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:scust: That white privilege
if you think that a member of the democratic party is gonna run and win on black issues specifically in 2020, i think you're kidding yourself :yeshrug: i'd rather biden run and win, than warren run and lose. and i'll be voting for whoever wins the democratic nomination, no matter who it is, so i'm not sure what else to say
 

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Those who can vote based on "just getting Trump" either are White and/or have privileges.

As a working class Black person, I don't have those privileges so voting based on policies is more logical for me.

At least in the primaries. I understand that train of thought in the general. However, the Dems should put out someone who energizes their base and can grab independents.
 

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At least in the primaries. I understand that train of thought in the general. However, the Dems should put out someone who energizes their base and can grab independents.

That still justifies what I'm saying. If you want to energize the base and grab independents you gotta come with policies and not empty platitudes.
 

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i support whoever polls as the number 1 candidate who can beat trump in 2020 :ehh:

i dont give a fukk about their past. i dont give a fukk about their policies :yeshrug:

We've seen that story play out in 2016 with Clinton and here we are. People were pushing for her because she was more "electable", whatever that means, and she lost. People were willing to overlook her problems, her history and her lack of progressive policies because they thought she had a better chance of beating Trump but here we are.

What makes people think that Biden has a better chance of beating Trump. He's a multiple time loser in presidential elections with no popular ideas and a terrible history as a senator haunting him. I read someone say that he won twice with Obama but that's irrelevant. Obama was the face of those campaigns and Joe was just the guy in the background who had to not fukk up against Sarah Palin and whoever Romney had as a vice presidential pick, someone so irrelevant that I doubt anyone remembers them off the top of their head. Also when was the last time a vice president won the presidency? Bush Sr in the 80's. You would think with as popular as Clinton was that Al Gore would have been a shoe in but that wasn't the case.

If the Democrats end up with another center right candidate who promises to do nothing major and bring us back to the status quo when a lot of people weren't doing great Trump might just win again.

Finally, Bernie Sanders is beating Trump by double digits in most polls and has a major lead on him in the states that cost Hillary the election. The same thing was true in the last election. To justify not supporting him by saying he can't beat Trump is disingenuous. I don't know if that's you but I know that a lot of people are using that excuse to support Biden over Sanders.
 

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We've seen that story play out in 2016 with Clinton and here we are. People were pushing for her because she was more "electable", whatever that means, and she lost. People were willing to overlook her problems, her history and her lack of progressive policies because they thought she had a better chance of beating Trump but here we are.

What makes people think that Biden has a better chance of beating Trump. He's a multiple time loser in presidential elections with no popular ideas and a terrible history as a senator haunting him. I read someone say that he won twice with Obama but that's irrelevant. Obama was the face of those campaigns and Joe was just the guy in the background who had to not fukk up against Sarah Palin and whoever Romney had as a vice presidential pick, someone so irrelevant that I doubt anyone remembers them off the top of their head. Also when was the last time a vice president won the presidency? Bush Sr in the 80's. You would think with as popular as Clinton was that Al Gore would have been a shoe in but that wasn't the case.

If the Democrats end up with another center right candidate who promises to do nothing major and bring us back to the status quo when a lot of people weren't doing great Trump might just win again.

Finally, Bernie Sanders is beating Trump by double digits in most polls and has a major lead on him in the states that cost Hillary the election. The same thing was true in the last election. To justify not supporting him by saying he can't beat Trump is disingenuous. I don't know if that's you but I know that a lot of people are using that excuse to support Biden over Sanders.
It's completely disingenuous. Really what's going on is they hope Biden wins but if not they rather Trump than Sanders.
 

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We've seen that story play out in 2016 with Clinton and here we are. People were pushing for her because she was more "electable", whatever that means, and she lost. People were willing to overlook her problems, her history and her lack of progressive policies because they thought she had a better chance of beating Trump but here we are.
the only people who thought hillary was more electable were fukking idiots. everyone has hated hillary clinton since the 90s. and anyone who thought she wad a better choice than bernie to go against trump in 2016 is a fukking idiot too
 

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What if Joe Biden runs away with this thing?
Washington (CNN) — The main storyline in the 2020 presidential race is this one: There are just so many candidates!!!

