Kendrick Lamar - The Blacker The Berry (Prod. by Boi-1da)

[Wild self]

I'm glad that this song sparked this debate in The Booth. I see this song as "chickens come home to roost" after 25 years of exposure to various forms of destructive black music coming back to bite everyone in the ass. Since the Black Power subculture been thrown back in the underground, it is refreshing to see it FINALLY coming back and addressing all forms of injustice of black murders and every individual who partook in that shyt.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Why are you arguing points no one brought up?

A soldier would be disallowed to mourn for the dead? A soldier shouldn't expect justice if his family is harmed? Who said this?

The rules of the argument were already made. No one is talking about what he should expect or be allowed to do. All that is being discussed is the inherent hypocrisy of someone murdering innocents without mourning them or feeling bad, and then feeling upset when other innocents are murdered by another's hand. shyt doesn't go together.

No y'all keep switching the rules to create whichever narrative works for you.

Its not about murdering innocents cause that not a gangsters goal and its not what Kendrick was talking about. He's talking about gang violence.

You then implied that gangsters do kill innocents by mistake. So I asked if a soldier drops a bomb and mistakenly kills an innocent, does that then make him a hypocrite for valuing the lives of his loved ones.

You won't answer because you know the answer kills your argument.

The loss of family and friends are excluded in this conversation because that is a personal loss...even a cold blooded killer might feel emotional about that. However, if you been killing people for a good portion of your life wtf are you crying for when people on the other end of the country get killed; specifically if they died similarly to people who you've killed? No one's saying you can't, or shouldn't mourn...but there is inherent hypocrisy in doing so. You'd have to denounce that part of your life and make amends with the families of those you've killed to make me feel otherwise

Again making up your own rules, doesn't mater if its family or an unrelated black person. The overarching narrative is that black people are hypocrites for protesting for treyvon while we have violence in our own community.

That narrative is wrong on so many levels and has been being pushed by oppressors since the beginning of civilization. Even though it sounds logical on the surface level, its not something we should be repeating.

 

[DaveyDave]

Good choices

Gyptian still has some of my favorite conscious records....Got a unique voice and he dope with the melodys,hiphop should show em some love.

auto tuned Reggae breh!? can't get with that

 

[Samuel Jackson]

I guarantee that if Kendrick keeps dropping music like this... his career won't stay on the upward trajectory it has been.

That's the first thing that came to my mind even when I first saw that "Untitled" performance.

Then I thought it again when I read a recent article on his strong Christian faith...

The powers that be in the music industry will not let him get too big... because their primary aim is to spread negativity through music and the media.

You'll notice that the majority of post 2000 music (especially pop, what's left of R&B and hip hop) rarely has an empowering message... it mostly pushes sex, drugs, murder, hate, self-worship and materialism.

We've seen it happen before... watch, it will happen again.

 

[Ziggiy]

This was absolutely fantastic. Kendrick on his Nasir circa 2008 Black Rage shyt

 

[The_King_of_Everything]

This song is great to workout to

 

[The ADD]

 

[JMurder]

No y'all keep switching the rules to create whichever narrative works for you.

Its not about murdering innocents cause that not a gangsters goal and its not what Kendrick was talking about. He's talking about gang violence.

Right

You then implied that gangsters do kill innocents by mistake. So I asked if a soldier drops a bomb and mistakenly kills an innocent, does that then make him a hypocrite for valuing the lives of his loved ones.

I didn't imply anything. I said they kill innocents period. There is precedence for innocents to be purposely murdered. Getting rid of witnesses...gang initiation...etc. So what you're talking about has no bearing on anything

You won't answer because you know the answer kills your argument.




Again making up your own rules, doesn't mater if its family or an unrelated black person. The overarching narrative is that black people are hypocrites for protesting for treyvon while we have violence in our own community.

That narrative is wrong on so many levels and has been being pushed by oppressors since the beginning of civilization. Even though it sounds logical on the surface level, its not something we should be repeating.

I'm just gonna let you rock breh

 

[JMurder]

auto tuned Reggae breh!? can't get with that

Say hello to 2009 breh

 

[JMurder]

Can't wait til a lot of you dumb nikkas learn that education is important so you can stop setting back black progress in the name of black progress.

nikka tells you "We can't expect them to respect us when we don't even respect ourselves" and call him a c00n cause he's saying we need to respect ourselves so the white man can stop killing us.

nikka tells you "I've killed black folk for no reason at all, so how dare I get judgmental when they kill black folk."

