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So gangbangers set out to kill innocent people?
Kendrick Lamar - The Blacker The Berry (Prod. by Boi-1da)
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So gangbangers set out to kill innocent people?
JMurder
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That's not what you said.
Dude said it would be hypocritical if the vet killed people who would've done no harm to their family (innocent people as you've claimed). You said gangbangers don't do that. No...they don't set out to kill innocent people...but for various reasons they will kill innocent people who would've done no harm to their family.
So if a soldier drops a bomb on the bad guys and a civilian gets killed, is he then forever disallowed to mourn for the dead or expect justice if his family is harmed?
And furthermore 99% of the people American soldiers are killing pose absolutely no threat to their family at home.
So by your guys line of thinking all American soldiers are hypocrites.
What does this have to do with "The Blacker The Berry"? You're just arguing to argue breh.
Kendrick Lamar Is Not a Hypocrite
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/02/kendrick-lamar-is-not-a-hypocrite/385384/
His new song, "The Blacker the Berry," is as much about internal struggle as it is a political statement.
“I'm not on the outside looking in, I'm not on the inside looking out,” Kendrick Lamar says toward the end of his debut album, 2011’s Section.80. “I'm in the dead fukking center, looking around.”
It’s a good mission statement for the 27-year-old Compton rapper, who some say is the new king of hip-hop. It’s a good mission statement for anyone, really—the reminder that your point of view is your point of view, irreducible and distinct. And it’s a line that comes to mind listening to Lamar's new track, “The Blacker the Berry,” which in less than 24 hours racked up more than a million streams, was knighted as an early contender for song of the year, and sparked controversy related to the Black Lives Matter movement.
At the age of 16, Lamar as the song's narrator says he “came to [his] senses”—an awakening of racial consciousness, the realization that powerful parts of America hate him. The response is defiance and pride, delivered with creative venom that made headline writers scramble for to find synonyms for “pissed off” (it’s “blistering,” “scathing,” “seething”)—
I'm African American, I'm African
I'm black as the heart of a fukkin' Aryan
I'm black as the name of Tyrone and Darius
Excuse my French but fukk you—no, fukk y'all
That's as blunt as it gets, I know you hate me, don't you?
“As blunt as it gets,” yes. This is no-filter, cathartic venting, part of a long tradition that includes Public Enemy and Kanye West. In one devastatingly concise couplet, Lamar describes the psychological baggage placed on so many black men: “I mean, it's evident that I'm irrelevant to society. That's what you're telling me: Penitentiary would only hire me.” His only solace is the classic hip-hop kind: trumpeting his blackness and flaunting his personal success, calling himself a "proud monkey" driving a “muscle car like pull ups.”
But there’s a twist at the end of the song. At the beginning of each verse he confesses to being “the biggest hypocrite of 2015,” but we don't understand what he means till the closing words: “So why did I weep when Trayvon Martin was in the street, when gang banging make me kill a nikka blacker than me? Hypocrite!” The surface message: The narrator of the song has killed black people: What right does he have to be mad at whites who have done the same?
It’s a shocking line. Echoing divisive comments Lamar made to Billboard recently (“What happened to [Michael Brown] should've never happened. Never. But when we don't have respect for ourselves, how do we expect them to respect us?”), it at first comes across like an attempt to invalidate complaints about police aggression in Ferguson and elsewhere by raising the issue of “black-on-black crime.” Which is an empty attempt to change the subject, Ta-Nehisi Coates and others have argued:
People tend to kill the people they live around. Black people are among the most hyper-segregated group in the country. The fact that black killers tend to kill other black people is not refutation of American racism, but the ultimate statement of American racism
Does Lamar get this? Some listeners worry not. Shortly after the track hit the Internet, BuzzFeed's Joel D. Anderson tweeted that "the last line of the new Kendrick joint is the same jazz Darren Wilson supporters were spitting at protesters," referencing the man who shot Michael Brown. Today, Stereo Williams writes at The Daily Beast that it's a "great song" that's "derailed by a misguided intention … If there is a hypocrisy, doesn’t it fall on those who would use gang violence to silence public outrage against oppression while ignoring the fact that the gang violence is also a product of that same racist oppression?”
