Kendrick is the biggest plant we've ever seen (a big leafy summabytch)

[SirBiatch]

i understand what youre saying but kendrick already had a pretty good fan base before the dr dre cosign, i for one was a kendrick fan before that. OD was had a lot of buzz on the blogs

No it didn't. I already covered this. in 2010, the hip hop community at large had no idea who Kendrick Lamar was because they were too busy listening to Kush and OJ and Friday Night Lights, among others.

You're acting as though he released the top mixtape of the year and everyone was talking about it. It's just not true.

Unless you can prove it. Do you have links to show major blog coverage on OD?

but his fanbase really started to form around the kendrick lamar ep. he was doing shows around that time. a$ap literally had nothing, and basically started off in the mainstream with little to no past material, no one knew who he was. that to me is a bigger industry plant.

ASAP Rocky had zero material. So what? You're still not explaining why that's such a bad thing. Doesn't it prove that his material was so fukking unique and stellar it put him on overnight? When was the last time that ever happened in rap? Shouldn't we be championing brilliant projects like that and asking for more from aspiring artists?

So you're saying he should have been in the game longer, releasing shyt material until getting put on? so as to justify his existence? That shyt is so played out to me.

It doesn't bother me that a record label signed an unknown and that unknown happened to have incredible music. I wish more labels did that to be honest. Instead of wasting my time with garbage mixtapes.

Which is more plant-ish? A label plucking Rocky out of obscurity, or a label + DR DRE/Entire West Coast plucking Kendrick out of obscurity?

and rocky did have one major cosign, which was drake. drake helped both kendrick's and asap's career.

What's the timeline on Drake's cosign?

This is the first time I even heard of Drake cosigning Rocky. And it was weeks after Live.Love.ASAP had already come out. So again, no major rapper cosigned Rocky before Live.Love.ASAP.



Besides, Drake is NOT Dre. By a long shot. And Dre was around before Section 80.

Obviously Kendrick got way more watering. This isn't even debatable. And yes, Drake helped both Rocky and Kendrick's careers.

 

[director_of_bands]

Kendrick's music is point blank period...thread title got me ....Kendirick on mmg's Power Circle is still

 

[ISO]

What would you say are the standout lines in this song?

It's a great song top to bottom the Kweli and Common line was one of the dopesters lines to me...

Do you think the song is trash?

 

[Mowgli]

I wish all plants could rap like this and be apart of music like this.

 

[Mowgli]

No it didn't. I already covered this. in 2010, the hip hop community at large had no idea who Kendrick Lamar was because they were too busy listening to Kush and OJ and Friday Night Lights, among others.

You're acting as though he released the top mixtape of the year and everyone was talking about it. It's just not true.

Unless you can prove it. Do you have links to show major blog coverage on OD?



ASAP Rocky had zero material. So what? You're still not explaining why that's such a bad thing. Doesn't it prove that his material was so fukking unique and stellar it put him on overnight? When was the last time that ever happened in rap? Shouldn't we be championing brilliant projects like that and asking for more from aspiring artists?

So you're saying he should have been in the game longer, releasing shyt material until getting put on? so as to justify his existence? That shyt is so played out to me.

It doesn't bother me that a record label signed an unknown and that unknown happened to have incredible music. I wish more labels did that to be honest. Instead of wasting my time with garbage mixtapes.

Which is more plant-ish? A label plucking Rocky out of obscurity, or a label + DR DRE/Entire West Coast plucking Kendrick out of obscurity?



What's the timeline on Drake's cosign?

This is the first time I even heard of Drake cosigning Rocky. And it was weeks after Live.Love.ASAP had already come out. So again, no major rapper cosigned Rocky before Live.Love.ASAP.



Besides, Drake is NOT Dre. By a long shot. And Dre was around before Section 80.

Obviously Kendrick got way more watering. This isn't even debatable. And yes, Drake helped both Rocky and Kendrick's careers.

drake doesnt even have his own flow and works with a team of writers. Hes a knock off artist.

 

[SirBiatch]

It's a great song top to bottom the Kweli and Common line was one of the dopesters lines to me...

Do you think the song is trash?

really? that line is lackluster as hell to me.

I'm not gonna say it's trash but in a way it is because of how unremarkable it is.

drake doesnt even have his own flow and works with a team of writers. Hes a knock off artist.

what's that got to do with anything?

 

[Mowgli]

really? that line is lackluster as hell to me.

I'm not gonna say it's trash but in a way it is because of how unremarkable it is.



what's that got to do with anything?

Hes the epitome of a plant. Unoriginal, stealing from everyone around him to stay relevant.

Kendrick is The One, for this generation. From a pure hiphop standpoint. He embodies everything hiphop is as a progressive movement for black people, musically.

 

[ISO]

drake doesnt even have his own flow and works with a team of writers. Hes a knock off artist.

Drake writes for himself and others he doesn't have a team of writers fukk are you saying?

really? that line is lackluster as hell to me.

I'm not gonna say it's trash but in a way it is because of how unremarkable it is.



what's that got to do with anything?

What does the song lack? Content, bars, hook, beat all dope to me...

You don't seem to like much honestly

 

[Mowgli]

Drake writes for himself and others he doesn't have a team of writers fukk are you saying?

What does the song lack? Content, bars, hook, beat all dope to me...

You don't seem to like much honestly

Drake is an artist who has a lot of ghostwriting controvery attached to his name. Its just the facts. Not sayin he doesnt write any of his bars but he gets many lines from people and steals rappers flows. Hes not original.

 

[SirBiatch]

What does the song lack? Content, bars, hook, beat all dope to me...

I don't like a single thing about that track.