And there are! With Montana Gov. Steve Bullock's announcement Tuesday morning, there are now 22(!) candidates running for the Democratic nomination. And that field could grow even larger later this week, when New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio is set to make a decision on his future political plans.
But there's another below-the-radar story that is emerging: Joe Biden is way, way out ahead of the rest of the giant field.

According to the Real Clear Politics average of national polling, Biden now has a 23.5-point lead over Bernie Sanders (and the rest of the pack). That's a massive leap for Biden from even a few weeks ago, when his lead was just 6 points over Sanders in RCP numbers. Biden is also ahead in Iowa (+4 in RCP averages), New Hampshire (+13 in RCP) and South Carolina (+23.5). (Nevada, which holds an early caucus, hasn't had enough polling to produce real averages.)
Now, Biden's bump is quite clearly the result of positive press surrounding his entrance into the race after months of hemming and hawing. The former vice president's rollout has been spot on, with none of the gaffes or negative press coverage that hamstrung his attempt to build momentum in the run-up to the announcement.

The most likely outcome, then, is that Biden's numbers return to earth somewhat after the initial glow of his announcement wears off. But even "returning to earth" will likely mean Biden's lead nationally is in -- at minimum -- the 10- to 15-point range. Which is still significant, especially if he continues to lead in key early states like Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina.

All of which raises an interesting possibility: What if, in this giant field, Biden runs away with the nomination? For all the focus on how many people are running, the race could effectively be over on February 3, 2020, if Biden crushes the field in the Iowa caucuses.

To be clear: This is not the most likely scenario. Primary voters -- in both parties -- tend to like competitive races. They don't like coronations. Hillary Clinton, at this point in the 2016 election, had a far larger lead over Sanders than Biden does today. And that primary fight wound up being far closer -- and lasting much longer -- than anyone would have imagined at the time.

But there are three reasons to think Biden could -- emphasis on could -- run away and hide with the nomination.

1) He's broadly liked within the party. Biden's lead over his rivals is not solely the result of his superior name identification. It's also because he is viewed quite favorably by Democrats of all stripes. In the latest CNN poll, conducted late last month, more than 8 in 10 Democrats said they have a favorable view of Biden while just 12% had an unfavorable one. That's remarkable -- especially for someone who has spent such a long time in politics. And Biden's favorability numbers are quite consistent among various demographic groups: Whites (79% favorable), non-whites (84%), men (76%) and women (86%).
2) He's running very strong with black voters. In 2008 and 2016, the foundational pillar of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton's winning coalitions in their Democratic primaries was African-American voters. And, right now, Biden appears to have a similar numbers among that key constituency. As I noted above, he is viewed hugely favorably among non-white voters nationally. And, in the key state of South Carolina -- where black voters comprise almost two-thirds of the Democratic primary electorate -- Biden is running very strongly. A new South Carolina primary poll showed Biden at 46% overall, well ahead of Sanders, who was second with 15%. Among black voters in that poll, Biden was at 58%!
3) He doesn't have much competition for the establishment mantle. While more than a dozen of the candidates running are seeking to be the liberal champion in the primary, there's scarce competition for Biden in the establishment/centrist lane of the race. Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar is trying to be that sort of candidate, but starts well behind Biden. Ditto Bullock, who starts well behind even Klobuchar. South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg remains something of a tabula rasa in terms of how he is positioning himself in the race but could, if he so chose, be a potential problem for Biden in the sensible centrist lane. But at the moment, Biden is running ahead in that space -- and with very little obvious competition.

No voters will cast a ballot for president for another 265 days. And history suggests that fights for presidential nominations rarely get less competitive as the votes draw nearer. But there is a path for Biden -- albeit it a narrow one -- to walk to the nomination. The question is how long it lasts.

Thought I’d brighten everyone’s day with this new article from CNN :win:

@Brock Luciano I expect the more negative the liberals go on Biden, the stronger he gets :mjlol:
 
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