There are other interpretations, though. Complex's Justin Charity hears Lamar as "wondering whether police brutality and gang violence aren't overlapping tragedies." And at Genius.com, Michael Chabon (yes, that Michael Chabon) suggests that the final couplet makes listeners “consider the possibility that ‘hypocrisy’ is, in certain situations, a much more complicated moral position than is generally allowed, and perhaps an inevitable one.” This reading lines up with the rest of Lamar’s output, from that “dead fukking center” lyric I mentioned to the narratives on 2012's Good Kid, M.A.A.D. City, where he continually insists that he’s the good kid of the album title even as he's dragged into a world of drugs and crime. Ambiguity and internal conflict are as much his muses as inner-city life is.
But those muses don’t have to be separate, and the most interesting interpretation of “The Blacker the Berry” comes from fusing them. Lamar has long rapped about loving yourself in a culture that degrades you, but he's exploring that theme more and more lately, it seems. His recent single “I” was a jaunty self-affirmation that struck some listeners as corny and others—Grammy voters—as charming. Though the song's Isley Brothers sample makes it seem breezy, Lamar has said in interviews that the track's supposed to be a tool to use against one's own self-hatred; it's not an expression of contentment, but of struggle.
“The Blacker the Berry” is a grimmer take on the same idea. The narrator of the song wants to show off black pride as fiercely as he can, and yet the memory of his past actions are getting in the way. Listen to the whole song (“you made me a killer” he snarls at the end of the first verse) or to the rest of his catalogue, and it seems pretty clear Lamar would say that those actions in large part were caused by a racist system. But that doesn’t change the fact that they happened, and that they come to mind when he talks about black lives mattering. The Lamar of "The Blacker the Berry" may not be a hypocrite, but world has made him to feel like one.
Even if I'm not getting Lamar's intention's exactly right, it seems safe to assume that he's not trying to lecture anybody. After all, “The Blacker the Berry” ends with a question: Why? The rest of the lyrics do provide an answer, and it’s a painful one.
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/02/kendrick-lamar-is-not-a-hypocrite/385384/
His new song, "The Blacker the Berry," is as much about internal struggle as it is a political statement.
“I'm not on the outside looking in, I'm not on the inside looking out,” Kendrick Lamar says toward the end of his debut album, 2011’s Section.80. “I'm in the dead fukking center, looking around.”
It’s a good mission statement for the 27-year-old Compton rapper, who some say is the new king of hip-hop. It’s a good mission statement for anyone, really—the reminder that your point of view is your point of view, irreducible and distinct. And it’s a line that comes to mind listening to Lamar's new track, “The Blacker the Berry,” which in less than 24 hours racked up more than a million streams, was knighted as an early contender for song of the year, and sparked controversy related to the Black Lives Matter movement.
At the age of 16, Lamar as the song's narrator says he “came to [his] senses”—an awakening of racial consciousness, the realization that powerful parts of America hate him. The response is defiance and pride, delivered with creative venom that made headline writers scramble for to find synonyms for “pissed off” (it’s “blistering,” “scathing,” “seething”)—
I'm African American, I'm African
I'm black as the heart of a fukkin' Aryan
I'm black as the name of Tyrone and Darius
Excuse my French but fukk you—no, fukk y'all
That's as blunt as it gets, I know you hate me, don't you?
“As blunt as it gets,” yes. This is no-filter, cathartic venting, part of a long tradition that includes Public Enemy and Kanye West. In one devastatingly concise couplet, Lamar describes the psychological baggage placed on so many black men: “I mean, it's evident that I'm irrelevant to society. That's what you're telling me: Penitentiary would only hire me.” His only solace is the classic hip-hop kind: trumpeting his blackness and flaunting his personal success, calling himself a "proud monkey" driving a “muscle car like pull ups.”
But there’s a twist at the end of the song. At the beginning of each verse he confesses to being “the biggest hypocrite of 2015,” but we don't understand what he means till the closing words: “So why did I weep when Trayvon Martin was in the street, when gang banging make me kill a nikka blacker than me? Hypocrite!” The surface message: The narrator of the song has killed black people: What right does he have to be mad at whites who have done the same?