You don't seem to like much honestly

This is true. I analyze the shyt out of music. There's a lot I love, but there's so much crap I dislike. To me, I don't really see that 'striving for perfection' attitude that I think was more prominent in hip hop's glory days.

Kendrick's rhymes are meaningless to me. and Nas is arguably my favorite rapper ever. So it's not 'above me' to appreciate a good lyric. I just don't think Kendrick's got em. Not by a long shot.

Ever heard Common's "Resurrection 95?"

I ride the rhythm like a Schwinn bike
When in dim light
I use insight to enlight
Then write some shyt that's skin tight
Words of wisdom wail from my windpipe
Imagination's in flight
I send light, like Ben's kite I've been bright

That shyt's total genius compared to anything K Dot has ever said. and Common's not even on Nas's level.

Matter of fact, there's no one in this generation, whether it be Rocky, Lil B, etc that blow me away in the storytelling department. This generation's not really into that. Rocky and Lil B blow me away in other ways, but not in the "yo that rhyme is intellectually crazy! Rewind that."

 

[Mowgli]

Kendrick has the best conceptual songs of this generation.

 

[neph27]

deflection 101. What's wrong, K-dot stan? Truth hitting ya a little hard?

This whole thread started because of me saying "Dre is the reason for Kendrick's success, hence why K Dot is a plant." So it's a very valid question.

Again:

Which major rapper cosigned ASAP Rocky before Live.Love.ASAP?

We know Dre for a fact cosigned Kendrick prior to Section 80.

Just answer the question. The truth shall set ye free.

Breh Kendrick had 5 mix tapes put out into the world before section 80

Kendrick was on the "all my life" hook with Wayne and jay rock back in like 08 or 09 whenever that was

dude was signed at some point and promoted by interscope but that's what a label is supposed to do you're not telling anyone anything new here

He released music
He got signed
He released s80 and more

But to pretend that he didn't release c4, Kendrick Lamar EP, and OD before he got signed is just disingenuous

Rocky on the other hand was friends with a bunch of bloggers/tastemakers/a&r's and yams was in that FB group that made cloud rap rise up

purple swag and peso he debuted a fully formed product with very few other tracks out (back to the future, a 'light up' freestyle, a few other rough loosies)

drake asked radio to play pe$o before liveloveasap. I listened to it happen.

rocky is way more of a plant then Kendrick. And both are to an extent. And guess what.

THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT

some of these modern a&r's know what you want to hear better then you do brehs

 

[SirBiatch]

Breh Kendrick had 5 mix tapes put out into the world before section 80

that most hip hop fans (I'm not talking casual listeners - I'm talking hip hop heads) never heard till Dre stepped in (section80 days)

drake asked radio to play pe$o before liveloveasap. I listened to it happen.

finally someone says some truthful shyt.

Now that you mention it, it made me dig deeper into the Drizzy cosign and I found this:

http://www.mtv.com/news/1672877/drake-has-good-taste-aap-rocky-says-after-co-sign/

It's crazy that no one provided receipts like this and I have to find them to disprove parts of my own argument.

So that's settles it. Drake was the only rapper I've heard of to cosign Rocky prior to Live.Love.ASAP

Anyway, nowhere near as large as Dre/Entire West Coast crowning K Dot the new king but I'll let you cook.

Good post, homie.

 

[ISO]

Drake is an artist who has a lot of ghostwriting controvery attached to his name. Its just the facts. Not sayin he doesnt write any of his bars but he gets many lines from people and steals rappers flows. Hes not original.

Nothing wrong with flipping a line or using a flow, no ideas original. Nobody writes Drake's raps there was a rumor some chick was writing his R&B joints but that's never been proven and is likely some bytch thirsty for fame.

I don't like a single thing about that track.



This is true. I analyze the shyt out of music. There's a lot I love, but there's so much crap I dislike. To me, I don't really see that 'striving for perfection' attitude that I think was more prominent in hip hop's glory days.

Kendrick's rhymes are meaningless to me. and Nas is arguably my favorite rapper ever. So it's not 'above me' to appreciate a good lyric. I just don't think Kendrick's got em. Not by a long shot.

Ever heard Common's "Resurrection 95?"

I ride the rhythm like a Schwinn bike
When in dim light
I use insight to enlight
Then write some shyt that's skin tight
Words of wisdom wail from my windpipe
Imagination's in flight
I send light, like Ben's kite I've been bright

That shyt's total genius compared to anything K Dot has ever said. and Common's not even on Nas's level.

Matter of fact, there's no one in this generation, whether it be Rocky, Lil B, etc that blow me away in the storytelling department. This generation's not really into that. Rocky and Lil B blow me away in other ways, but not in the "yo that rhyme is intellectually crazy! Rewind that."

I'm familiar with that, Common is one of my favorites and Ressurection is probably in my ten favorite albums. I don't know how you can bump Lil B and say Kendrick is trash...pretty odd IMO.

I think Kendrick is a superb storyteller and great when it comes to doing concepts to me that aspect of his MCing is undeniably good I would even put it in a historically good perspective.

Rocky blew me away on the track Suddenly he was on that

 

[Mowgli]

Nothing wrong with flipping a line or using a flow, no ideas original. Nobody writes Drake's raps there was a rumor some chick was writing his R&B joints but that's never been proven and is likely some bytch thirsty for fame.

I'm familiar with that, Common is one of my favorites and Ressurection is probably in my ten favorite albums. I don't know how you can bump Lil B and say Kendrick is trash...pretty odd IMO.

I think Kendrick is a superb storyteller and great when it comes to doing concepts to me that aspect of his MCing is undeniably good I would even put it in a historically good perspective.

Rocky blew me away on the track Suddenly he was on that

Hes been using other peoples flows his entire career. Thats why he'll never be a legend.