Kanye West vs K-Rino, who got the better discography? whos the better artist?

[The Ruler 09]

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[The Ruler 09]

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I can confess my knowledge of k-rino is limited. But I have listened to him from time to time and I feel that I have enough music knowledge to argue my point.

When I listen to K-rino I want to hear good lyrics and cool concepts. But hes not saying anything that I dont already know through books or youtube. Its no point going what I do or do not know tho.

All I can say is, Im impressed after listening to a K-rino song but it doesnt move me. Its like sitting in a lecture in school. Its can be cool and all but it can become boring. I listen to music to get moved. I listen to music because i wanna feel something. I listen to music because I want to dance or rip shyt up. I dont doubt when you say people being moved by K-rino but thats because they deeply attach one of their own strong emotions to one of his songs. All artists can do that.
But you are truly a great artist if you can move your audience with songs about stuff that they never even experienced.

Im not saying Kanye is one of those artists but Im just trying to show you that what you are saying automatically puts K-rino at the top.

I know you like Brother Ali. Hes and artist with good lyrics that dont feels forced and have a message.

Atmosphere's Yester day is a good example of a song that can move you with out the experience of your dads dying.

And the beat is better then anything i heard from K-rino.

If you want a Lyrical rapper that made music with deep meanings, you should listen to eyedea.







WTF? Are you not reading what I wrote? That KRS-one quote have nothing to do with my point. You talked about selling out and I called you about it with logical arguments and you go back to hinting that kanye west fans are "fake fanatics"? The KRS quote is of course fine by it self and I tend to agree but Kanye isnt a sell out. And again who are we to judge his fans? Does Kanye make brainwash music, is that because his big? Why is Kanye west so big if he didnt make good music? And why is K-rino not as big? I simply said that Kanye isnt selling out and had valid points backing my statements. I also said that making good music doesn't automatically make you a sell out.

So again, WTF have being fukked in the ass have to do with anything with what I just said? You are just writing arguments that when read out of context is sounding some what logical and true. But in the context as an reply to my text its so illogical. The only way it makes sense is if you claim Kanye is getting fukked in the ass on some illuminati bull shyt to be able to have the fan-following he got. And if thats the case, I dont see any point keep discussing this.
(Not even saying Illuminati dont exist but to claim they some how decide what kind of music the masses should like is stupid)

To answer your other quote that read, how can an artist that dont even write his own lyrics be an better artist then one of the best lyricists.
Well, Michael Jackson didnt write all his lyrics. Does that make him less of an artist? Is K-rino a better artist then for example Bob Dylan, just because Dylan isnt as lyrically gifted? Have you heard of the quote "keep it simple stupid"?
Lyrics isnt all about in how many impressive ways you can rhyme. Its also about conveying your message as simple as possible. The best singer songwriters in the world know this. Its easy writing an essay about how you love some one. But writing it with as few words as possible and still hitting home. Thats hard!

And music isnt even all about lyrics and rapping/singing. A song can be trash if melody/beat dont match what you are saying. So how can you question Kanye West bringing in ghostwriters when K-rino dont make all of his own beats? Its more then one element you know. And the other isnt more important then the other. Its personal taste. The title of the thread is whos the better artist. Not who is the better lyricist or better MC.

I'll try do this quick. But all I have to do is highlight this and this proves my point. Thanks.

But I will come back to this...

 

[Jack Don the G]

I'll try do this quick. But all I have to do is highlight this and this proves my point. Thanks.

But I will come back to this...

What is your point? Because you are acting like The rhyme kings, less retarded older brother right now.
Just reply to what I wrote instead of posting songs over and over again that no one is impressed of.

 

[The Ruler 09]

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I can confess my knowledge of k-rino is limited. But I have listened to him from time to time and I feel that I have enough music knowledge to argue my point.

When I listen to K-rino I want to hear good lyrics and cool concepts. But hes not saying anything that I dont already know through books or youtube. Its no point going what I do or do not know tho.