The message doesn't get sent when you only sometimes love your people...you either love them or you don't. All white people aren't evil. Even the brother Malcolm X figured this out before he died but a lot of you are still acting like it's the 60's and you can't go outside without being repressed by a white man. Martin Luther King Jr. preached equality above all, but he still wanted it to be known that if we can't get it we'll fight for it. You nikkas need to figure out the right way instead of calling other black men c00ns for saying intelligent shyt that you don't agree with.

Can't really disagree. Hope this is what Kendrick meant.

Why do you feel like that? I get a different vibe from "I" than I do from Happy.

I personally think we need more "I love myself" music from black artists

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Can't wait til a lot of you dumb nikkas learn that education is important so you can stop setting back black progress in the name of black progress.

nikka tells you "We can't expect them to respect us when we don't even respect ourselves" and call him a c00n cause he's saying we need to respect ourselves so the white man can stop killing us.

That's the thing dudes like you just don't understand. Hate and racism has absolutely nothing to do with black people's actions. Has nothing to do with "respecting ourselves"

Repeating centuries old racist justification is absolutely not "black progress". People such as yourself should learn that you will NEVER gain true knowledge from books in school. They leave the real stuff out on purpose.

nikka tells you "I've killed black folk for no reason at all, so how dare I get judgmental when they kill black folk."

He has not killed black people. He didn't literally mean killing a black person himself. He's talking about violence in our community in genral. It goes in hand with the above statement.

The message doesn't get sent when you only sometimes love your people...you either love them or you don't. All white people aren't evil. Even the brother Malcolm X figured this out before he died but a lot of you are still acting like it's the 60's and you can't go outside without being repressed by a white man. Martin Luther King Jr. preached equality above all, but he still wanted it to be known that if we can't get it we'll fight for it. You nikkas need to figure out the right way instead of calling other black men c00ns for saying intelligent shyt that you don't agree with.

Nobody said all white people are evil

Martin Luther King was called thug arrested, beaten, and killed despite the fact that he was very intellegent, dignified, and respected the hell out of himself and others. Racism does not come from us, it is not our responsibility nore is it possible for us to stop it by changing our actions.

You think Zimmerman checked with travon first to see if he respected himself?

And no I can't walk out of my house and not be oppressed by the white man. My wage is lower due to my skin. I have to be fearful of the cops or other white people being suspicious of me, due to my skin. My parents were given a terrible start, which in turn puts me in debt before I even get started with my adult life, due to their skin color, which unfortunately I will pass on to my kids. And the list goes on. No its not 1960 its 2015 and racism/oppression are alive and well albeit in different forms.

Saying "things like mike brown wouldn't happen if we respected ourselves" is in no way intellegent. It is a cancer of the mind, a symptom of being oppressed for hundreds of years. Blaming yourself for others hate. Its like if a battered wife tells herself "well if I had just cleaned those dishes a little better......." NO he woulda found a reason to kick your ass anyway.

 

[MostHatedBox]

No y'all keep switching the rules to create whichever narrative works for you.

Its not about murdering innocents cause that not a gangsters goal and its not what Kendrick was talking about. He's talking about gang violence.

You then implied that gangsters do kill innocents by mistake. So I asked if a soldier drops a bomb and mistakenly kills an innocent, does that then make him a hypocrite for valuing the lives of his loved ones.

You won't answer because you know the answer kills your argument.



Again making up your own rules, doesn't mater if its family or an unrelated black person. The overarching narrative is that black people are hypocrites for protesting for treyvon while we have violence in our own community.

That narrative is wrong on so many levels and has been being pushed by oppressors since the beginning of civilization. Even though it sounds logical on the surface level, its not something we should be repeating.

