Kamala Harris Officially Announces 2020 Presidential Bid - Kamala Bear... GRRRR!!!

[Worthless Loser]

Biden has more baggage than just the crime bill. He's the reason you can't do bankruptcy on your student loans! He bragged about being the Senator for MBNA! He voted for the Iraq War.

What is he even running on as a platform? Ok, you beat Trump, then what are you doing for the people? Is it just more of the same? No structural changes?

I think he can make it through that baggage because he's most likely the only person that can connect to midwestern Trump voters. So that may offset the potential loss from progressive voters.

His policy will be reverse everything Trump did and let nature take its course.

 

[intra vires]

First, I want to thank you for responding. You're the only Kamala support on this site who has articulated reasons. Also, sorry it took me a minute to respond, I didn’t want to submit a dissertation.

She may not be a progressive that fits the current label, she may be more of a centrist, and that is fine, for a few reasons, but mainly that we are in a crisis with the current admin, and we need to stop the bleeding.

I agree we're in a crisis and so are other western democracies; however, it’s not because of Trump. He’s a symptom of the problem. Simply removing him is not going to address the systemic issues that led to him (and hopefully not Le Pen) being elected. Kamala hasn’t indicated anything leading me to believe she understands what the problem is, let alone her willingness to work at addressing it.

She has spent a lifetime in public office, and is experienced in areas that qualify for higher office. When I say cog in a system, I am specifically saying when she was state AG and DA in SF. But, generally speaking that is true.

Spending a lifetime in public office, mostly as a prosecutor, in no way means you are qualified for the presidency. In any case, She was just elected to the Senate in 2016 so it’s not like she has a robust history working in legislative politics or foreign affairs. More importantly, experience in and of itself should not mean anything. John Bolton has plenty of experience in foreign policy, but I don’t know anyone claiming to be a Democrat who doesn’t want him and his ilk marginalized to the point of political non-existence.

I like her for the same reasons I liked Hillary Clinton. I would think if she had some more international experience, but here is where we are. These people are flawed, there is no purity in politics, esp. for someone who spent a lifetime in them, Obama may be as close as we ever get.

We’re in the primary and everyone’s record will be gone through with a fine-tooth comb, Kamala faces no unique criticism in that regard. Anyway, nobody is looking for “purity”, just people with integrity. Past actions can certainly give insight into that.

I also would like to see a woman in office, and a non white male, and someone who is relatively young, and from a progressive state, not a 78 year old, like Biden or Bernie. I'll take any Dem, but I personally like her. I don't know if she can win, or who you feel the better option is, but if she can win, I'd like to see her win.

Anyone can beat Trump, so we don’t even need an Obama to do that. Just someone who knows how to and where to campaign. For me, it's about policy and how the candidate plans on enacting it. If all things were equal, then I would choose the black or POC candidate over the white one. If all things were equal, then I would push for a woman to be elected. However, seldom are all things equal meaning policy is my most salient issue.

Anyway, thank you again for your responding and thank you for reading.

 

[intra vires]

She will get murdered by Trump especially with him trying to pass prison reform and her record being the complete opposite

That's an interesting point I had not considered.

I don't know if it's necessarily true but it's certainly interesting.

 

[re'up]

@intra vires

When I say crisis, I don't mean the existential, "what is wrong with Trump voters", or" how can we combat inequality", I do care about those things, but I mean this admin is separating children at the border, and are deporting people on a massive and cruel scale, our regulatory agencies have been gutted, so people who are at risk are even more at risk, and eroding any good previous admins have done, (EPA, HUD, Consumer Affairs) racism is being sanctioned and encouraged by the president, and his closest guys, which will spawn an entire new generation of hatred and discrimination. And that's off the top of my head.

A prosecutor, a senator, a US Attorney, Secretary of State, these are positions of importance and positions of integrity, they don't pre qualify anyone, and yes, there are less than honorable people in those offices, but I want someone with that experience, of jailing someone for their life, or contemplating the death penalty on a heinous and wrenching case, or deciding how to negotiate with nations whose ethics may repulse us. This builds character. This is important work. I don't want a reality tv star, or a tech guru, or a real estate developer, in the highest office, or any office, because they don't have that kind of experience. Obama is the shining star of the presidents.

The fact is, we are in a capitalist society and all our institutions reflect that, we won't change the awfulness of this existence for people. Our system isn't designed for that. We can try, we can try to ease or help as many as possible, but first, we need to be in power. There is no time for the bullshyt, the "Oh she had a cozy relationship with Steve Mnuchin". Those criticisms deny the nature of those positions and those roles.

 

[intra vires]

@intra vires

When I say crisis, I don't mean the existential, "what is wrong with Trump voters", or" how can we combat inequality", I do care about those things, but I mean this admin is separating children at the border, and are deporting people on a massive and cruel scale, our regulatory agencies have been gutted, so people who are at risk are even more at risk, and eroding any good previous admins have done, (EPA, HUD, Consumer Affairs) racism is being sanctioned and encouraged by the president, and his closest guys, which will spawn an entire new generation of hatred and discrimination. And that's off the top of my head.