All I can say is, Im impressed after listening to a K-rino song but it doesnt move me. Its like sitting in a lecture in school. Its can be cool and all but it can become boring. I listen to music to get moved. I listen to music because i wanna feel something. I listen to music because I want to dance or rip shyt up. I dont doubt when you say people being moved by K-rino but thats because they deeply attach one of their own strong emotions to one of his songs. All artists can do that.
But you are truly a great artist if you can move your audience with songs about stuff that they never even experienced.

Im not saying Kanye is one of those artists but Im just trying to show you that what you are saying automatically puts K-rino at the top.

I know you like Brother Ali. Hes and artist with good lyrics that dont feels forced and have a message.

Atmosphere's Yester day is a good example of a song that can move you with out the experience of your dads dying.

And the beat is better then anything i heard from K-rino.

If you want a Lyrical rapper that made music with deep meanings, you should listen to eyedea.







WTF? Are you not reading what I wrote? That KRS-one quote have nothing to do with my point. You talked about selling out and I called you about it with logical arguments and you go back to hinting that kanye west fans are "fake fanatics"? The KRS quote is of course fine by it self and I tend to agree but Kanye isnt a sell out. And again who are we to judge his fans? Does Kanye make brainwash music, is that because his big? Why is Kanye west so big if he didnt make good music? And why is K-rino not as big? I simply said that Kanye isnt selling out and had valid points backing my statements. I also said that making good music doesn't automatically make you a sell out.

So again, WTF have being fukked in the ass have to do with anything with what I just said? You are just writing arguments that when read out of context is sounding some what logical and true. But in the context as an reply to my text its so illogical. The only way it makes sense is if you claim Kanye is getting fukked in the ass on some illuminati bull shyt to be able to have the fan-following he got. And if thats the case, I dont see any point keep discussing this.
(Not even saying Illuminati dont exist but to claim they some how decide what kind of music the masses should like is stupid)

To answer your other quote that read, how can an artist that dont even write his own lyrics be an better artist then one of the best lyricists.
Well, Michael Jackson didnt write all his lyrics. Does that make him less of an artist? Is K-rino a better artist then for example Bob Dylan, just because Dylan isnt as lyrically gifted? Have you heard of the quote "keep it simple stupid"?
Lyrics isnt all about in how many impressive ways you can rhyme. Its also about conveying your message as simple as possible. The best singer songwriters in the world know this. Its easy writing an essay about how you love some one. But writing it with as few words as possible and still hitting home. Thats hard!

And music isnt even all about lyrics and rapping/singing. A song can be trash if melody/beat dont match what you are saying. So how can you question Kanye West bringing in ghostwriters when K-rino dont make all of his own beats? Its more then one element you know. And the other isnt more important then the other. Its personal taste. The title of the thread is whos the better artist. Not who is the better lyricist or better MC.

The problem again lies in what I bolded. I am seeing a birds eye view in this debate, you are seeing on a level below. This is not meant as disrespect but truth. We are debating Kanye vs K-Rino but only 1 of us has heard all their work. This is the problem. K-Rino's music is not solely political or about giving information/knowledge, it is also about FEELINGS/EMOTIONS/POSITIVITY/UPLIFTMENT. If these things don't mean anything to you then so be it, but they mean a lot to me. K-Rino is so diverse that due to your admittedly limited knowledge you are making a misconception about him as an artist based off your limitations. I am more than willing to debate this further, with accurate knowledge.

That's my point, if it doesn't move you, then I question your knowledge of the work. I could post some songs, 1 by 1 would be easier and see if they move you. (I don't mean like 1000's, but just some and we can do this, if you wanna talk HONESTLY and be real. I am willing to educate and enlighten you in this discussion, but try have an open heart and mind, sometimes people are wrong, it doesn't make them bad people. I skimmed a few things you said in your message, and I'm not sure if your mad or not, but I'm just trying to talk to you. I will put forth examples of what I am saying. See this whole paragraph is just saying to me loudly "I haven't heard enough K-Rino work". He has so much work it feels you are getting lost and overwhelmed by it. My absolute favourite part of K-Rino's work is the emotion songs and how it makes me FEEL and is uplifting to myself and others. That's heartfelt...

