point, do you want to be in charge or being told what to do?
I do respect that you stand firm in belief though. I'm not at all saying you're wrong for not doing it. I only disagree that it's a better tactic to succeed by not doing it
the bossman
Superstar
You're acting like she said he was nothing without her. ol girl already acknowledged her man was the best at the company. But he's not the most social so she simply used her charm with his co-workers and that helped him get to the next level. What is wrong in that? to the point you're saying it shows their stupidity?
Why wouldn't you want a wife who could help you where you might lack? I bet in the same vain she has weaknesses that he overcomes for her with his strengths. That's what a healthy couple does for each other. What wife wouldn't have a vested interest in the success of their man?Yall are so used to dealing with bum bytches (or no bytches at all
) who bring nothing to table that you see what she said as disrespect.nikka literally said he was disgusted that a woman was proud of helping her husband succeed in his career.
The fact you had these 'range of emotions' running through you because of that little example she gave and the way this thread got you so triggered that you writing all these 80 paragraph dissertations is more telling about the hate you have for women. I can't help you with that one breh
