Judge to rule on whether yoga tied to religion

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Yoga by it's very definition is rooted in religion. There's no way getting around it.

So are hospitals, books, and algebra. Are you arguing that yoga shouldn't be used to help keep people healthy and relaxed because it comes from a religion? How about acupuncture?

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[mbewane]

Books were created by Hebrews in the 1st Century in order to access different parts of scripture they kept on giant scrolls.

The number '0' was created by a Hindu and algebra is an Islamic term.

The first hospitals were in ancient Greek and Egyptian temples since religion and medicine were linked.
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Well who else was gonna create books, since the only acceptable education back then was religious education? And let's not forget that, for example, Catholisicm was initially AGAINST books when Gutenberg made printing wide-spread...guess why: because the Catholic Church didn't want knowledge to spread. And all religions are not linked to books, for example some traditional african beliefs.

Is Al-Gebra an "islamic" term, or an arab term tho? Now if algebra was created for religious purposes, that's something else. And the fact that the number "0" was created by a Hindu doesn't really prove anything does it? Was it part of a "religious" thought? I'm pretty sure Catholics, Hindus, Muslims have invented tons of stuff over the centuries, but does that mean that those inventions are "linked" to those religions? I mean back in the day you were basically burned if you were not religious, and education was mostly done within religious circles so obviously it will be people who identify as "religious" who might invent stuff.

I can understand hospitals being originally linked with religion (traditionnal medicine in Africa is heavily linked to animism), however I think a case can be made that medicine moved away from religion fairly early, the whole "science" vs "religion" discussion.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Books were created by Hebrews in the 1st Century in order to access different parts of scripture they kept on giant scrolls.

The number '0' was created by a Hindu and algebra is an Islamic term.

The first hospitals were in ancient Greek and Egyptian temples since religion and medicine were linked.
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Can you practice medicine without believing in "supernatural" concepts? Yes.

Can you practice Yoga without believing in the soul? No.

I don't understand your point, are you denying the religious roots of Yoga? Plenty of people perform "stretch exercises," the difference is that Yoga incorporates the mind, body, and soul, as opposed to strictly the physical.

You aren't making any sense right now.

 

[The Real]

IMO they shouldn't rule on Yoga itself, but rather on the particular brand of yoga being done there. Yoga itself could refer to any number of practices, some of which could be much more secularized by this point, and there certainly could be versions developed in the future that are completely nonreligious. I mean, styles of yoga have already been copyrighted by different people- that in itself is a testament to the muddiness here, since you can't exactly copyright a simple religious practice.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Well who else was gonna create books, since the only acceptable education back then was religious education?

Incorrect. There were schools of philosophy as well as religion at the time, but they still relied on scrolls and didn't invent books. Hebrews did.

And let's not forget that, for example, Catholisicm was initially AGAINST books when Gutenberg made printing wide-spread...guess why: because the Catholic Church didn't want knowledge to spread. And all religions are not linked to books, for example some traditional african beliefs.

Hebrews invented books. Not Gutenberg or the Catholic Church.

Is Al-Gebra an "islamic" term, or an arab term tho? Now if algebra was created for religious purposes, that's something else.

Arabic (Persian) and it was created for Islamic science by Muḥammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī under the direction of Caliph al-Ma'mun in the 9th century. The actual term was al-jabr.

And the fact that the number "0" was created by a Hindu doesn't really prove anything does it? Was it part of a "religious" thought?

Yes and yes.

I'm pretty sure Catholics, Hindus, Muslims have invented tons of stuff over the centuries, but does that mean that those inventions are "linked" to those religions?

Yes.

I mean back in the day you were basically burned if you were not religious,

This is false.

and education was mostly done within religious circles so obviously it will be people who identify as "religious" who might invent stuff.

Education was for those with the money to pay for it....then and now.

I can understand hospitals being originally linked with religion (traditionnal medicine in Africa is heavily linked to animism), however I think a case can be made that medicine moved away from religion fairly early, the whole "science" vs "religion" discussion.

Check the religiosity of the majority of those in the medical field, especially surgeons......

Surgeons and the spirit: a study on the relat... [J Relig Health. 2005] - PubMed - NCBI

This study aimed to identify the religious practices and beliefs of surgeons and the relationship between surgeons' locus of control and religiosity. Thirty-five surgeons completed a survey that included items from the Duke University Religion Index, the Salesian Center Intrinsic Religiosity Scale for Clinicians, and Rotter's Locus of Control Scale. Over 68% of sampled surgeons affirmed that their religious beliefs play a part in their practice, 47% attend religious services at least weekly, and 44% pray daily. There was no correlation between locus of control and religiosity. These results challenge the myth of the egocentric, agnostic surgeon.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

I don't understand your point, are you denying the religious roots of Yoga?
You aren't making any sense right now.

You don't understand because you're too busy trying to argue a point that no one is making. The yoga instruction has been proven to be beneficial, yet the parents don't want their children to be taught. That's fine, just sign a waiver that you don't want your kids to partake of the instruction or just don't let them attend the class. There's no point in taking it to court unless the kids are being forced to join which isn't the case AFAIK.
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[ugksam]

this case and this thread are perfect examples of people in this country loving to argue semantics

judge is probably just going to rule that they have to call it something other than yoga, which really doesn't make much sense.