I'm VERY confused with what you saying, again it screams loudly I HAVENT HEARD ENOUGH K-Rino music. He writes from perspectives of stuff he has and hasn't been through on a regular basis. You could literally make an album of K-Rino emotional tracks... If you tell me a bit about your life I can cater this even more to your needs, but if you wanna keep that private could guess. Or you could tell me who you like and I could guess from that.

I haven't said automatically anything, I am saying something after hearing every album by both artists. And a bunch of other shyt too by the way, as I've been fans of both for a LONG time. I fukk with Atmosphere and Brother Ali yes. Look, it seems like you need to be put on, I am willing to do that if your sincere.

It does, because you tried to use numbers in your argument, which are irrelevant and illogical. I would say Kanye West is a sell out actually, he says he sold his soul actually himself. Was a crappy deal apparently lol. See I know what I'm talking about lol. I don't know why your asking me silly questions lmao. Kanye West was on Rocafella bro lmao. I shouldn't have to explain this to you lol.

It was a point to say there is shyt MUCH MORE important than getting heard more, how you gonna count someone sticking to their principles against them? How much do you REALLY know about the industry? I know a lot. Know about the Wise Intelligent story?

 

[The Ruler 09]

Havent't finished replying to that message yet, just come on laptop quick so will finish replying here.

 

[Yoda]

The problem again lies in what I bolded. I am seeing a birds I view in this debate, you are seeing on a level below. This is not meant as disrespect but truth. We are debating Kanye vs K-Rino but only 1 of us has heard all their work. This is the problem. K-Rino's music is not solely political or about giving information/knowledge, it is also about FEELINGS/EMOTIONS/POSITIVITY/UPLIFTMENT. If these things don't mean anything to you then so be it, but they mean a lot to me. K-Rino is so diverse that due to your admittedly limited knowledge you are making a misconception about him as an artist based off your limitations. I am more than willing to debate this further, with accurate knowledge.

That's my point, if it doesn't move you, then I question your knowledge of the work. I could post some songs, 1 by 1 would be easier and see if they move you. (I don't mean like 1000's, but just some and we can do this, if you wanna talk HONESTLY and be real. I am willing to educate and enlighten you in this discussion, but try have an open heart and mind, sometimes people are wrong, it doesn't make them bad people. I skimmed a few things you said in your message, and I'm not sure if your mad or not, but I'm just trying to talk to you. I will put forth examples of what I am saying. See this whole paragraph is just saying to me loudly "I haven't heard enough K-Rino work". He has so much work it feels you are getting lost and overwhelmed by it. My absolute favourite part of K-Rino's work is the emotion songs and how it makes me FEEL and is uplifting to myself and others. That's heartfelt...

I'm VERY confused with what you saying, again it screams loudly I HAVENT HEARD ENOUGH K-Rino music. He writes from perspectives of stuff he has and hasn't been through on a regular basis. You could literally make an album of K-Rino emotional tracks... If you tell me a bit about your life I can cater this even more to your needs, but if you wanna keep that private could guess. Or you could tell me who you like and I could guess from that.

I haven't said automatically anything, I am saying something after hearing every album by both artists. And a bunch of other shyt too by the way, as I've been fans of both for a LONG time. I fukk with Atmosphere and Brother Ali yes. Look, it seems like you need to be put on, I am willing to do that if your sincere.

It does, because you tried to your numbers in your argument, which are irrelevant and illogical. I would say Kanye West is a sell out actually, he says he sold his soul actually himself. Was a crappy deal apparently lol. See I know what I'm talking about lol. I don't know why your asking me silly questions lmao. Kanye West was on Rocafella bro lmao. I shouldn't have to explain this to you lol.

It was a point to say there is shyt MUCH MORE important than getting heard more, how you gonna count someone sticking to their principles against them? How much do you REALLY know about the industry? I know a lot. Know about the Wise Intelligent story?

postings of a mad man

 

[The Ruler 09]

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I can confess my knowledge of k-rino is limited. But I have listened to him from time to time and I feel that I have enough music knowledge to argue my point.

When I listen to K-rino I want to hear good lyrics and cool concepts. But hes not saying anything that I dont already know through books or youtube. Its no point going what I do or do not know tho.