Sure, but if you just want a “return to normalcy” she’s not uniquely qualified in this regard, almost any Democratic nominee will do. Moreover, her failure regarding OneWest Bank is an issue of enforcing regulations. So, it can be argued that she may be less qualified than others when it comes to regulatory agencies. Regulations are only as good as their enforcement.

I’m suppose to post excerpts of these articles later, but both are informative:

Treasury Nominee Steve Mnuchin’s Bank Accused of “Widespread Misconduct” in Leaked Memo

Kamala Harris Fails to Explain Why She Didn’t Prosecute Steven Mnuchin’s Bank

A prosecutor, a senator, a US Attorney, Secretary of State, these are positions of importance and positions of integrity, they don't pre qualify anyone, and yes, there are less than honorable people in those offices, but I want someone with that experience, of jailing someone for their life, or contemplating the death penalty on a heinous and wrenching case, or deciding how to negotiate with nations whose ethics may repulse us. This builds character. This is important work. I don't want a reality tv star, or a tech guru, or a real estate developer, in the highest office, or any office, because they don't have that kind of experience. Obama is the shining star of the presidents.

Okay but you’re talking about experience in a vacuum. Nothing you’ve said gets at the heart of the issue, which is are they doing a good job?

Without that nuance, it’s quite vacuous to talk about experience. That’s why I brought up Bolton. Based on his resume (ie experience) he’s qualified to be Secretary of State. Based on his actions he’d likely never be confirmed even with a GOP majority in the Senate. Based on Jeff Sessions' his resume he's qualified to be USAG, nonetheless the Democratic Party opposed his nomination. Brett Kavanaugh is another example... do you understand what I'm getting at? These things don't operate in a vacuum.

The fact is, we are in a capitalist society and all our institutions reflect that, we won't change the awfulness of this existence for people. Our system isn't designed for that. We can try, we can try to ease or help as many as possible, but first, we need to be in power. There is no time for the bullshyt, the "Oh she had a cozy relationship with Steve Mnuchin". Those criticisms deny the nature of those positions and those roles.

Okay and? None of this means she’s uniquely qualified to be Trump's challenger in the general election. However, she has quite a bit of baggage, which leads to valid critiques of her actions. Her "cozy relationship with Mnuchin" is overblown regarding the campaign donation; however, there are actual regulatory concerns with her failure to prosecute his bank.

Also, if she were actually cozy with Mnuchin, it would mean we cannot trust her to sufficiently regulate our “capitalist society”, especially when her friends are involved. Right now, we don’t know why she failed to prosecute, despite the evidence her subordinates gathered, which is something she will need to answer for.

 

[Cookie]

Not my first or even second choice, but if she's the nominee

Found this thread on Twitter with different links to articles of shyt she should be criticized for

 

[Airtrack360]

Joe Biden needs to hurry up and announce his run so these people can stop wasting their time and money.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Sure.











These kinds of attitudes are why the left always loses.

And my issue isn't with progressives (in fact, I am one) but that voters on the left are extremely self-defeating and it's going to cause more Ws for the GOP.

I think they just mean in the primary.
lol @ calling other people "self-defeating" calling yourself a Progressive and predicting Ws for the GOP. The irony is dense.

 

[Don Homer]

Aint no way we are electing a "black" woman now

 

[mitter]

No way she will get elected.

Her racial background will put off a lot of people, as will her personality, as will her gender



And just wait until all of the smears about her "sleeping her way to the top" start trickling out ...




It's not fair, but it's reality

 

[storyteller]

Not my first or even second choice, but if she's the nominee

Found this thread on Twitter with different links to articles of shyt she should be criticized for

That AG history is a killer for her. I have a feeling ideas like the LIFT act could gain traction but I also feel even that has better alternatives. So you couple some decent ideas with better alternatives and a bunch of bad moves in Cali; I don't see her breaking out of the pack at all.

 

[Donald J Trump]

lol @ yall wanting joe biden as president

hes the democratic version of george bush

 

[Robbie3000]

Her record as a prosecutor is going to end this pretty quickly. Hillary got dragged for a comment. Harris was locking people up.

Yeah, it's a pretty damning history. After this article, Opinion | Kamala Harris Was Not a ‘Progressive Prosecutor’, she is going to have a hard time gaining any votes from progressives.

I'd be hard pressed to vote for a former prosecutor off GP.

 

[Robbie3000]

Sure.











These kinds of attitudes are why the left always loses.

And my issue isn't with progressives (in fact, I am one) but that voters on the left are extremely self-defeating and it's going to cause more Ws for the GOP.

She literally the antithesis of what alot of progressive and black voters care about right now, criminal justice reform and friendly with Wall Street.

 

[FAH1223]

I think he can make it through that baggage because he's most likely the only person that can connect to midwestern Trump voters. So that may offset the potential loss from progressive voters.

His policy will be reverse everything Trump did and let nature take its course.

That ain’t it man. Midwestern Trump voters ain't the target, its the voters who went Obama-Obama-Trump and then put in 3 Democratic Governors in WI, MI and PA in November 2018.

Plus, reversing everything Trump has done is fine but America has huge socioeconomic problems that is blanketed by people living paycheck to paycheck. Healthcare is a crisis with the ACA doing nothing to put costs down. There has to be an appetite for doing bold, universal type shid.