Kendrick has never said anything impressive

[SirBiatch]

Homocean, salute to you homie. You are one dedicated hater!

 

[jamaicaiwonder1993]

Op is the same bytch who got banned for talking greasy about Chinx after he died. How did this weirdo get unbanned?

 

[Billy Ocean]

Notice it's the same thing in every thread. If you respond back rightfully by calling him a troll, he'll call you an idiot, who's "deflecting" and unable to have a debate. If you respond back with tangible evidence that supports your argument, he dismisses it and/or calls it mediocre or even wack. Does this in EVERY last one of his threads.

 

[Jeepz]

Where they at? I will dissect them like a fukking frog rectum

 

[Turbulent]

Assuming you're not just throwing a tantrum like a child, I've taken you up on your offer and will explain.

First of all, 2nd Childhood is a brilliant, beautiful and cautionary song. Aside from the fact that it sounds fantastic (which is the most important part), it's just really smart. Great theme. The term "second childhood" usually denotes senility: the phase an adult, usually senior, enters into when they need to be taken care of like children. Their mental capabilities are deteriorating. Nas flips this idea to describe perfectly healthy people who are much younger but immature. They refuse to grow outta the dumb shyt.

Straight up, I've never heard anyone use the term 2nd childhood in the way Nas does. On some social anthropological shyt. It's a superb flip. I could be wrong: maybe someone did it before Nas. If you know, please prove it.

So let me analyze the different lines



This is a great 'time lapse' sorta line. You can picture a guy sitting on different project benches over several years. It shows a certain docility in the guy's mind. He aint up to shyt. He's moving but fixed to one point. That is what it means to be mentally stuck.

and the musical chairs part is a great reference because kids play musical chairs. Adults don't really do that.

A really simple clear line that says a lot. That's what you call profound.



obviously we know what this references. I just think it's a good line. The whole verse is about how this girl doesn't really have anything going on in her life. No profession, except giving brains. So calling her the brain surgeon is a biting line.



There's nothing profound about this line on its own, but it's a great 'closer' to the verse. It encapsulates the main problem with the girl in the entire verse. Concise and accurate.

Now tell me how those lines aren't profound

at first i thought you were trolling when you created the thread and today i listened to some Kendrick while i was outside trying to pick up some lines and i see what you're saying a little. he doesn't have that many iconic bars or group of bars.

ironically i don't think 2nd childhood has that many of these bars either. but Nas has PLENTY of them.

I never sleep cause sleep is the cousin of death

I got no game it's just some bytches understand my story

much success to ya even if you wish me the opposite, sooner or later we'll all see who the prophet is

from the womb to the tomb presume the unpredictable, guns salute life rapidly that's the ritual

I'm out for presidents to represent me...I'm out for dead presidents to represent me

Born Alone, Die Alone, no crew to keep my crown or throne(so many of these lines in The World is Yours)



Kendrick doesn't have that many lines like that (iconic), i tend to agree. but i don't think this automatically means he's not a good/great lyricist. he just has a different method to his shyt.

 

[Turbulent]

Kendrick I feel has more diverse flows and a greater ability to ride any beat.

Kendrick would have Killed that notorious thug beat with a better flow then biggie could ever create

you're probably right for that beat. as far as flows, while kendrick might be more diverse, not all of them are great. biggie had a few trademark flows that he straight up mastered.

 

[Turbulent]

He looked at me and said, "Know the truth, it'll set you free
You're lookin' at the Messiah, the son of Jehovah, the higher power
The choir that spoke the word, the Holy Spirit
The nerve of Nazareth, and I'll tell you just how much a dollar cost
The price of having a spot in Heaven, embrace your loss, I am God


I don't post or even browse the booth much but why is OP always on Kendrick Lamar's dikk?

i always liked that part of the song. it actually sounds like some shyt a homeless dude would say and most people would dismiss. it kinda shows you that sometimes words are spoken but their power depends as well on what the listener is going through. the only reason the narrator in kendrick's song is touched by it is because of the inner moral issues he's having, basically game can come out of anyone's mouth when you least suspect it. anyone can teach you something about life even if they're just "crazy" or schizo...

 

[Turbulent]

vague bullshyt.
this is only meaningful to cats who worship the Bible.

although it does allude to the bible, i felt like the meaning wasn't strictly about the biblical aspect.

i thought the song was more about how as long as you stay greedy with a heart full of disdain for people not doing as well as you, and as long as you don't help people out in life and share your blessings, you'll be living in hell (meaning you will be miserable and depressed). it's like we are all eachother's angels and devils all at once.

