Kevin Samuels Discussion Thread

ViShawn

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Steve jobs just wore a mock black neck turtleneck and jeans

zuckerberg white ts and jeans

Director chad a man bun oversized polo chinos and 15 dollar sandals

but a breh gotta wear a fitted suit, loafers so whitey won’t give me the side eye

Tech is different. Tech has a creative casual attire and billionaires have their own rules. Still people have assumed I'm a manager because I decide from time to time to wear a button down and nice shoes instead of the company t shirt and it's helped me in my career. Maybe by performing better or standing out.

But going out dressed up every now and then women will assume you're somebody. I'm saying just rock an overcoat over that jeans and tee you look fly as fukk.
 

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I haven't watched either of last nights livestreams yet, but one of the few bad things about WHF is not getting dressed up anymore. I wouldn't go in to the office overdressed, a tailored button-up, dress pants, nice belt, and double-monk shoes does wonders for your image. Even the Director and Managers are wearing T-Shirts on most Teams calls now. I'm glad I was able to make my impression in person before Covid.

Black Men have to start being taken seriously again, even in regards to other black women. I can go out in joggers, fitted t-shirt, high-top sneakers and get choosing, but get that and be perceived 2x better outside of physicality in the wardrobe I listed above, its best to be able to do both.
 

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No such thing is “looking like a great wife”, the optical illusions used will continue to be the downfall of men lol

men RARELY up and leave their family. Dudes have let side chick baby mamas control the narrative too long. A man will juggle multiple families/women before leaving someone who is holding him down. Woman was probably an energy vampire who didnt bring peace


Yeah, that’s why I’m suspicious. I’m sure Kevin thought about asking her about it, but don’t want to go there with her, for whatever reason.
 

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I am still going to go to the gym in 90 degree weather in a tank top, shorts and slides don't give a fukk.
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Thoughts while dressing up: I've been getting compliments from my co-workers, so I was looking forward to getting snazzy and completing my outfit with a tie. I've also gotten accustomed to waking up earlier and ironing my shirt and slacks.


Experiences: A neighbor, who has literally never made eye contact with me before today, smiled and said, "Good morning." I went to Lulu's for lunch and the owner welcomed me with a smile and led me to my usual seat. My order got messed up and I was given fruit instead of fries, but the woman waiting my table quickly fixed that.


On my way out, a group of middle-aged men moved to let me pass through. I headed over to Meltdown Comics, where I felt out of place because of my clothes, yet right at home because I was surrounded by the things I love. At Vacation Vinyl, I got a "What's up man?" from the guy behind the counter who followed up with "Are you looking for anything in particular?" He got excited when I asked him about a Turnstile record and we started a conversation about hardcore and punk bands.

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Tyler Dunlavy for BuzzFeed

Thoughts while dressing down: I threw on a simple hoodie with sweatpants that fit better than my previous day's gear. I mentally prepared myself for the microaggressions I was going to experience during my morning routine while reminding myself to act as I normally would.


Experiences: I felt good walking to Lulu's for lunch, but the hoodie-sweats combo wasn't the best move for the warm weather. I saw the same waitress and she quickly announced my order to me before I could get a word in. On my way back to work, a valet almost ran through me and I low-key had to jump out of the way. At Meltdown Comics, I found a comic by an artist I went to school with, so I asked the employee how one can submit their work to the store. He asked me about my Tumblr account, and liked my work! That was really cool. In my experience, visual artists have always been accepting, but I especially appreciated that moment of validation.

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Tyler Dunlavy for BuzzFeed

Thoughts while dressing up: I felt really fresh! I liked the turtleneck because it covered up my long-ass neck. Not a fan of the blazer, but the turtleneck evened it out. And after the third day, these slacks weren't too bad. Third day's a charm, I guess.


Experiences: I had to run after my bus and hop on at the next intersection. The bus driver smiled at me as I thanked her. When a few black teenagers got on the bus, I felt like their elder in my getup. I went to the Beverly Center and immediately felt so formal and stiff, like a total dweeb. I decided to work my way from the mid-level stores to the luxury ones. At Express Men, the associate was really courteous and told me about the current deals, then left me to shop. I wasn't as comfortable at Club Monaco, where the employees were on shoplifting-prevention watch. They started a fitting room for me, and one of the women told me she liked my outfit, which made me feel less like a dweeb. I headed over to Louis Vuitton and browsed their shoe selection, where an employee told me, "We have a lot of styles, great colors."


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Tyler Dunlavy for BuzzFeed

Thoughts while dressing down: I love this hoodie and would probably add it to my actual wardrobe if it wasn't so oversize. I was a little wary about how people were going to treat me at the mall this time around, but I wasn't as self-conscious as I was last week.