 

[mbewane]

Incorrect. There were schools of philosophy as well as religion at the time, but they still relied on scrolls and didn't invent books. Hebrews did.



Hebrews invented books. Not Gutenberg or the Catholic Church.



Arabic (Persian) and it was created for Islamic science by Muḥammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī under the direction of Caliph al-Ma'mun in the 9th century. The actual term was al-jabr.



Yes and yes.



Yes.



This is false.



Education was for those with the money to pay for it....then and now.



Check the religiosity of the majority of those in the medical field, especially surgeons......

Surgeons and the spirit: a study on the relat... [J Relig Health. 2005] - PubMed - NCBI

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Man you quoting like this is making hard to answer...anyway...

So according to your logic, books are linked to Hebrews more so than to "Religion", because "Religion" encompasses all of them, which is not what you're saying.

I never said Gutenberg or Catholics invented books (anyway what's really the difference with scrolls in Ancient Egypt or China?) but that Gutenberg made it more widespread. And I was saying that Catholics OPPOSED it precisely because they did not want knowledge to be spread. Which kind of goes directly against the point that books are linked to religion, since here is one religion who was against books (and the Vatican kept a section of banned books until recently).

If you could expand on how "zero" was linked to Hinduism and how algebra was linked to Islam it would be clearer. Because people had obviously been counting before, or not?

And the last link doesn't really say much, I mean they interviewed a grand total of...35 surgeons in the US. Results would be much different would it 35 surgeons in France or Finland probably.

And you didn't really adress how other religions than Judaism don't have this relation with books, since the idea debated here is that "Books are linked to religion" (religion in general, not just Judaism).

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Man you quoting like this is making hard to answer...anyway...

Asking me a thousand questions isn't going to move the conversation along any faster.

So according to your logic, books are linked to Hebrews more so than to "Religion", because "Religion" encompasses all of them, which is not what you're saying.

Hebrews were identified only by their religion. Hebrews invented books. That is all.

I never said Gutenberg or Catholics invented books (anyway what's really the difference with scrolls in Ancient Egypt or China?) but that Gutenberg made it more widespread. And I was saying that Catholics OPPOSED it precisely because they did not want knowledge to be spread. Which kind of goes directly against the point that books are linked to religion, since here is one religion who was against books (and the Vatican kept a section of banned books until recently).

What you stated about Gutenberg, the Catholic Church and now, the Vatican, makes no difference and are 'red herrings'.

If you could expand on how "zero" was linked to Hinduism and how algebra was linked to Islam it would be clearer. Because people had obviously been counting before, or not?

Read this....Amazon.com: The Nothing that Is: A Natural History of Zero (9780195142372): Robert Kaplan, Ellen Kaplan: Books

And the last link doesn't really say much, I mean they interviewed a grand total of...35 surgeons in the US. Results would be much different would it 35 surgeons in France or Finland probably.

The case isn't in France or Finland, but America.

And you didn't really adress how other religions than Judaism don't have this relation with books, since the idea debated here is that "Books are linked to religion" (religion in general, not just Judaism).

No, the idea debated on MY end is with all the other things 'tied to' religion in the US, why are the parents taking this issue to court when all they have to do is keep their kids out of the class?​

 

[ExodusNirvana]

This fukking country

 

[mbewane]

Asking me a thousand questions isn't going to move the conversation along any faster.



Hebrews were identified only by their religion. Hebrews invented books. That is all.



What you stated about Gutenberg, the Catholic Church and now, the Vatican, makes no difference and are 'red herrings'.



Read this....Amazon.com: The Nothing that Is: A Natural History of Zero (9780195142372): Robert Kaplan, Ellen Kaplan: Books



The case isn't in France or Finland, but America.



No, the idea debated on MY end is with all the other things 'tied to' religion in the US, why are the parents taking this issue to court when all they have to do is keep their kids out of the class?​

Sorry for asking questions breh! Ok carry on, the bolded convinced me I'm losing my time here.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

You don't understand because you're too busy trying to argue a point that no one is making. The yoga instruction has been proven to be beneficial, yet the parents don't want their children to be taught. That's fine, just sign a waiver that you don't want your kids to partake of the instruction or just don't let them attend the class. There's no point in taking it to court unless the kids are being forced to join which isn't the case AFAIK.
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You're saying that Yoga isn't based on religious beliefs when it is, and then you go on to make absurd analogies to mathematics, books, and acupuncture to try and make your case

Whether or not its been proven to be beneficial is irrelevant. Yoga is a huge part of Hindu philosophy. If Christian beliefs are going to be kept out of school curriculums then Hindu beliefs should be treated the same way. It is what it is.

 

[newarkhiphop]

i had this issue one time with a Evangelical christian lady one time, didnt let her fakkit ass kid do yoga cause she swore it was a religion when all they was doin was stretches

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

You're saying that Yoga isn't based on religious beliefs when it is

No, I'm not and I defy you to find a post in this thread where I did. Like I said, you're arguing a point no one is making.​

 

[Blackking]

Yoga, as practiced now in the West, is HARDLY 'religious'......

Reclining Splits, Supta Trivikramasana in Ashtanga Yoga wtih Kino - YouTube
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