JR Smith vs John Starks - Who U Taking?

[Raw Lyrics]

breh, if the Knicks won that series,either Harper or Starks is finals MVP.

the guy people need to point that finger at is Ewing.

Slow down there, Ewing had his hands full trying to prevent some guy named The Dream from completely blacking the fukk out like he did on D-Rob.

Who'd Starks have to contend with? Vernon Maxwell?

I'm not saying Ewing had a stellar Finals, but playing against Hakeem will do that to ya.

They both share about equal blame for the Finals loss. However, Ewing was the glue — had Ewing had a better 2nd scorer, who knows?

 

[mastermind]

Slow down there, Ewing had his hands full trying to prevent some guy named The Dream from completely blacking the fukk out like he did on D-Rob.


Who'd Starks have to contend with? Vernon Maxwell?

I'm not saying Ewing had a stellar Finals, but playing against Hakeem will do that to ya.

They both share about equal blame for the Finals loss. However, Ewing was the glue — had Ewing had a better 2nd scorer, who knows?

im tryna figure this out, if Ewing is a great big man, HOFer then he shouldnt be shooting no 36% in the NBA finals.

FOH, and stop ing a dude who was supposed to be the number one option yet couldnt shoot above 40 percent in the series.

Starks and Harper were the 2 best players for the Knicks that series. Ewing was a complimentary player. They gave him the shots, and he shot 36 percent.

 

[humble Hermit]

Starks used to be my fav player as a Kid. I dunno why, I was like 8

 

[Raw Lyrics]

im tryna figure this out, if Ewing is a great big man, HOFer then he shouldnt be shooting no 36% in the NBA finals.

FOH, and stop ing a dude who was supposed to be the number one option yet couldnt shoot above 40 percent in the series.

Starks and Harper were the 2 best players for the Knicks that series. Ewing was a complimentary player. They gave him the shots, and he shot 36 percent.

Like I said, he had to contend with Hakeem who ate his food (and everyone else's food that year for that matter) by virtue of being a greater player!

However, Ewing shouldn't be greatly discredited for not being as great as Hakeem. Hakeem dropped 26 on 50% shooting and Ewing still managed to set an NBA Finals record of a total of 30 blocked shot, including 8 in one game and out-rebounded Olajuwon 87-64.

so it's not like Ewing was doing nothing, it's just that he had his hands full with The Dream. Starks had Vernon fukking Maxwell and you harp on Ewing shooting 36%?!?! At least he had the excuse of having, perhaps, one of the top ten defensive players in NBA history checking him. Starks also shot 36%, which includes that atrocious game 7, 2-18 choke job that will forever live in NBA infamy, what was his excuse? Who was checking Starks? I'll give you a hint....his name begins with a V...

Finally, Ewing was a Center, not a guard. He depends on perimeter players to pass him the ball and allow the offense to run the way it was predicated to run, from the inside out. A perimeter player needs to feed him the ball, not keep chucking when it's clear you stinking it up.

 

[mvp_status]

im tryna figure this out, if Ewing is a great big man, HOFer then he shouldnt be shooting no 36% in the NBA finals.

FOH, and stop ing a dude who was supposed to be the number one option yet couldnt shoot above 40 percent in the series.

Starks and Harper were the 2 best players for the Knicks that series. Ewing was a complimentary player. They gave him the shots, and he shot 36 percent.

I wouldn't go that far to call him a complimentary player (the disrespect ), but yea every game the Knicks won in that series was because Starks was bailing the team with big shots in the 4th quarter. That's why Riley kept him in the game in Game 7, because he was killing Houston in the clutch up until that point.

 

[Illeye buckmatic]

:wtfnas: is this even debatable.

Starks all day my nikka :nawnikka:

 

[mastermind]

I wouldn't go that far to call him a complimentary player (the disrespect ), but yea every game the Knicks won in that series was because Starks was bailing the team with big shots in the 4th quarter. That's why Riley kept him in the game in Game 7, because he was killing Houston in the clutch up until that point.

apologies, my post wasnt calling Ewing a complimentary player.

What I was doing was shytting on his play that series.

Like I said, he had to contend with Hakeem who ate his food (and everyone else's food that year for that matter) by virtue of being a greater player!