It’s a shocking line. Echoing divisive comments Lamar made to Billboard recently (“What happened to [Michael Brown] should've never happened. Never. But when we don't have respect for ourselves, how do we expect them to respect us?”), it at first comes across like an attempt to invalidate complaints about police aggression in Ferguson and elsewhere by raising the issue of “black-on-black crime.” Which is an empty attempt to change the subject, Ta-Nehisi Coates and others have argued:
People tend to kill the people they live around. Black people are among the most hyper-segregated group in the country. The fact that black killers tend to kill other black people is not refutation of American racism, but the ultimate statement of American racism
Does Lamar get this? Some listeners worry not. Shortly after the track hit the Internet, BuzzFeed's Joel D. Anderson tweeted that "the last line of the new Kendrick joint is the same jazz Darren Wilson supporters were spitting at protesters," referencing the man who shot Michael Brown. Today, Stereo Williams writes at The Daily Beast that it's a "great song" that's "derailed by a misguided intention … If there is a hypocrisy, doesn’t it fall on those who would use gang violence to silence public outrage against oppression while ignoring the fact that the gang violence is also a product of that same racist oppression?”
There are other interpretations, though. Complex's Justin Charity hears Lamar as "wondering whether police brutality and gang violence aren't overlapping tragedies." And at Genius.com, Michael Chabon (yes, that Michael Chabon) suggests that the final couplet makes listeners “consider the possibility that ‘hypocrisy’ is, in certain situations, a much more complicated moral position than is generally allowed, and perhaps an inevitable one.” This reading lines up with the rest of Lamar’s output, from that “dead fukking center” lyric I mentioned to the narratives on 2012's Good Kid, M.A.A.D. City, where he continually insists that he’s the good kid of the album title even as he's dragged into a world of drugs and crime. Ambiguity and internal conflict are as much his muses as inner-city life is.
But those muses don’t have to be separate, and the most interesting interpretation of “The Blacker the Berry” comes from fusing them. Lamar has long rapped about loving yourself in a culture that degrades you, but he's exploring that theme more and more lately, it seems. His recent single “I” was a jaunty self-affirmation that struck some listeners as corny and others—Grammy voters—as charming. Though the song's Isley Brothers sample makes it seem breezy, Lamar has said in interviews that the track's supposed to be a tool to use against one's own self-hatred; it's not an expression of contentment, but of struggle.
“The Blacker the Berry” is a grimmer take on the same idea. The narrator of the song wants to show off black pride as fiercely as he can, and yet the memory of his past actions are getting in the way. Listen to the whole song (“you made me a killer” he snarls at the end of the first verse) or to the rest of his catalogue, and it seems pretty clear Lamar would say that those actions in large part were caused by a racist system. But that doesn’t change the fact that they happened, and that they come to mind when he talks about black lives mattering. The Lamar of "The Blacker the Berry" may not be a hypocrite, but world has made him to feel like one.
Even if I'm not getting Lamar's intention's exactly right, it seems safe to assume that he's not trying to lecture anybody. After all, “The Blacker the Berry” ends with a question: Why? The rest of the lyrics do provide an answer, and it’s a painful one.
Just shut the fukk up you been repeating yourself all throughout this thread. Agree to disagree nikka, keep it moving.
You're arguing for the sake of argument
Reality is that way nikkago get some p*ssy
You get keep quoting me nikka, you go get some p*ssy
my p*ssy live with me
you not in reality because your stretching your imagination to make excuses for this nikka when he already said he felt in that interiew
I'm repeating same thing because yall say some shyt over and over again, and never answer the question
It has everything to do with it. Y'all and Kendrick are saying a person is a hypocrite for killing then expecting their family to go unharmed. So I'm asking if that line of thinking holds true accross the board or just for black folks.
Kendrick is speaking from his own perspective and is wondering why and how he can feel so bad for a black life lost and also have caused the same pain for someone else. It has nothing to do with families going unharmed or whatever you keep mentioning. I've never killed anyone let alone another African so I can't truly grasp the double standard. But I do feel as if this holds true across the board for any race of people.
Kendrick has never killed anybody either. He's talking about black people in general.
You know this how?
8====D
¡Vamos Spurs Vamos!
half of the kendrick haters/coli smuts wasnt even thinking about trayvon before k.dot released this track, but now all the sudden you nıggas is black activist? 
to kendrick and 
to the haters.
to kendrick and to the haters.
FrederickDouglas
All Star
Breh, you're right. Think if everybody loved themselves...there would be no more war! World peace!
You made the assertion nikka back it up with your facts. Onus is on you