 

[SirBiatch]

Op is the same SirBytch who got banned for talking greasy about Chinx after he died. How did this weirdo get unbanned?

I put the mods in a headlock

It's not my fault some trash rapper got caught slippin.

ironically i don't think 2nd childhood has that many of these bars either. but Nas has PLENTY of them.

Breh, I deliberately picked 2nd childhood because of its lack of "bars". I'm surprised some of y'all didn't see this.

It's too easy for me to pick out a track from Illmatic, It Was Written, etc.

I was trying to demonstrate that even in a storytelling track that's all about context, Nas still has standout lines. So what is Kendrick's excuse?

When Nas just flows, he has standout lines. When he tells stories, he has standout lines. When Kendrick does either he doesn't have them. Yet he's supposed to be top tier? Like.... how?!

 

[Turbulent]

Bruh... so 1/3 hit. at least I got one. I'm still waiting on ONE from Kendrick.

And I deliberately named lines from a song that is not about quotes and more in line with Kendrick's approach (the story, not 'punchlines' or 'spitting').

If I start naming strong lines from Nas on songs where he's just spitting, we'll be here for years.

It's not that subjective. When you're GREAT, it's pretty fukking obvious.



No I'm not. There is no agenda or grand conspiracy. stop it. I'm just a hip hop fan. I ask the tough questions.



That line is mediocre to me because it's not a clear image. The repetition of "African" is redundant and straight up filler. I'm african-american, I'm African... dude really wasted some time on that.

"I'm as black as the heart of a fukking Aryan??" HUH? What the fukk does that mean? This is the Lupe scenario all over again.

You new nikkas are addicted to mixed metaphors and it's something I do not fukk with. Especially if the song itself (the vocals + beat) are trash. It's offensive to me, lol.

fukk all that "the themes of white supremacy and race" blah blah bullshyt. You guys are masturbating over randomly referenced themes but not saying a damn thing. The real issue is that that line makes zero sense. You can't picture it. Because it's not an image nor does it inspire an image. And even worse, it's an incorrect simile. It's a mixed metaphor. Similes compare like things. You can't say: "I'm as green as a red light." Them shyts don't go together, unless you're just spewing bullshyt on some comedy shyt. Or being sarcastic (which would mean that Kendrick is not black and only joking about being black).

Is that what he's saying? But if he isn't Black, then why does he repeat how African he is seconds prior? I'm already starting to lose interest. Can't waste my time on vague nikkas. especially knowing that real revolutionaries/strong thinkers are not vague and certainly don't mix their metaphors.

Mos Def has a line that goes: "I'm blacker than midnight on Broadway and Myrtle". That shyt makes sense. It's a specific location I can picture. It's at night. So it's really dark. And he's using the magnitude of that blackness it to compare to his own Blackness. Essentially, it's a simile that actually works. Comparing like things.



bland. It's too mundane. Those habitations are so close together and often mentioned in the same breath.

You're wowed by theme, but there is no unique/insightful image here. It's just a thematic statement. one that I've heard a million times.

it's actually an ironic simile based in a metaphor.

you actually had it right when you qualified it as sarcastic. Aryan are considered evil (black heart) but he's saying he's as black as that in the sense that he's super black (in this case black meaning the race). the song makes alot of allusions on what it means to be black, how we define black, how black is often viewed negatively even just in the language and at the same time how it's seen as a positive (as in it's the cool thing to be). it's like he's mixing all of this in together. that's why he keeps repeating the "i'm african american, i'm black" to tie it all in. like i'm "this"
and then goes on to define it through positive and negative stereotypes (which are both ridiculous). i might be wrong but i think he's trying to say it's funny how we embrace the positive stereotypes that objectify us yet complain about the negative ones.

the phrase "the blacker the berry, the sweeter the juice" is an example of it being a positive thing. black heart is a negative. black don't crack (positive), my nikka (depends on who says it). these little lines are sprinkled throughout the song. it shows the absurdity of it all. which is why he keeps saying he's a hypocrite. society is hypocritical about it. the way the language is built is hypocritical. and ultimately he's saying we're hypocritical as well cause we partake in the fukkery.

it's clever but just like a lot of the songs on there, i felt like they were more clever than actually dope. it made me think but it didn't make me feel. i fukk with the beat though.

 

[SirBiatch]

Aryan are considered evil (black heart) but he's saying he's as black as that in the sense that he's super black (in this case black meaning the race).

"Aryan are considered evil (black heart)".... yeah. I understand that.

