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So you're just in denial that people on the left support Hawley? You're defending people on that left that don't exist? How does this help you and why are you doing that again?
This reads like those white racists who tell prominent black people to denounce another black person they don’t know.
 

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This isn't to be rude at all, but the last time "internationalist" meant anything of substance was in my senior year advanced comparative politics class.

Trump and Reagan absolutely supported US domestic corporations, and worldwide corporate expansion. They just wanted sweetheart deals.

Reagan also spent quite a bit of time "sowing hate" domestically, he just did it in a much cleaner way - owing to a better vocabulary and a more calming voice.
I disagree. While, yes, most of Trump's economic policies and domestic policies are similar or identical to Reagan. This right-wing populist wave of the past 5 years that has swept through the US, Europe, Brazil and other parts of the world is different. It has been anti-immigrant, anti-globalism and no strict social ideology.

The Trump administration has had very restrictive immigration policies and he campaigned in 2016 on hardline immigration policies (even though he toned it down this year). Reagan never did that, he always promoted that America was a "nation of immigrants" and even granted amnesty to million of illegal immigrants - something that Trump would NEVER do. Reagan always touted how immigration is what make the US different and special from most other developed countries (at the time).

Also, Trump has a very isolationist & transactional view of America's role in the world. Trump believes that America shouldn't be at the forefront of everything and that if the US is going to be involved in a multilateral deal or organization then there should ALWAYS be an equal or greater benefit in it for the US (and if it doesn't then America will leave behind that deal or organization). Reagan was the complete opposite of that. Reagan believed that America should be the "leader" of the world and that America's "example" will lead other nations to becoming "free and democratic". America is "the shining city upon a hill" that other nations aspire to be, according to Reagan. Trump just doesn't believe that, he walked away from multilateral agreements (Paris Climate Agreement, WHO, TPP) and soured relations with many of our allies (NATO/EU, South Korea, Japan, Canada, etc).

Finally, Ronald Reagan was an ideologue and strongly believed in "conservative principles". Trump is not an ideologue and says whatever he wants if he thinks it will help him with a certain group of people. Trump has gone against many standard "conservative principles" that previous Republican presidents would not do. Most notably the policy of "free trade" - Reagan, Bush 41 & 43 were very much pro-free trade. Trump is not.
 

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This reads like those white racists who tell prominent black people to denounce another black person they don’t know.

Aren't you white? Are you speaking from experience? This seems like some kind of weird projection on your part.


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Aren't you white? Are you speaking from experience? This seems like some kind of weird projection on your part.


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If I were an Anglo-Saxon from Finland, your post would still read like a white racist telling a prominent black person to denounce something a black person they don’t know said.
 

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So you're just in denial that people on the left support Hawley? You're defending people on that left that don't exist? How does this help you and why are you doing that again?
Where is the defense post you said was in this thread? Why haven't you quoted it yet? Why are you changing the subject?
 

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Did Trump say anything about Hawley? In fact I have never seen Trump talk about him much.

I think Trump knows what he is trying to do here.
 

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How many threads is nap going to derail with this Matt Stoller shyt? Who cares? I barely even know who this guy is.

Posting these losers on twitter and youtube all day and getting caught up in their "drama." It's lame af
This.
I disagree. While, yes, most of Trump's economic policies and domestic policies are similar or identical to Reagan. This right-wing populist wave of the past 5 years that has swept through the US, Europe, Brazil and other parts of the world is different. It has been anti-immigrant, anti-globalism and no strict social ideology.

The Trump administration has had very restrictive immigration policies and he campaigned in 2016 on hardline immigration policies (even though he toned it down this year). Reagan never did that, he always promoted that America was a "nation of immigrants" and even granted amnesty to million of illegal immigrants - something that Trump would NEVER do. Reagan always touted how immigration is what make the US different and special from most other developed countries (at the time).

Also, Trump has a very isolationist & transactional view of America's role in the world. Trump believes that America shouldn't be at the forefront of everything and that if the US is going to be involved in a multilateral deal or organization then there should ALWAYS be an equal or greater benefit in it for the US (and if it doesn't then America will leave behind that deal or organization). Reagan was the complete opposite of that. Reagan believed that America should be the "leader" of the world and that America's "example" will lead other nations to becoming "free and democratic". America is "the shining city upon a hill" that other nations aspire to be, according to Reagan. Trump just doesn't believe that, he walked away from multilateral agreements (Paris Climate Agreement, WHO, TPP) and soured relations with many of our allies (NATO/EU, South Korea, Japan, Canada, etc).

Finally, Ronald Reagan was an ideologue and strongly believed in "conservative principles". Trump is not an ideologue and says whatever he wants if he thinks it will help him with a certain group of people. Trump has gone against many standard "conservative principles" that previous Republican presidents would not do. Most notably the policy of "free trade" - Reagan, Bush 41 & 43 were very much pro-free trade. Trump is not.
Their immigration policies were different, but anti-immigration policies pre-date Trump - they started with Clinton. Were Reagan a Republican in the post-Clinton world, he would have held onto the exact same principles - as Bush, Romney, Jeb, McCain, and Trump all have declared/purported to do.

Some of the latter post isn't really true - Reagan absolutely had isolationist and transactional views and policies he either implemented or advocated for - Trump is not an "actual" isolationist, he believes in meddling in international affairs and has done so throughout the entirety of his presidency.

As for the "conservative principles" piece - Trump does not deviate from conservative principles. Particularly what you're describing as "free trade."
 
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