Kendrick Lamar is amazing but Lupe Fiasco's concepts,metaphors,swag would trample him - Mickey Factz

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I believe when someone is a "manifestation" of someone they display one or more of the qualities of that person at a high level. I don't think Lupe displays any of those Nas and Jay qualities you listed proficient enough to be called a manifestation of either one of them solely, let alone both. He does too much. Saying he's the manifestation of every horrible underground backpack rapper from the late 90's/early 2000's is more accurate.
Lol. nikka go listen to Pressure. U cant stand this dude and it’s severely blinding ur objectivity. Lupe was NOT always a backpack rapper. nikka has hit records and certified album. U trippin.
Backpack rappers dont make shyt like this.



Or this.
 
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Lol. nikka go listen to Pressure. U cant stand this dude and it’s severely blinding ur objectivity. Lupe was NOT always a backpack rapper. nikka has hit records and certified album. U trippin.
Backpack rappers dont make shyt like this.




We a loooooong way from lite caesar Lupe, homie. The Lupe I'm referring to is this new incarnation. This corny try hard version should in no way, shape, fashion or form be compared to Nas or Jay. Matter of fact I find it kind of disrespectful everytime one of his stans try to legitimize his overly arabesque, boring rhymes by referencing Nas. This dude doesn't even remotely rhyme or sound anything like Nas. Don't care what literary tools he incorporates in his rhymes, spliz.
 

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We a loooooong way from short caesar Lupe, homie. The Lupe I'm referring to is this new incarnation. This corny try hard version should in no way, shape, fashion or form be compared to Nas or Jay. Matter of fact I find it kind of disrespectful everytime one of his stans try to legitimize his overly arabesque, boring rhymes by referencing Nas. This dude doesn't even remotely rhyme or sound anything like Nas. Don't care what literary tools he incorporates in his rhymes, spliz.
nikka Regardless of what u think he’s doing NOW. Dude STILL is more an incarnation of them 2 dudes. He may be more extreme and cryptic now than he’s ever been. But at his core. Those are his 2 main influences and that’s who he got his style from. nikka strip Lupe’s voice from his verse on Pressure and add Jay’s voice and u will see what im talkin bout. But one thing im not gonna do. Is argue back n forth with someone who cant be objective to the point they can’t see the forest from the trees. I never said he was as good as them. I said he got his style from being a manisfestion of both. Especially IWW Nas. Which is why I find it funny that he suddenly said what he said about IWW vs Illmatic on Twitter a couple days ago being that he’s dikkrode that album for the whole first half of his career. nikka would perform Nas verses at his concerts.
 
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This conversation jumped the shark real quick :snoop:

I’m a huge fan of both rappers and I can easily say that Lupe is the better rapper but Kendrick is currently a better artist. It’s not really that hard to digest tbh. Anyone that thinks Lupe is wack is intentionally being obtuse.

And the whole “we don’t care about literary techniques” angle is the kind of shyt that prevents rap from getting the respect it properly deserves. These guys are out here putting words together better than a lot of the historically celebrated poets but they’ll never get their respect if we keep them in the “Just shut up and rap” box.

Yeah this angle makes nikkas sound really dumb and proud of it ... “we don’t need no literary tools in literature nikka! FOH with that geek shyt!!” :deadrose:
 

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nikka Regardless of what u think he’s doing NOW. Dude STILL is more an incarnation of them 2 dudes. He may be more extreme and cryptic now than he’s ever been. But at his core. Those are his 2 main influences and that’s who he got his style from. nikka strip Lupe’s voice from his verse on Pressure and add Jay’s voice and u will see what im talkin bout.

The conversation was focused on how Lupe rhymes NOW opposed to Kendrick Lamar. NOW the dude is washed. I see some similarities in the old Lupe but to say current Lupe is a manifestation of two of the greatest MCs of all time is more than ridiculous. He has the ability to be a top notch MC and lyricist but he's relegated himself to be a back rapper caricature. I don't see how a professed Nas fan doesn't laugh at someone trying to make a Lupe/Nas comparison.
 