You're killing your own argument. Innocents are beaten up, robbed, or victims of shootings daily if walking in the wrong neighborhood at the wrong time. They're seen as "easy prey" for money and jewelry especially if some young brother is trying to earn stripes and get initiated and the other is wearing the wrong hats or colors. Gang lifestyle is seen as a form of culture in many areas of Cali and that is the huge problem! But compare gang lifestyle to serving your country brehs

Where in the Blacker The Berry is that the narrative? He's talking about gang members more specifically himself! All black people in the community can't relate to this. The only black people that can relate to it are gang members that have killed another black male. Kendrick didn't even state if that other black male was a gang member. It could've been a rumored gang member or a random civilian in the wrong colors while he's riding in that white toyota with orange soda. You're reaching breh trying to tell a rapper from Compton not to address his community on the violence that has made him what he is today. But he should be protesting with the innocent mourning families and members of the community on the other side of the country?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

You're killing your own argument. Innocents are beaten up, robbed, or victims of shootings daily if walking in the wrong neighborhood at the wrong time. They're seen as "easy prey" for money and jewelry especially if some young brother is trying to earn stripes and get initiated and the other is wearing the wrong hats or colors. Gang lifestyle is seen as a form of culture in many areas of Cali and that is the huge problem! But compare gang lifestyle to serving your country brehs

A gangster has much more in common with a soldier than the average black American.

And the overwhelming majority of gang violence is enacted between gang members. For the most part they aren't attacking innocent people. That's just untrue, and you have no idea what you are talking about if you claim otherwise.

Where in the Blacker The Berry is that the narrative? He's talking about gang members more specifically himself! All black people in the community can't relate to this. The only black people that can relate to it are gang members that have killed another black male. Kendrick didn't even state if that other black male was a gang member. It could've been a rumored gang member or a random civilian in the wrong colors while he's riding in that white toyota with orange soda. You're reaching breh trying to tell a rapper from Compton not to address his community on the violence that has made him what he is today. But he should be protesting with the innocent mourning families and members of the community on the other side of the country?

Kendrick is no gangbanger. He's not killing people. He's not talking about gang members. Those tweets y'all posted from "mr coats" acknowledge that. He's talking about all of us.

And for the last time state sanctioned violence and gang violence are two totally seperate issues. He could have addressed the "violence that made him what he is" without talking about state sanctioned violence. To conflate the two issues is to diminish the message about either

 

[Jack Don the G]

People in here more upset by a line about a fictional bang banger character then white people is about that black as a heart of an Aryan line

 

[MostHatedBox]

Rumored tracklist going around

KENDRICK LAMAR - CROOKED SAVANT (MARCH 2015)

1. A Crooked Savant - 3:47
produced by Sounwave, co-produced by Alchemist & Thundercat

2. Monolith Theory (Take 'Em Out) - 4:17
produced by DJ Premier & Flying Lotus, co-produced by Thundercat

3. Symphony of the Beast - 4:51
produced by Dr. Dre & Flying Lotus, co-produced by Alchemist, DJ Premier, & Thundercat

4. Cryptic - 3:46
produced by DJ Premier, co-produced by Sounwave

5. Reside Away - 3:54
produced by KOZ, co-produced by Flying Lotus

6. The Blacker the Berry - 5:32
produced by Boi-1da & KOZ, co-produced by Terrace Martin
additional vocals by a$sassin

7. King Kunta - 5:01
produced by Sounwave, co-produced by Thundercat

8. i - 3:51
produced by Rahki, co-produced by Thundercat

9. Way The Wind Blows - 4:02
produced by DJ Premier, co-produced by Alchemist

10. The Generation's Rhetoric - 3:59
produced by Rahki, co-produced by Dr. Dre, Flying Lotus, & Thundercat

11. To Summon Hostility - 4:12
produced by Thundercat, co-produced by DJ Premier

12. Superficial Culture - 5:30
produced by Dr. Dre & Terrace Martin

13. Fear These Streets - 4:21
produced by Boi-1da & KOZ, co-produced by Sounwave

14. Venomous - 3:27
produced by Rahki, co-produced by Flying Lotus

15. Black Mamba - 5:36
produced by Alchemist, co-produced by DJ Mustard, Terrace Martin, & Thundercat
additional vocals by Pete Rock

16. Vanity Bars (ft. Ab-Soul) - 4:32
produced by Alchemist, Dr. Dre, & Flying Lotus

17. Peace of Mind (Multiply) - 4:38
produced by Astronote & Terrace Martin, co-produced by Thundercat
additional vocals by Anna Wise

18. Abstract Soldier (ft. George Clinton) - 5:44
produced by Dr. Dre & Thundercat, co-produced by Sounwave