All I can say is, Im impressed after listening to a K-rino song but it doesnt move me. Its like sitting in a lecture in school. Its can be cool and all but it can become boring. I listen to music to get moved. I listen to music because i wanna feel something. I listen to music because I want to dance or rip shyt up. I dont doubt when you say people being moved by K-rino but thats because they deeply attach one of their own strong emotions to one of his songs. All artists can do that.
But you are truly a great artist if you can move your audience with songs about stuff that they never even experienced.

Im not saying Kanye is one of those artists but Im just trying to show you that what you are saying automatically puts K-rino at the top.

I know you like Brother Ali. Hes and artist with good lyrics that dont feels forced and have a message.

Atmosphere's Yester day is a good example of a song that can move you with out the experience of your dads dying.

And the beat is better then anything i heard from K-rino.

If you want a Lyrical rapper that made music with deep meanings, you should listen to eyedea.







WTF? Are you not reading what I wrote? That KRS-one quote have nothing to do with my point. You talked about selling out and I called you about it with logical arguments and you go back to hinting that kanye west fans are "fake fanatics"? The KRS quote is of course fine by it self and I tend to agree but Kanye isnt a sell out. And again who are we to judge his fans? Does Kanye make brainwash music, is that because his big? Why is Kanye west so big if he didnt make good music? And why is K-rino not as big? I simply said that Kanye isnt selling out and had valid points backing my statements. I also said that making good music doesn't automatically make you a sell out.

So again, WTF have being fukked in the ass have to do with anything with what I just said? You are just writing arguments that when read out of context is sounding some what logical and true. But in the context as an reply to my text its so illogical. The only way it makes sense is if you claim Kanye is getting fukked in the ass on some illuminati bull shyt to be able to have the fan-following he got. And if thats the case, I dont see any point keep discussing this.
(Not even saying Illuminati dont exist but to claim they some how decide what kind of music the masses should like is stupid)

To answer your other quote that read, how can an artist that dont even write his own lyrics be an better artist then one of the best lyricists.
Well, Michael Jackson didnt write all his lyrics. Does that make him less of an artist? Is K-rino a better artist then for example Bob Dylan, just because Dylan isnt as lyrically gifted? Have you heard of the quote "keep it simple stupid"?
Lyrics isnt all about in how many impressive ways you can rhyme. Its also about conveying your message as simple as possible. The best singer songwriters in the world know this. Its easy writing an essay about how you love some one. But writing it with as few words as possible and still hitting home. Thats hard!

And music isnt even all about lyrics and rapping/singing. A song can be trash if melody/beat dont match what you are saying. So how can you question Kanye West bringing in ghostwriters when K-rino dont make all of his own beats? Its more then one element you know. And the other isnt more important then the other. Its personal taste. The title of the thread is whos the better artist. Not who is the better lyricist or better MC.

Bob Dylan IS lyrically gifted though. But I don't prop people up because of acclaim but due to quality. You are misrepresenting my perspective, possibly deliberately or not. But I'll reiterate, you can be a great lyricist and be simplistic OR complex, Bob Marley I rate as 1 of the greatest artists of all time and he wans't necessarily a wordsmith. You think Bob Dylan wasn;t lyrically gifted? Am confused again. K-Rino is a better artist to me though yeah. And I like and respect Bob Dylan. But I don't prop people up like that based on acclaim like I said, completely objective, all that matters to me is the music and artistry.

Your telling me something I already know, when I'm 1 of the most knowledgeable people about lyrics in the world that are breathing. I'm not even going to get too deep into that, but I know about lyricists from ALL over, in all genres, I understand lyricism and music on a deep level. Youu don't seem familar with my posting history where I have acclaimed 2 Pac as a dope lyricist and he wans't overly complex, I've written big ass posts about how it doesn't have to be complex to = dope. So your telling me stuff I know about more than you. No your wrong, it's NOT about conevying your message as simple as possible, that's simply incorrect, it's about conveying your message most EFFECTIVELY as possible to suit the song. This concept sounds like a way to pop up simplistic wack people and dismiss complex 1s. K-Rino's word usage and lyrically is in another dimension to Kanye, if you can't see that I can't help you. I can't believe this lol, K-Rino is an MC, this is HIP HOP. Are you actually serious or fukking around with me? Lol. Artist not producer, I would have spcfied specfically producer if I meant that.