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The conversation was focused on how Lupe rhymes NOW opposed to Kendrick Lamar. NOW the dude is washed. I see some similarities in the old Lupe but to say current Lupe is a manifestation of two of the greatest MCs of all time is more than ridiculous. He has the ability to be a top notch MC and lyricist but he's relegated himself to be a back rapper caricature. I don't see how a professed Nas fan doesn't laugh at someone trying to make a Lupe/Nas comparison.
I dont see how a professed Nas fan can laugh at the comparison. Cause it’s clearly there if u actually listen to both artists. Jay too. See. I can recognize influence without actin like the nikka is better than the people he’s influenced by. I said he’s more cryptic now. But listen to some shyt like this which is around when Control came out. Tell me this don’t sound Jay influenced. ANYBODY can hear it who listens.
 

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Yeah this angle makes nikkas sound really dumb and proud of it ... “we don’t need no literary tools in literature nikka! FOH with that geek shyt!!” :deadrose:

I see the slight at the God. Next time @ me. I NEVER said rappers shouldn't use literary tools in rap. They do and they almost HAVE TO to make a good rap record. What I'm saying is that you have to be astute at using them to make a record that resonates. Being able to use them succinctly is a gift that many rappers don't have. How many times did I point out that a MC like Biggie, Pac or Ghost is much more superior than a rapper like Lupe because they are more skilled at using those tools? Again...I NEVER said rappers shouldn't use literary tools.

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Mickey is right but that dont mean Kendrick isn't Top Tier as Lupe (My favorite rapper) said.
 

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We a loooooong way from lite caesar Lupe, homie. The Lupe I'm referring to is this new incarnation. This corny try hard version should in no way, shape, fashion or form be compared to Nas or Jay. Matter of fact I find it kind of disrespectful everytime one of his stans try to legitimize his overly arabesque, boring rhymes by referencing Nas. This dude doesn't even remotely rhyme or sound anything like Nas. Don't care what literary tools he incorporates in his rhymes, spliz.

The closest comparison for Lupe and how he structures his raps is Jay-Z
the Nas comparisons don't really make any sense whatsoever.
With that said I think it's time we bring back this beautiful thread and post by
The Coli's own @Walt


I don't really care about Lupe in either direction, love or hate. His music doesn't do a lot for me, and I tend to forget he exists until I'm reminded by one of his pseudo-intellectual outbursts about a societal issue, one of the numerous threads about his puerile trolling on twitter, or his fervent stans declaring him the greatest, smartest, most lyrically complex rapper in history.

But I took notice when this new album came out, because I hadn't seen such over-the-top, ludicrous reactions from a stanbase to a rap album's transcendent brilliance since the Killah Priest album, where people were levitating and unlocking ancient philosophical secrets mid-thread.

So I downloaded the album, listened to it 7 times (the first 3 so I could genuinely develop an opinion on how good the album was; the final 4 because two things about the album were truly enjoyable for me - the production and the laugh-out-loud goofiness of some of the self-indulgent, faux-deep lyrics), and decided to make a post in the official thread that was so absurd and nonsensical that it was meant to serve as a parody of just how ridiculous the stan reviews of the album were... but people actually dapped it. Because the stanbase has gone so cultishly overboard with this fukking album, that my parody post seemed par for the course, really. Never mind the stupid ass Matryoshka Doll analogy I made up on the spot; the cliche references I make to ancient, dead languages and symbols; nor the bold and baseless claim I make about Lupe inventing the quintuple entendre and boiling complex philosophical and mathematical concepts down to their essence in a simple rhyming couplet. What really blew my mind is I cited some of the worst lyrics on the album as examples of Lupe's genius, and no one batted an eye. Truly, if any other rapper had the gall to spit "such is life: odd as egg mcmuffins at night" cats would mock him endlessly. "Slippin like permission?" "Trippin like field?" This is complex lyricism? Sounds like filler in a battle rap round that would elicit groans from the audience.

Here's the post:
I can't stop playing it, man. It's like Nas, Canibus, Twista, and Mos Def merged into one man. there's nothing Lupe can't do with words. Modern day heiroglyphics and sanskrit combined. :wow:

The album is like a musical matryoshka doll:

Semenov_Traditional_Nesting_Doll_2.jpg


From Wikipedia: also known as Russian nesting doll, refers to a set of wooden dolls of decreasing size placed one inside the other. The first Russian nested doll set was carved in 1890 by Vasily Zvyozdochkin from a design by Sergey Malyutin, who was a folk crafts painter at Abramtsevo. Traditionally the outer layer is a woman, dressed in a sarafan, a long and shapeless traditional Russian peasant jumper dress. The figures inside may be of either gender; the smallest, innermost doll is typically a baby turned from a single piece of wood. Much of the artistry is in the painting of each doll, which can be very elaborate. The dolls often follow a theme; the themes vary, from fairy tale characters to Soviet leaders.

