Josh Hawley 2024

[Json]

Y'all should think about how your thinking is ass backwards. You're assuming the momentary feelings ("I want to go in a restaurant." "I hate masks.") will be lasting, and the most profound shyt ("Mom is dead.") will be fleeting.

People's strongest negative feelings about the lockdown are gonna be right now. When the lockdowns are over those feelings will be less intense. But the dead people will still be dead - in fact, MORE of them will be dead because we are still far from the end.

When in US history have negative feelings about deaths ever faded in a single election cycle?




Bush won in the middle of our soldiers dying in the Iraq War. Nixon won in the middle of losing Vietnam.

Trump lost, he lost in large part due to this, and he lost when we were only halfway through.

Horrific boondoggles always look worse in retrospect, not better. More people are going to keep dying, and more people are going to face long-term health consequences, and when it's over more people are going to get to spend time with family and hear awful stories.

Three years from now, bytching about wearing a mask or missing a motorcycle rally is going to seem trite. But all the dead people are going to still be just as dead and that's real.




About 70%. In other words, 150,000 deaths under 70. That's an insane number.

i don’t think it’s the deaths that bothered people about Trump. I’m not saying people weren’t angered but in large if it felt like he and his people messed up but put 100% in trying he wouldn’t have been penalized by the electorate.

A coach can have a bad season and still have the backing of the team and fans but after a certain point people will lose faith in his ability to find a good direction.


Trump skated cause none of his fake bravado mattered when it was Charlottesville or the impeachment. It was politics as usual.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

imagine being such a fukkin democrat shill that you can't venture outside your comfort zone and realize the fact that because everyone hates lockdowns, literally no one is blaming politicians for covid deaths

shockingly embarrassing posting

So you couldn't answer the question. What is the source of your information for your claim that political decisions haven't affected Covid deaths?

And you stuck in 3 logical fallacies to hide the fact that you had no argument for anything I said. As always.

 

[the cac mamba]

So you couldn't answer the question. What is the source of your information for your claim that political decisions haven't affected Covid deaths?

And you stuck in 3 logical fallacies to hide the fact that you had no argument for anything I said. As always.

its called common sense

say it out loud: you think that in 2024, 3 years after the pandemic, you believe that american voters will be saying "shyt, i wish candidate X instituted stricter lockdowns on me"

thats so shockingly fukkin stupid that i dont even have any words

 

[Professor Emeritus]

its called common sense

say it out loud: you think that in 2024, 3 years after the pandemic, you believe that american voters will be saying "shyt, i wish candidate X instituted stricter lockdowns on me"

thats so shockingly fukkin stupid that i dont even have any words

That's not the question I asked you. And the extra logical fallacies you threw in don't help your case.

You said, "covid deaths arent any politician's fault".

I asked what your basis was for that. Not whether people "blamed" politicians for Covid deaths, but whether politicians really were at fault for how they handled Covid, leading to more deaths. Did the actions of politicians affect Covid deaths or not, and how do you know?

If your excuse was that you were just talking loosely and didn't mean what you said, then say that.

 

[the cac mamba]

That's not the question I asked you.

You said, "covid deaths arent any politician's fault".

I asked what your basis was for that. Not whether people "blamed" politicians for Covid deaths, but whether politicians really did bear responsibility for them. Did the actions of politicians affect Covid deaths or not, and how do you know?

If your excuse was that you were just talking loosely and didn't mean what you said, then say that.

oh im sorry, can you point me to your thread blaming cuomo for his poor decision making resulting in nursing home deaths?

or, as a rational human being, did you not blame cuomo because it wasnt his fukking fault?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

oh im sorry, can you point me to your thread blaming cuomo for his poor decision making resulting in nursing home deaths?

or, as a rational human being, did you not blame cuomo because it wasnt his fukking fault?

That, once again, would be a logical fallacy. I haven't made any threads about any governors, so the lack of a particular thread about Cuomo is meaningless.

Was it Cuomo's fault that he had horrific nursing home policy? Yes. He'll get some extra leeway cause New York got hit first and people weren't sure what to do, but he made some clear mistakes. If he had made those same mistakes this winter once the danger was clear it would have been murder.

Now answer the question you're still avoiding. Did the actions of politicians affect Covid deaths or not, and how do you know?

 

[the cac mamba]

That, once again, would be a logical fallacy. I haven't made any threads about any governors, so the lack of a particular thread about Cuomo is meaningless.