 

[A.V.]

The problem again lies in what I bolded. I am seeing a birds I view in this debate, you are seeing on a level below. This is not meant as disrespect but truth. We are debating Kanye vs K-Rino but only 1 of us has heard all their work. This is the problem. K-Rino's music is not solely political or about giving information/knowledge, it is also about FEELINGS/EMOTIONS/POSITIVITY/UPLIFTMENT. If these things don't mean anything to you then so be it, but they mean a lot to me. K-Rino is so diverse that due to your admittedly limited knowledge you are making a misconception about him as an artist based off your limitations. I am more than willing to debate this further, with accurate knowledge.

That's my point, if it doesn't move you, then I question your knowledge of the work. I could post some songs, 1 by 1 would be easier and see if they move you. (I don't mean like 1000's, but just some and we can do this, if you wanna talk HONESTLY and be real. I am willing to educate and enlighten you in this discussion, but try have an open heart and mind, sometimes people are wrong, it doesn't make them bad people. I skimmed a few things you said in your message, and I'm not sure if your mad or not, but I'm just trying to talk to you. I will put forth examples of what I am saying. See this whole paragraph is just saying to me loudly "I haven't heard enough K-Rino work". He has so much work it feels you are getting lost and overwhelmed by it. My absolute favourite part of K-Rino's work is the emotion songs and how it makes me FEEL and is uplifting to myself and others. That's heartfelt...

I'm VERY confused with what you saying, again it screams loudly I HAVENT HEARD ENOUGH K-Rino music. He writes from perspectives of stuff he has and hasn't been through on a regular basis. You could literally make an album of K-Rino emotional tracks... If you tell me a bit about your life I can cater this even more to your needs, but if you wanna keep that private could guess. Or you could tell me who you like and I could guess from that.

I haven't said automatically anything, I am saying something after hearing every album by both artists. And a bunch of other shyt too by the way, as I've been fans of both for a LONG time. I fukk with Atmosphere and Brother Ali yes. Look, it seems like you need to be put on, I am willing to do that if your sincere.

It does, because you tried to your numbers in your argument, which are irrelevant and illogical. I would say Kanye West is a sell out actually, he says he sold his soul actually himself. Was a crappy deal apparently lol. See I know what I'm talking about lol. I don't know why your asking me silly questions lmao. Kanye West was on Rocafella bro lmao. I shouldn't have to explain this to you lol.

It was a point to say there is shyt MUCH MORE important than getting heard more, how you gonna count someone sticking to their principles against them? How much do you REALLY know about the industry? I know a lot. Know about the Wise Intelligent story?

you a fakkit and a bytch..........and a mark




didnt read

 

[The Ruler 09]

you a fakkit and a bytch..........and a mark




didnt read

Substance will ultimately always destroy a bullshyt bytch made motherfukker like you.

 

[A.V.]

Substance will ultimately always destroy a bullshyt bytch made motherfukker like you.

 

[The Ruler 09]

You do know that was HIS album title don't you? LMAO. And funnily enough that irony was JUST FOR clowns like you lmao.

 

[Jack Don the G]

The problem again lies in what I bolded. I am seeing a birds I view in this debate, you are seeing on a level below. This is not meant as disrespect but truth. We are debating Kanye vs K-Rino but only 1 of us has heard all their work. This is the problem. K-Rino's music is not solely political or about giving information/knowledge, it is also about FEELINGS/EMOTIONS/POSITIVITY/UPLIFTMENT. If these things don't mean anything to you then so be it, but they mean a lot to me. K-Rino is so diverse that due to your admittedly limited knowledge you are making a misconception about him as an artist based off your limitations. I am more than willing to debate this further, with accurate knowledge.

