I don't recall. I dont keep up with Cripple H theatrics .
Keller tears into Reigns over recent "I'm already a heel, so why turn" ESPN interview
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Nobody but opWe care about Wade Keller now?
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All of that writing for an off hand, one sentence comment from Roman?
TheGodling
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The WWE is coasting as a whole, everybody's stuck in the same position they have been in for over a year.
While Roman's comments make no sense, it's the same argument creative uses. Meanwhile he is the victim of being pushed as the top guy in an aimless, lazy period where nobody flourishes. The only exception might be Seth because he's truly performing at the peak of his career.
While Roman's comments make no sense, it's the same argument creative uses. Meanwhile he is the victim of being pushed as the top guy in an aimless, lazy period where nobody flourishes. The only exception might be Seth because he's truly performing at the peak of his career.
Guess Hogan was never a draw, with all the celebrities they'd bring in back in his prime.
I get that you have real issues separating real from kayfabe and that Cena took shots at your hero as part of their fictional feud, so you have to slander him forever, but Cena, at his peak, was inarguably a legit draw -- shows with him on their cards did significantly better attendance than those without, his segments on Raw used to consistently pop huge +/- no matter where or what he was doing or who came before/after him. He obviously wasn't Hogan/Austin/Rock tier, but that doesn't change that him on top was money for Vince.
No one on the roster (including the old guys when they show up, including Cena himself) now can say the same, even if it's largely due to how the company has booked themselves into everyone being irrelevant and having no crossover appeal. No one is a significant draw, no one is a significant anti-draw. Not Reigns, not Rollins, not Styles, not anyone. "Overness" doesn't mean shyt right now and pretending it does is basically just pointless stan whining because they want their faves to be more than they are and those that they hate to be less.
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That's a lot of typing over 5 words. Damn he must be upset.
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Roman doesn't care, why should you? WWE is in the place it is because of complacency from top to bottom.
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SWEEEEEEEEEETNESS!
TAll of that writing for an off hand, one sentence comment from Roman?
First point: absolutely. I thought the same thing and immediately thought of how star studded wrestlemania 1 was.Guess Hogan was never a draw, with all the celebrities they'd bring in back in his prime.
I get that you have real issues separating real from kayfabe and that Cena took shots at your hero as part of their fictional feud, so you have to slander him forever, but Cena, at his peak, was inarguably a legit draw -- shows with him on their cards did significantly better attendance than those without, his segments on Raw used to consistently pop huge +/- no matter where or what he was doing or who came before/after him. He obviously wasn't Hogan/Austin/Rock tier, but that doesn't change that him on top was money for Vince.
No one on the roster (including the old guys when they show up, including Cena himself) now can say the same, even if it's largely due to how the company has booked themselves into everyone being irrelevant and having no crossover appeal. No one is a significant draw, no one is a significant anti-draw. Not Reigns, not Rollins, not Styles, not anyone. "Overness" doesn't mean shyt right now and pretending it does is basically just pointless stan whining because they want their faves to be more than they are and those that they hate to be less.
Second point: disagree. I hate the narrative that being over shouldnt mean anything to fans. Thats complete bullshyt. Its the ONLY thing that should matter. None of us are employees so having favorites and wanting them to succeed is what were supposed to do. If that doesnt go with what the company wants then the company made the wrong move
That's what internet wants..boards except he aint ever getting cheered over AJ, Joe, and Bryan.
Two years was the last relevant thing he messed up? That's fine for his standards. I could of easily added the Asuka screw up at WM this year though for a well deserved calling out for his stupid mindset and dumb decision making.
They didnt promote those celebrities over Hogan at all..not even close. Hogan was the top guy for WM 3...Higan and Mr T was who they promoted above everyone at WM 1. And so forth..Cena got kicked out of the main event at WM 23...because that was marketed over Trump, Austin, Umaga, Lashley, and McMahon. Then they went with Mayweather in the spotlight....then they did the awful Cripple H/Blandy nightmare...then Michaels vs Taker failed...Rock saved them for 3 years...Bryan couldnt miss after Punk quit and Batista bombed...Cena has been a mid show flunkie ever since.Guess Hogan was never a draw, with all the celebrities they'd bring in back in his prime.
I get that you have real issues separating real from kayfabe and that Cena took shots at your hero as part of their fictional feud, so you have to slander him forever, but Cena, at his peak, was inarguably a legit draw -- shows with him on their cards did significantly better attendance than those without, his segments on Raw used to consistently pop huge +/- no matter where or what he was doing or who came before/after him. He obviously wasn't Hogan/Austin/Rock tier, but that doesn't change that him on top was money for Vince.
No one on the roster (including the old guys when they show up, including Cena himself) now can say the same, even if it's largely due to how the company has booked themselves into everyone being irrelevant and having no crossover appeal. No one is a significant draw, no one is a significant anti-draw. Not Reigns, not Rollins, not Styles, not anyone. "Overness" doesn't mean shyt right now and pretending it does is basically just pointless stan whining because they want their faves to be more than they are and those that they hate to be less.
With the exception of Rollins and Braun, the most “over” men on the main roster are on SD and SD’s attendance still sucks and the number of eyes on the content are, at best, stagnant. They’ve got Bryan getting significant focus and have had Styles on top for awhile, often putting him with other chosen ones like Nak. The company listened to their audience, put those guys on top, and they’re not popping anything.
When I say overness doesn’t matter, it’s because it doesn’t right now when it comes to WWE’s bottom line. Nothing really changes, drawing-wise, in any truly significant way when they push the crowd appointed versus when they push ones that aren’t. The company has, to both their betterment and detriment, built a product where no one will likely ever be a true top shelf star again and the pieces are a mix of interchangeable and disposable. It’s WWE brand over everything, no matter how live audience reactions are catered to or ignored. (I’m of the thought that they might as well mostly cater to them because ignoring them isn’t doing anything either, like it used to at Cena’s peak. It’s no gain, but no lose too.)
It doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy who you enjoy or think things are more quality than others, want to see your faves on top; no one should need to be vindicated in liking what they like by “drawing power” anyway. It just means pieces like Keller’s, that make it seem like Reigns’ push is the root of any and all failure, are a bunch of hot air.
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