FOH.
97% of these dudes would be in a coma dealing with The Jordan Rules.
97% of these dudes would be in a coma dealing with The Jordan Rules.
Kevin Durant: Defense wasn't better in the 80s/90s, they just got away with flagrant fouls
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I'll take flagrant fouls over this
What Trae does is horrible and they need to do everything possible to ban it.
That being said, back in the day Bill Laimbeer and Dennis Rodman would regularly spend entire games foul-hunting too. They didn't get as many free throws for it because a lot of them were offensive and loose ball fouls. But they were constantly trying to exploit every possible situation in order to get a foul call.
1. Go flying to the floor with a loud scream in the most awkward way possible any time someone touches you.
2. Pressing up hard against a guy on defense, and then flop wildly when he tries to get space.
3. Making dirty hits on opposing players, then flopping when they retaliate.
4. Throwing your head in the way in rebounding situations so that it makes contact with the opponent's arm.
5. Purposely starting fights with the other team's star players so that they would get ejected or suspended
6. bytching and whining to the refs every time it didn't go their way.
Laimbeer once drew 12 fouls in a single Finals game. Half of them were flops, and half of them were legit hits because the Blazers guarding him were so fukking pissed off at Laimbeer hitting them dirty without getting called and then flopping when they barely touched him.
Laimbeer especially pisses the fukk out of me because his dad was a rich businessman and he grew up his whole life in wealthy neighborhoods and went to Notre Dame. So you have the rich White kid with a priviledged background but no athletic ability using his deceitfulness and help from the refs to gain an advantage over more talented black players. It's like a metaphor for society. (Not saying he didn't have skill, he could shoot and pass, he just had no athleticism.)
''There's always going to be a villain and I happen to be the one. You've never heard me complain about it. I'm comfortable playing this role because I know there's nothing I can do to change it. I could do all the great, humanitarian things in the world, and it still wouldn't change the way people perceive me. It's chic to bad-mouth me. It's the thing to do these days."
Goddamn that fake victimhood is something else. You still hear some of the them talk exactly like this.
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No doubt foul hunting was always a thing but never to this extent. As you posted earlier Vlade was a pioneer, brining that Euro soccer flopping mentality to the NBA, and then Ginobili and Wade made offensive flopping mainstream.
But now I feel like it's completely out of hand. Past 5 season the league made it a point to ban these fouls but like every officiating rule they try to emphasize they just abandon it 10-15 games into the season
You didn't just make that argument with a straight face.
What fukking position had better athletes in the 1980s and 1990s? Centers and power forwards were generally far slower and stiffer. There were a lot more skinny ground-bound "game manager" point guards. And swingmen were generally not as athletic (exceptions like MJ or Drexler aside) and could get away with being much more one-dimensional.
Think of the Bulls-Jazz matchup in 1998. Half of both rotations were in their mid-30s, and the youngest starters on the Bulls were Luc Longley, Toni Kukoc, and Steve Kerr. The Jazz were giving starts to Greg Ostertag and Adam Keefe, and their 2nd-best player was a 36yo 6'1" Stockton who could barely get off the ground. How the fukk were they needing to play better athletes?
Good shooting and more complex offenses requires better athletes because you need to guard far more of the court. The #1 factor pushing non-athletic game manager point guards out of the game is that you need to be a triple-threat to be an elite point or you won't get playing time, and you need to be fast enough on defense to guard those triple-threats on the other end. The #1 factor that's been pushing non-mobile centers out of the game is their inability to guard shooters. Rudy Gobert is 10x more mobile than Mark Eaton was, and even he is struggling to be a factor in today's game because of how athletic everyone on the court is required to be.
Elim Garak
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They didn't get away with flagrants the game was called to allow more physicality. That's not getting away with flagrants.
You're not giving Reggie Miller enough credit here.
But now I feel like it's completely out of hand. Past 5 season the league made it a point to ban these fouls but like every officiating rule they try to emphasize they just abandon it 10-15 games into the season
That shyt annoys me so much. They need to be able to take the refs who don't follow the new rules and relegate them to college ball or some shyt.
Illin Degenerate
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one can say that a lot of changes are for the betterment of the game but it was absolutely harder for an individual to score back then. you didnt have a restricted area and guys were willing to take charges. almost eliminating the power forward position or in some instances have what used to be power forwards playing center now along with less bigs in general makes it easier to score.
Not, it was wild uneven. You'd see Jordan shoot 15 free throws a game and half of them would be on touch fouls, then someone would get mauled on the other end and there'd be no call. I remember multiple plays where Karl Malone would swing an intentional elbow and give someone a bloody nose, and that player would be called for the foul for daring to get blood on Malone's elbow.
Elim Garak
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Hell these nikkas can't even make it through warmups.
Elim Garak
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Hell these nikkas can't even make it through warmups.
Dudes literally spraining their ankles in the warmup line on a soft uncontested layup
Whole league needs to start drinking milk at this point because they have weak minds, bones and love dry snitching on themselves on social media
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New Jeruzalem Journalist
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I don't think he meant "flagrant foul" in the literal sense of what a flagrant foul is. I think he mean "obvious" foul.
I need video evidence to support his claim that flagrant fouls were just being ignored. His quote reads like the 80s and 90s were just a live action version of Arch Rivals. Cats weren't catching blatant elbows or getting chin checked in front of the refs without getting a whistle. That's just silly.
I need video evidence to support his claim that flagrant fouls were just being ignored. His quote reads like the 80s and 90s were just a live action version of Arch Rivals. Cats weren't catching blatant elbows or getting chin checked in front of the refs without getting a whistle. That's just silly.
Teams literally have a wide open 3 every other possession. How are the schemes better?
There were two 70-point scorers this season and both are barely 6’3. It’s time to stop this myth of great defense in today’s NBA.
From the Clippers/Lakers game the other night: look how wide open the Clippers are damn near the entire game. I know, I know. Second night of a back to back. This is just an anomaly. I know, I know.
From the Clippers/Lakers game the other night: look how wide open the Clippers are damn near the entire game. I know, I know. Second night of a back to back. This is just an anomaly. I know, I know.