That's my point, if it doesn't move you, then I question your knowledge of the work. I could post some songs, 1 by 1 would be easier and see if they move you. (I don't mean like 1000's, but just some and we can do this, if you wanna talk HONESTLY and be real. I am willing to educate and enlighten you in this discussion, but try have an open heart and mind, sometimes people are wrong, it doesn't make them bad people. I skimmed a few things you said in your message, and I'm not sure if your mad or not, but I'm just trying to talk to you. I will put forth examples of what I am saying. See this whole paragraph is just saying to me loudly "I haven't heard enough K-Rino work". He has so much work it feels you are getting lost and overwhelmed by it. My absolute favourite part of K-Rino's work is the emotion songs and how it makes me FEEL and is uplifting to myself and others. That's heartfelt...

I'm VERY confused with what you saying, again it screams loudly I HAVENT HEARD ENOUGH K-Rino music. He writes from perspectives of stuff he has and hasn't been through on a regular basis. You could literally make an album of K-Rino emotional tracks... If you tell me a bit about your life I can cater this even more to your needs, but if you wanna keep that private could guess. Or you could tell me who you like and I could guess from that.

I haven't said automatically anything, I am saying something after hearing every album by both artists. And a bunch of other shyt too by the way, as I've been fans of both for a LONG time. I fukk with Atmosphere and Brother Ali yes. Look, it seems like you need to be put on, I am willing to do that if your sincere.

It does, because you tried to your numbers in your argument, which are irrelevant and illogical. I would say Kanye West is a sell out actually, he says he sold his soul actually himself. Was a crappy deal apparently lol. See I know what I'm talking about lol. I don't know why your asking me silly questions lmao. Kanye West was on Rocafella bro lmao. I shouldn't have to explain this to you lol.

It was a point to say there is shyt MUCH MORE important than getting heard more, how you gonna count someone sticking to their principles against them? How much do you REALLY know about the industry? I know a lot. Know about the Wise Intelligent story?

You shouldnt have to listen to a whole discography to be able to get moved by an artist. especially if its 20 albums deep. I dont get your point. you dont need any "education" to enjoy music.

It would be stupid to have to watch 10 movies of a director before "getting it" right? Yes, sometimes uneducated and stupid people will miss deeper messages in movies that the director hid in there. But does that make him a better director?

But sure, even if this discussion is leading no where and you areignoring my other points by saying I dont know enough. Educate me, show me a track or two that is as good as atmospheres Yesterday or Kendricks Sing about me and I will listen.
But even then, even if K-rino have those songs it doesnt make him a better artist then kanye west with out a question. Like I have repeated over and over again but you keep ignoring and dont adress. Its more to an artist then being lyrical and being able to write a deep track.

And I dont give a fukk about the industry. The business going on behind the scenes have nothing to do with Kanye as an artist. I just called out your sell out claim. WTF does rocafella have to do with anything? He signed to a record label that wanted him when now one else wanted to sign a producer that wanted to rap. Then they didnt want him to release the album so they could have all the beats for them self so he had to to everything himself. Yeah, he sold his soul right... This is why no one else but me is trying to have a discussion with you.

 

[A.V.]

You do know that was HIS album title don't you? LMAO. And funnily enough that irony was JUST FOR clowns like you lmao.

this cac fukkboy so mad

 

[The Ruler 09]

You shouldnt have to listen to a whole discography to be able to get moved by an artist. especially if its 20 albums deep. I dont get your point. you dont need any "education" to enjoy music.

It would be stupid to have to watch 10 movies of a director before "getting it" right? Yes, sometimes uneducated and stupid people will miss deeper messages in movies that the director hid in there. But does that make him a better director?

But sure, even if this discussion is leading no here and ignoring my other points by saying I dont know enough. Educate me, show me a track or two that is as good as atmospheres Yesterday or Kendricks Sing about me and I will listen.
But even then, even if K-rino have those songs it doesnt make him a better artist then kanye west with out a question. Like I have repeated over and over again but you keep ignoring and dont adress. Its more to an artist then being lyrical and being able to write a deep track.

And I dont give a fukk about the industry. The business going on behind the scenes have nothing to do with Kanye as an artist. I calleded out your sell out claim and you just keep digging into that whole. WTF does rocafella have to do with anything? He signed to a record label that wanted him when now one else wanted to sign a producer that wanted to rap.

Why are you so upset? I was trying to talk to you on a level, don't see why your being like that, but on you.