However, Ewing shouldn't be greatly discredited for not being as great as Hakeem. Hakeem dropped 26 on 50% shooting and Ewing still managed to set an NBA Finals record of a total of 30 blocked shot, including 8 in one game and out-rebounded Olajuwon 87-64.

so it's not like Ewing was doing nothing, it's just that he had his hands full with The Dream. Starks had Vernon fukking Maxwell and you harp on Ewing shooting 36%?!?! At least he had the excuse of having, perhaps, one of the top ten defensive players in NBA history checking him. Starks also shot 36%, which includes that atrocious game 7, 2-18 choke job that will forever live in NBA infamy, what was his excuse? Who was checking Starks? I'll give you a hint....his name begins with a V...

Finally, Ewing was a Center, not a guard. He depends on perimeter players to pass him the ball and allow the offense to run the way it was predicated to run, from the inside out. A perimeter player needs to feed him the ball, not keep chucking when it's clear you stinking it up.

dude shut up. Look at Hakeem's team. Look at that damn roster. The rosters were close but the Knicks were probably more slightly more talented. The Rockets had a worse coach too.

This cat is shytting on Vernon Maxwell as if dude wasnt one of the better perimeter defenders in the NBA during that time period, and also insane. You dont know what you talking about.

nikka shut up. Starks won them a few games late with big shots in that series. Ewing stunk it up. Shut up and stop ing Ewing. Ewing was crap that series and is the reason why they lost.

Shoot, that game 7 by Starks was an anomaly. You take that out and he shot 42 percent. Ewing shot 30% in game 6. The Knicks lots by 2 points. Starks killed it and damn near won the game on his own without Ewing.

 

[Liquid]

Slow down there, Ewing had his hands full trying to prevent some guy named The Dream from completely blacking the fukk out like he did on D-Rob.

Who'd Starks have to contend with? Vernon Maxwell?

I'm not saying Ewing had a stellar Finals, but playing against Hakeem will do that to ya.

They both share about equal blame for the Finals loss. However, Ewing was the glue — had Ewing had a better 2nd scorer, who knows?

If starks did not ball out the knicks would have lost that series in 5

Ewing had ONE good game and that was during the OJ Simpson chase. He got destroyed in that series...the only thing he had on The Dream were the rebounds which was a significant advantage.

To the OP:

Starks had plenty of moments, but I think anyone would take him over JR Smith.
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[Reggie]

I'll take Starks. He would be just as good as Smith if not better in this current era. And he was a better passer than JR too. And his defense was better than Smith's is. I thought John was like 6'2 or 6'3 but his bio says that he was 6'5 190. So im picking him first cuz he was usually solid and clutch minus that finals performance of his. But at least he helped a team get there as their second best overall player.

 

[Liquid]

BTW. JR Smith's defense is very underrated. He can play Defense when his head is in the game.

He has all the talent in the world...if he was just a bit smarter this would not even be a debate IMO...and I'm a knicks fan.

I'll take Starks. He would be just as good as Smith if not better in this current era. And he was a better passer than JR too. And his defense was better than Smith's is. I thought John was like 6'2 or 6'3 but his bio says that he was 6'5 190. So im picking him first cuz he was usually solid and clutch minus that finals performance of his. But at least he helped a team get there as their second best overall player.

Starks was listed at 6'5, but he is really 6'2 or 6'3

 

[Reggie]

::[He has all the talent in the world...if he was just a bit smarter this would not even be a debate IMO...and I'm a knicks fan.


Starks was listed at 6'5, but he is really 6'2 or 6'3[/quote]

He'd still be ok in this current time since he was a decent ballhandler. I agree with you about JR too. He plays good defense, but only when he feels like it. And I know I have said this before and may be but if he would have went to school for a year or two he could have been this era's second best shooting guard after Kobe. He's got every tool in the book and the perfect size. He just makes those dumb plays too often and his head aint always in the game.

 

[mastermind]

And I know I have said this before and may be but if he would have went to school for a year or two he could have been this era's second best shooting guard after Kobe.

what would he have learned playing at UNC under Roy Williams?

a big problem with JR, outside of his stupidity, is that he lacks elite handles.

 

[El Jefe]

i hate da knicks but im pretty sure ewiing was carryin all types of injuries into that series n some games they didnt even know if he was gonna line up .. unless that was the next final series against the spurs ?? maybe im gettin confused knicks fan im sure could help me out

 

[Raquinotj]

 

[Liquid]

That was 20 years ago already :wow2: