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Joker vs. Bane
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Exactly. Sometimes I feel like we all didnt watch the same movie. The "Bane was just a sidekick" shyt is uncalled for. We all saw how lost & vulnerable Talia looked out there when she died.......now how faster would that fate have came if she didn't have Bane around to execute her plans? If she was the one out there running the streets
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FlyGuy
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Bane....and for those who say he went out like a sucker, I guess the Joker dangling from a wire was better right？
I know he didn't die but still...Bane was never getting captured by anyone. O ly way was to kill him.
Box Cutta
Bumbling Sidekick
For me, it's not about who actually did more damage. Yeah, Bane clearly had a bigger effect on Gotham then Joker did, but as far as who was the more captivating villain..it's Joker for me, easily.
Ledger stole every seen, stole the entire movie. Quotables for days (Nearly everything Joker said became memefied and much of it is genuinely iconic).
"Look at me....LOOK.AT.ME!"
Oh and...I'm glad Joker wasn't in TDKR. I understand that his reason for not being in it is terrible, but speaking just on the character front...I don't really see a place for him. Some people said that it would have been cool if he was running the trials instead of Scarecrow...I disagree. Joker was a force of nature, completely uncontrollable, would have been out of character for him to cooperate with Bane in any fashion. He didn't care to destroy Gotham or Batman...he was more interested in just general villainy, fukking with people, and being about that life....
One thing that actually might have been cool, and this is pure fan fiction...but what if The Joker somehow ended up helping Batman in some way? Bane wants to destroy Gotham, thinks Joker will help him, but at some point gets double crossed. Movie ends with Batman and Joker "destined to do this forever" (Maybe Bruce still leaves, but leaves it up to Blake to deal with Joker)....
Edit : Basically, Joker would be sorta like what Catwoman was, except for very different reasons, and wouldn't actually work hands on with Batman.
This is the kind of shyt that would go down in a cartoon or something, but maybe wouldn't have translated well to the big screen. Still, shame we never got the chance to see what Nolan would have done with the character (I don't care what he says, I think that Joker would have at least had a cameo if Ledger didn't pass).
I rate him highly. I've said this before on here, every time I watch that movie, my respect of this character goes up a notch. Very good performance on Eckhart's behalf (Especially when you consider that most of his screen time is shared with the worst character in the trilogy, Rachel), actually had a fantastic theme throughout the movie (Goes from making his own luck, to a scarred man placing everything on a burned double sided coin).
"It's not about what I want, it's about what's FAIR! You thought we could be decent men, in an indecent time! Well, you were wrong. The world is cruel, and the only morality in a cruel world is chance. Unbiased. Unprejudiced. Fair. His son's got the same chance she had. 50-50".
Powerful monologue....
Not that I don't fukk with Bane. Hardy did his thing. I actually think that while tying him into the whole League of Shadows things was good for the trilogy as a whole and brought everything full closure, it wasn't necessarily beneficial for Bane as a Character.
Ledger stole every seen, stole the entire movie. Quotables for days (Nearly everything Joker said became memefied and much of it is genuinely iconic).
"Look at me....LOOK.AT.ME!"
Oh and...I'm glad Joker wasn't in TDKR. I understand that his reason for not being in it is terrible, but speaking just on the character front...I don't really see a place for him. Some people said that it would have been cool if he was running the trials instead of Scarecrow...I disagree. Joker was a force of nature, completely uncontrollable, would have been out of character for him to cooperate with Bane in any fashion. He didn't care to destroy Gotham or Batman...he was more interested in just general villainy, fukking with people, and being about that life....
One thing that actually might have been cool, and this is pure fan fiction...but what if The Joker somehow ended up helping Batman in some way? Bane wants to destroy Gotham, thinks Joker will help him, but at some point gets double crossed. Movie ends with Batman and Joker "destined to do this forever" (Maybe Bruce still leaves, but leaves it up to Blake to deal with Joker)....
Edit : Basically, Joker would be sorta like what Catwoman was, except for very different reasons, and wouldn't actually work hands on with Batman. This is the kind of shyt that would go down in a cartoon or something, but maybe wouldn't have translated well to the big screen. Still, shame we never got the chance to see what Nolan would have done with the character (I don't care what he says, I think that Joker would have at least had a cameo if Ledger didn't pass).
I rate him highly. I've said this before on here, every time I watch that movie, my respect of this character goes up a notch. Very good performance on Eckhart's behalf (Especially when you consider that most of his screen time is shared with the worst character in the trilogy, Rachel), actually had a fantastic theme throughout the movie (Goes from making his own luck, to a scarred man placing everything on a burned double sided coin).
"It's not about what I want, it's about what's FAIR! You thought we could be decent men, in an indecent time! Well, you were wrong. The world is cruel, and the only morality in a cruel world is chance. Unbiased. Unprejudiced. Fair. His son's got the same chance she had. 50-50".
Powerful monologue....
Not that I don't fukk with Bane. Hardy did his thing. I actually think that while tying him into the whole League of Shadows things was good for the trilogy as a whole and brought everything full closure, it wasn't necessarily beneficial for Bane as a Character.
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Exactly. Sometimes I feel like we all didnt watch the same movie. The "Bane was just a sidekick" shyt is uncalled for. We all saw how lost & vulnerable Talia looked out there when she died.......now how faster would that fate have came if she didn't have Bane around to execute her plans If she was the one out there running the streets
Exactly, he's a fukkin simp.
FlyGuy
pimp of the year
Well put.
I also don't think some of you quite understand that Joker actually accomplished his mission in the end. I mean sure the people didn't blow up the boats like they were suppose to but he ended up corrupting Gotham's #1 public figure and turning him into psychopath. He even said that it was his mission all along and wouldn't let it come down to a mere "fist fight" (oh the irony). Bats even had to kill him and take the wrap and ended up moping around his mansion with a cane for 8 years shooting bow and arrows.
I don't want to start in on this movie again but the whole aspect of him retiring b/c of that droopy the dog face broad is bullshyt. So you mean to tell me Bats is gonna completely abandon the mission he set due to his parents dying over this ugly ass broad....Really? Get the fukk outta here. This nikka had none of the real Bats qualities. Getting his car stolen by cat woman letting that Talia broad roll up and stab him and having tears well up in his eyes about to cry in the car...This nikka was a Phony..a big fat phony. He had the simp qualities of Supes more than anything.
I don't want to start in on this movie again but the whole aspect of him retiring b/c of that droopy the dog face broad is bullshyt. So you mean to tell me Bats is gonna completely abandon the mission he set due to his parents dying over this ugly ass broad....Really? Get the fukk outta here. This nikka had none of the real Bats qualities. Getting his car stolen by cat woman letting that Talia broad roll up and stab him and having tears well up in his eyes about to cry in the car...This nikka was a Phony..a big fat phony. He had the simp qualities of Supes more than anything.
Actually Bane retired him for good
He aint want no more parts of that job afterwards.
I'm going with Joker.
1. You think Bane caused Bats more pain? Joker killed Rachel leaving Bruce as a husk of the man he once was. He basically took away the reason for Batman to live. By contrast, Bane gave him back a reason to live.
2. Bane was only a threat because he was a good fighter. Nothing lead me to believe that he was a mastermind planer as it seemed he was getting his orders from and the plans were created by Talia.
3. Joker took no orders....everybody seems to be forgetting that lol
4. If Joker was alive and in Rises movie...Rises will be like The Good, The Bad, The Ugly style, Joker would use them both so Bane just being a pawn, Batman would have to be on Joker's side for a good reason.
1. You think Bane caused Bats more pain? Joker killed Rachel leaving Bruce as a husk of the man he once was. He basically took away the reason for Batman to live. By contrast, Bane gave him back a reason to live.
2. Bane was only a threat because he was a good fighter. Nothing lead me to believe that he was a mastermind planer as it seemed he was getting his orders from and the plans were created by Talia.
3. Joker took no orders....everybody seems to be forgetting that lol
4. If Joker was alive and in Rises movie...Rises will be like The Good, The Bad, The Ugly style, Joker would use them both so Bane just being a pawn, Batman would have to be on Joker's side for a good reason.