When you play the album backward, you get the analogy perfectly: each song is a complete statement by itself, but as you continue to play the songs it becomes clear they each fit inside the next, building to a bigger magnificent whole. The other similarities are clear: the artistic intricacy; the layers, the complex representations of gender ("Little Death"), each doll following a theme...

When you play the album forward it's as if Lupe tranformed the rap game into a video game of his own song, and on the final song he beats the entire game... Proceed to the next level, indeed. :damn:

This is the first album I've heard that has quintuple entendres... there are complicated mathematical and linguistic theories boiled down to their essence in couplets... I honestly think someone could write a 250 page book of critical essays on the themes and theories explored on these songs. shyt is just :mindblown:

"Such is life: odd as Egg McMuffins at night..." :ohlawd: Lupe manages to connect inflexible moral codes of love and marriage to the absurdity of time-specific divisions of meals, and the hypocrisy of puritannical values as well as fast food industry practices. "is it slippin' like permission? Am I trippin' like field." Lupe had me feeling like a child again, connecting his confusion over love, religion, and politics to those childhood recollections of school that wash over us like a fever-dream.
:blessed:


I mean, how the fukk could anyone take that post seriously?

And then there's the unlistenable self-indulgence of Mural:

"And not rain like, rain man or like rain dance
Or rain like a slight chance of rain when it's raining
Or rein like deer slaves to Santa Claus sleigh man
But reign like Queens that reign over made man
And not Queen like Queen killer
Rhapsody bohemian Queen
But Queen like white glove wave hand
And not wave hand like it's a heat wave
So you make a fan by waving your hand
I'm talking wave like you saying "hey"
Man, and not hay for horses..."

:snooze:

Production on this joint is dope though. And I'm happy his stans got an album without embarrassing reinterpretations of Modest Mouse choruses. I won't be keeping this rambling bullshyt in rotation at all.

:manny:


For anyone who's new to The Coli this Lupe dikk Riding is not a new phenomenon
it was even worse on the site we all jumped ship from:hamster: And it's gotten to the
point we can't have a coherent discussion about Lyricism in Hip-Hop music or even discuss
the weaker aspects of Lupe's writing without being called "Haters" or "Stans".
 

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The closest comparison for Lupe and how he structures his raps is Jay-Z
the Nas comparisons don't really make any sense whatsoever.
With that said I think it's time we bring back this beautiful thread and post by
The Coli's own @Walt





For anyone who's new to The Coli this Lupe dikk Riding is not a new phenomenon
it was even worse on the site we all jumped ship from:hamster: And it's gotten to the
point we can't have a coherent discussion about Lyricism in Hip-Hop music or even discuss
the weaker aspects of Lupe's writing without being called "Haters" or "Stans".
Yes they make perfect sense. Noone says he SOUNDS like Nas. And that’s what I think ur looking for. But u can clearly tell he’s influenced by Nas. He will tell u this and he has said it himself. And I think he would know. And I can apply that shyt Walt said to a whole lot of fanbases on the Coli. Yea. nikkas DO be wildin when talkin bout Lu sometimes. But same goes for alotta MORE undeserving nikkas on this site.
 

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The closest comparison for Lupe and how he structures his raps is Jay-Z
the Nas comparisons don't really make any sense whatsoever.
With that said I think it's time we bring back this beautiful thread and post by
The Coli's own @Walt





For anyone who's new to The Coli this Lupe dikk Riding is not a new phenomenon
it was even worse on the site we all jumped ship from:hamster: And it's gotten to the
point we can't have a coherent discussion about Lyricism in Hip-Hop music or even discuss
the weaker aspects of Lupe's writing without being called "Haters" or "Stans".


Wow, that was beautiful and soooo on point. I gotta go to a Walt post and rep him. Legendary.
 

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Kendrick's discography is top 10 all time for me. But brehs is really in here shytting on Tetsuo & Youth? :what:
 
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