Experiences: I went to Express Men and there wasn't an associate in sight so I walked around. Eventually a woman appeared and asked me if I needed anything; I told her I was just browsing, and I caught her staring at me a couple of times as I looked around. When I requested a size check at Club Monaco, the woman seemed annoyed but she eventually found the shirt. It was frustrating at Louis Vuitton because not only was it obvious that they had two sets of eyes on me, but also because nobody bothered to acknowledge me as a customer. Before I had the chance to look at anything, or even make it much past the entrance, a security guard approached me asking if I had any questions. At this point, I was so bothered by the experience that I wanted to leave, but I checked out the shoes only to be ignored by the man working there.


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Thoughts while dressing up:Getting dressed up is cool. I feel fancy, but not myself. I'm glad this is the last day because I'm running out of outfits! Walking around like this makes me feel more important than I actually am. I've also noticed more people wearing suits, in the same way that I noticed everyone with locs once I got my hair locked.


Experiences: At the bus stop, I noticed that my fly was open, which made me realize that I haven't changed regardless of the clothes I wear. My headphones were on full blast as I did my best J Dilla head-nod rendition. A woman took the seat next to me on the bus, even though there were a good amount of available spots.


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Tyler Dunlavy for BuzzFeed

Thoughts while dressing down: I was relieved and happy that this was my final day. I questioned why I really did this experiment, and "I did it to piss myself off" was only thing I could come up with. It has been a trying week.


Experiences: As I waited for the bus at the bench, a car pulled up on the far right lane and left an unreasonable amount of space between it and the car ahead. The only thing in between the cars was me. Maybe it was just keeping a safe distance, or maybe locking their door was too mid-'90s. An elderly couple also kept their distance from me at the bus stop and waited at the corner. As I saw the bus down the street, I got up and stood behind the couple, allowing them to get on before me. They instantly got up and took the bench. The older man finally understood my gesture as the bus pulled up to the stop. As I walked to my second bus, a woman moved her purse to the shoulder farther away from me. I couldn't help but walk with a lot less pep in my step and I actually got emotional putting that in my notes.


During my dress-up week of blazers, ties, belts, and loud-ass shoes my initial discomfort faded as I noticed my treatment improved. It was really surprising to see how frequently I was made aware of my identity once I was dressed down. I would love to give people the benefit of the doubt, but they weren't isolated incidents. There were multiple moments where I felt unaccepted and feared.


It's this same assumed uneasiness that can cause a police officer to shoot an unarmed black child, teenager, or adult. This predisposed perception of black men being violent criminals gives others the consent to write off our mistreatment as something we deserve rather than prejudice and injustice. What I wore while dressing down is no different from what an average college student might wear to class. But why does a women need to protect her belongings from me in broad daylight? Why must it be for an interview if I'm dressed up? Why does a group of retail associates need to divert all their attention to me when I'm in a hoodie? Or why do they feel I'm more approachable with my shirt tucked in? I don't know, but I shouldn't have to change what I'm wearing to not be feared.



A Black Man Wore Different Kinds Of Clothing To See If People Treated Him Differently
fukk all that shyt.

I'm not going to dress extra conservative to appease non-black/wypipol.

Their own prejudices is their own personal problems.
 

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But hes talking about everybody, including bw and bm.

Ex:/ If you, rhetorical bm, are dressed like a geriatric fukkboi, its very easy to frame you as one, despite the data.

Did you defend the bonnets at the airport? :jbhmm:

Yeah but if you’re dressed in a suit, they just gonna find some other way to denigrate you like they did when we all wore suits. I’m all for dressing up but it should be totally divorced of what White expectations are. White people as a group do not have our best interest at heart so the narrative is always going to change. When we burn buildings down, they tell us to protest peacefully. We protest peacefully by kneeling at a football game then they say we are disrespecting the military and it’s not the right way to protest. White acceptance is the dangling carrot...unachievable. They respect violence...not suits...you know all of this already, I’m preaching to the choir. Here’s my response in the bonnet thread:


I’m fancy but for some reason I can’t even find a modicum of a fukk to give about them being in bonnets. I think it would be more jarring if they arrived at their destination, let’s say Jamaica and then were wearing bonnets on the beach there.

I travel a lot and I’m Gold Medallion with Delta and even though I’m always fly AF even at the airport I can understand someone dressing down...especially for an international flight.
 

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I am still going to go to the gym in 90 degree weather in a tank top, shorts and slides don't give a fukk.

fukk all that shyt.

I'm not going to dress extra conservative to appease non-black/wypipol.

Their own prejudices is their own personal problems.
Did you read it or just look at the pretty pictures?
 

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@ogc163 I like the first pic because the dudes dark skin makes the olive pop. You're gonna catch heat for posting the others tho :russ:
 

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Some fits that represent a more mature look while at the same time avoiding the excessive accessories/costume aesthetic.

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This is more like it! Some of these fits represent how I dress in the cooler months. All that extra goofy(can’t believe I used that word lol) stuff in the op and other posts in the thread is not necessary.
 
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