"but he's saying he's as black as that in the sense that he's super black (in this case black meaning the race)"... that makes no sense to me because Aryans and Blackness are not like things. It's a mixed metaphor with loaded words that is ultimately vague.

You know what a mixed metaphor is, right?

Imagine if he said "I'm as hateful as the heart of a fukkin Aryan". That makes sense. Like thing goes with another like thing.

Let me break it down:
"I'm as hateful as" = this part of the simile is the setup. the thing he will eventually compare it to is to show magnitude. In this case, magnitude of hate. That's what similes do well. They show magnitude.

"the heart of a fukking Aryan" = the execution. this is the thing that shows just how hateful he is. The magnitude.

the song makes alot of allusions on what it means to be black, how we define black, how black is often viewed negatively even just in the language and at the same time how it's seen as a positive (as in it's the cool thing to be). it's like he's mixing all of this in together. that's why he keeps repeating the "i'm african american, i'm black" to tie it all in. like i'm "this"
and then goes on to define it through positive and negative stereotypes (which are both ridiculous). i might be wrong but i think he's trying to say it's funny how we embrace the positive stereotypes that objectify us yet complain about the negative ones.

I'm not interested in what cats are "trying to say" or "may be saying". I'm only interested in what they actually say.

Clarity is everything.

 

[Turbulent]

"Aryan are considered evil (black heart)".... yeah. I understand that.

"but he's saying he's as black as that in the sense that he's super black (in this case black meaning the race)"... that makes no sense to me because Aryans and Blackness are not like things. It's a mixed metaphor with loaded words that is ultimately vague.

You know what a mixed metaphor is, right?

Imagine if he said "I'm as hateful as the heart of a fukkin Aryan". That makes sense. Like thing goes with another like thing.

Let me break it down:
"I'm as hateful as" = this part of the simile is the setup. the thing he will eventually compare it to is to show magnitude. In this case, magnitude of hate. That's what similes do well. They show magnitude.

"the heart of a fukking Aryan" = the execution. this is the thing that shows just how hateful he is. The magnitude.

it's obviously meant to be ironic.

 

[DonKnock]

"Aryan are considered evil (black heart)".... yeah. I understand that.

"but he's saying he's as black as that in the sense that he's super black (in this case black meaning the race)"... that makes no sense to me because Aryans and Blackness are not like things. It's a mixed metaphor with loaded words that is ultimately vague.

You know what a mixed metaphor is, right?

Imagine if he said "I'm as hateful as the heart of a fukkin Aryan". That makes sense. Like thing goes with another like thing.

Let me break it down:
"I'm as hateful as" = this part of the simile is the setup. the thing he will eventually compare it to is to show magnitude. In this case, magnitude of hate. That's what similes do well. They show magnitude.

Your usage, "I'm as hateful as" wouldn't be as powerful.

The literary device that brings power to that line is Irony.

It is ironic because Blacks were one of the groups that didn't face extermination at the hands of Hitler.
It is ironic because of the tension between Blacks and Jews in America that he references the race that persecuted the Jews(who dominate the power positions in the music industry). A persecution that they are keen, and systematic on reminding everyone of, while Black history gets largely ignored and written out of the books.
It is ironic because the skin is an extremely visible condition while the heart cannot be seen until someone is dead. It is easy to fake having a good heart, it is not easy to fake your skin color.
It is ironic because he is taking this condition that has been caste as a negative (black skin) and setting it as a positive in contrast with something that is an actual evil (aryan genocide).

And you said black heart doesn't create a clear image for you so I'ma help you out.

Dis a regular heart

das a black heart (probably in a NAZI).

He also uses synesthesia
"In literature, synesthesia refers to a technique adopted by writers to present ideas, characters or places in such a manner that they appeal to more than one senses like hearing, seeing, smell etc. at a given time."

He is using a color (visual) to convey pain (sensory).

These are highly advanced and abstract concepts. Not quotable nonsensicals like: Gold grills like a set of new braces's

Spoiler

Kevin Gates >Kendrick anyway

 

[the cac mamba]

this is impressive

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

big's flow was never copied liked that because it's hard to imitate. the flow seems to only go well with his voice. when Junior Mafia tried it on the conspiracy album it sounded forced and corny. only person who could KINDA pull it off was Lil' Kim.

i agree that the Notorious Thug flow is overrated as fukk but his other trademark flows are probably the most recognizable yet hard to duplicate.

How? How old are you? Were you around when that song was out? Did you see the public response? People went crazy for that flow and rightfully so. I was 17/18 back then.