This isn't realistic, do you think Kanye should be judged if I just heard 808's? No he shouldn't, how could 1 ignore College Dropout and judge an artist partially, don't get a full perspective.

I've answered your points in depth but you seem to be ignoring it lol.

Maybe you don't relate to K-Rino, if you are a white guy maybe you don't relate to his music and Kanye is a more suitable acceptable artist to you. Not saying all white guys don't relate to his music , because many do, but you have to be a real dude, and have a certain conciousness about you.

The problem is you keep on talking about things you have NO understanding of, so it's futile having this debate in that sense. Because your just talking and saying things you know nothing about cause your in your emotions while I'm speaking knowledge and wisdom. I''m not sure if your capable of having this discussion if you can't grasp even the most basic of points I've made. Send someone else along to try lol.

 

[Jack Don the G]

Bob Dylan IS lyrically gifted though. But I don't prop people up because of acclaim but due to quality. You are misrepresenting my perspective, possibly deliberately or not. But I'll reiterate, you can be a great lyricist and be simplistic OR complex, Bob Marley I rate as 1 of the greatest artists of all time and he wans't necessarily a wordsmith. You think Bob Dylan wasn;t lyrically gifted? Am confused again. K-Rino is a better artist to me though yeah. And I like and respect Bob Dylan. But I don't prop people up like that based on acclaim like I said, completely objective, all that matters to me is the music and artistry.

Your telling me something I already know, when I'm 1 of the most knowledgeable people about lyrics in the world that are breathing. I'm not even going to get too deep into that, but I know about lyricists from ALL over, in all genres, I understand lyricism and music on a deep level. Youu don't seem familar with my posting history where I have acclaimed 2 Pac as a dope lyricist and he wans't overly complex, I've written big ass posts about how it doesn't have to be complex to = dope. So your telling me stuff I know about more than you. No your wrong, it's NOT about conevying your message as simple as possible, that's simply incorrect, it's about conveying your message most EFFECTIVELY as possible to suit the song. This concept sounds like a way to pop up simplistic wack people and dismiss complex 1s. K-Rino's word usage and lyrically is in another dimension to Kanye, if you can't see that I can't help you. I can't believe this lol, K-Rino is an MC, this is HIP HOP. Are you actually serious or fukking around with me? Lol. Artist not producer, I would have spcfied specfically producer if I meant that.

Im not saying Bob Dylan is not lyrical gifted. I was saying hes probably less lyrical gifted compared to K-rino in your eyes.

Dude, Im not even saying K-rino isnt a dimension higher then Kanye when it comes to lyrics. Like I have stated over and over again K-rino is dope. But that dont mean hes the better artist.

Again, read the thread title! ARTIST! not Mc not rapper not spitter not producer. ARTIST.

Since you have a hard time grasping this even tho you know so much about lyrics. Here is the definition of artist.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/artist?s=t

So producing is just another skill of an artist just as writing is. And since when is producing not HIP HOP?

And yeah, Im sorry if my tone is aggressive but I have a hard time with people acting all knowledgeable when they dont grasp the topic they are discussing even when the participants point it out over and over again.

Why are you so upset? I was trying to talk to you on a level, don't see why your being like that, but on you.

This isn't realistic, do you think Kanye should be judged if I just heard 808's? No he shouldn't, how could 1 ignore College Dropout and judge an artist partially, don't get a full perspective.

I've answered your points in depth but you seem to be ignoring it lol.

Maybe you don't relate to K-Rino, if you are a white guy maybe you don't relate to his music and Kanye is a more suitable acceptable artist to you. Not saying all white guys don't relate to his music , because many do, but you have to be a real dude, and have a certain conciousness about you.

The problem is you keep on talking about things you have NO understanding of, so it's futile having this debate in that sense. Because your just talking and saying things you know nothing about cause your in your emotions while I'm speaking knowledge and wisdom. I''m not sure if your capable of having this discussion if you can't grasp even the most basic of points I've made. Send someone else along to try lol.

I probably can relate more to K-rino then Kanye. But thats not the point. The point is, whos the better artist? What is it that I have no understanding of? What is it that I know nothing about?