Was it Cuomo's fault that he had horrific nursing home policy? Yes. He'll get some extra leeway cause New York got hit first and people weren't sure what to do, but he made some clear mistakes. If he had made those same mistakes this winter once the danger was clear it would have been murder.

Now answer the question you're still avoiding. Did the actions of politicians affect Covid deaths or not, and how do you know?

no.they didnt i'll point to florida and georgia being roughly on the same footing as new york and california as my evidence

what's yours?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

no.they didnt i'll point to florida and georgia being roughly on the same footing as new york and california as my evidence

what's yours?

North and South Dakota's death rates are 400-500% higher than Oregon and Washington's death rates. Even though Oregon/Washington are more densely populated and all four states had roughly the same weather this fall. How do you explain that outside of policy?

What is your source that California and Florida are on the same footing?

We already had this fukking argument and you had no CLUE what "footing" the states were on. California has the 10th-lowest death rate in the USA and New York has been basically flat after they got hit with the first wave, though they do have to deal with Covid-favorable weather and the highest population density in the country. Florida/Georgia have death rates 50% higher than Cali despite having the most unfavorable weather in the country for the Covid virus. I posted graphs of the data and everything. You didn't pay any attention.

What is your source that those states are on the same footing? Who do you read that tells you that?

 

[the cac mamba]

North and South Dakota's death rates are 400-500% higher than Oregon and Washington's death rates. Even though Oregon/Washington are more densely populated and all four states had roughly the same weather this fall. How do you explain that outside of policy?

What is your source that California and Florida are on the same footing?

We already had this fukking argument and you had no CLUE what "footing" the states were on. California has the 10th-lowest death rate in the USA and New York has been basically flat after they got hit with the first wave, though they do have to deal with Covid-favorable weather and the highest population density in the country. Florida/Georgia have death rates 50% higher than Cali despite having the most unfavorable weather in the country for the Covid virus. I posted graphs of the data and everything. You didn't pay any attention.

What is your source that those states are on the same footing? Who do you read that tells you that?

i have to say breh, you're one of the smartest posters in here. hence that prestigious banner

the fact that you're willing to sit here with a straight face and say that the american voter will hold politicians accountable for not locking them down enough in 2024 is fukkin embarrassing. its like you're trying to play some kinda character or something

 

[Professor Emeritus]

i have to say breh, you're one of the smartest posters in here. hence that prestigious banner

the fact that you're willing to sit here with a straight face and say that the american voter will hold politicians accountable for not locking them down enough in 2024 is fukkin embarrassing. its like you're trying to play some kinda character or something

I'm giving you a 6th try, what is your source on how states are doing on coronavirus? What is your source of the efficacy of political decisions?

Are you really that vain that you're afraid to say that you don't do any research and just pulled those claims out of your ass?

First 5 times you attacked me instead of answering the question. What is your main source of information on this?

 

[the cac mamba]

I'm giving you a 6th try, what is your source on how states are doing on coronavirus? What is your source of the efficacy of political decisions?

Are you really that vain that you're afraid to say that you don't do any research and just pulled those claims out of your ass?

First 5 times you attacked me instead of answering the question. What is your main source of information on this?

i told you like two hours ago that my source is common sense

exactly what is it about the american people that makes you think that "they didnt lock me down enough" will be some sort of deciding factor in the election 4 years from now?

is it the fact that 90 percent of america hates the lockdowns? oh wait, that proves my point

 

[mc_brew]

I'm giving you a 6th try, what is your source on how states are doing on coronavirus? What is your source of the efficacy of political decisions?

Are you really that vain that you're afraid to say that you don't do any research and just pulled those claims out of your ass?

First 5 times you attacked me instead of answering the question. What is your main source of information on this?

he has a good brain....

 

[Json]

Unless dude is ready to give up his seat, this is going to end with him looking like he gave up and joined the swamp

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Popular vote is irrelevant. Those couple narrow victories you mentioned were the difference between the results in 2016 and 2020.

In no way was it a blowout by Biden.

Ok let's break this down.

Michigan and PA were both well over 100,000 vote win for Biden. They were not close races. Biden won those and all the Hilary states + Omaha which wasn't close either...

So he needed one more state out of GA, Wisconsin and Arizona. He won all 3 of those states. Trump would have had to be perfect in 3 states to win the election. He won none of them...

So you can keep your idea that it was close... the odds of Trump pulling that out of his ass are slim, it wasn't going to happen again.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Not to mention the fact that Biden was not SUPPOSED to win GA and AZ. That shows you how lopsided the race is when a candidate is winning in places that he wouldn't have dreamed of months prior...