Jon Tester on why Dems keep losing rural states

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No amount of counterattacks will make people who think Joe Biden is a socialist due to facebook and whatsapp into rational voters.
Kamala got bad press for going to a venezuelan restaurant because the south Americans said she was socialist.
:dead: you gotta be shytting me

any venezuelan restaurant in the US is surely owned by anti-chavistas
 

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:dead: you gotta be shytting me

any venezuelan restaurant in the US is surely owned by anti-chavistas
"The socialists have destroyed my homeland, Venezuela!"
---restaurant owner, Brunhilda Messerschmitt

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I hate to say it but I'm starting to think Dems should throw Florida in the bushes. :francis:

Might be a better use of resources to focus on less ridiculous states (no offense Florida brehs).

Like? The problem with Florida is that some cycles, its close enough like 2018 to get Dems excited
 

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I'm here to say on post #40....maybe the Dems need to think a lot less about how they campaign and a lot more about actually solving rural issues?

Corporate agriculture has fukked over rural families and rural communities for generations, it keeps getting worse, and they hold rural governments and populace hostage and tell them its their way or the highway. And the Democrats have HELPED that happen, the corporate takeover of rural America has been completely bipartisan. If Democrats can actually stand up for the family farmer and other rural small businessmen and stop kissing corporate ass they would have a chance of saving rural communities, and then that would be some kick-ass shyt to run on in the rural races.

But of course, Biden just appointed a corporate lobbyist to head the Department of Agriculture yet again....:snoop:
 

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One thing that Democrats didn't have pre-2018/2019 was AOC. Every Democrat in the country is going to be tied to AOC/Ilhan/Tlaib.

That is hugely detrimental to Democrats in rural areas. Whether progressives want to hear that or not or whether that's fair or not. Having a small group of Democrats actually embrace the "socialist" label is not a thing that helps the party as a whole.

Just saw a poll that showed that AOC and Pelosi were neck-and-neck among white no-college voters in battleground states. Which is almost certainly AOC's worst constituency.

At least AOC brings something to the table in places like Montana. She's gonna energize young people, progressives, Latinos (who are a significant % in almost every rural area nowadays). Meanwhile the Democrat leadership is attractive to....who exactly?

Low-info folk called corporate dems like Obama and Clinton socialist and believed it with all their hearts, having AOC up there doesn't change anything. Look at how Bernie was actually more popular in rural areas while leading with socialism front and center. If you can actually promote policies that will help these people's lives and sell it well to them, enough of the moderates won't give a fukk what name you put on it. You'll win some of those states.

And I don't want to hear, "But the democrats have been promoting polices that would help them!" The lives of rural people in the USA have been doing downhill for 30-40 years. They're dominated by shrinking populations, losing family farms, losing small businesses, opium epidemic, etc. no matter who was in charge. Dems being somewhat better on social programs than Republicans are isn't what those communities need, they need a fundamental change in how the Department of Agriculture and federal government in general serves corporations first and people second.
 

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Just saw a poll that showed that AOC and Pelosi were neck-and-neck among white no-college voters in battleground states. Which is almost certainly AOC's worst constituency.

At least AOC brings something to the table in places like Montana. She's gonna energize young people, progressives, Latinos (who are a significant % in almost every rural area nowadays). Meanwhile the Democrat leadership is attractive to....who exactly?

Low-info folk called corporate dems like Obama and Clinton socialist and believed it with all their hearts, having AOC up there doesn't change anything. Look at how Bernie was actually more popular in rural areas while leading with socialism front and center. If you can actually promote policies that will help these people's lives and sell it well to them, enough of the moderates won't give a fukk what name you put on it. You'll win some of those states.

And I don't want to hear, "But the democrats have been promoting polices that would help them!" The lives of rural people in the USA have been doing downhill for 30-40 years. They're dominated by shrinking populations, losing family farms, losing small businesses, opium epidemic, etc. no matter who was in charge. Dems being somewhat better on social programs than Republicans are isn't what those communities need, they need a fundamental change in how the Department of Agriculture and federal government in general serves corporations first and people second.
I agree with the rest of your post, but I didn't see any particular large activation of Texas young and Latino voters attributed to her above and beyond the expected during the last election, despite her involvement. I don't think she'd change anything in states like Montana either.
 
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