Joel Embiid should be better than a easy 1st round exit

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I'm glad folks can finally acknowledge big men don't have impact in today's game like they did in the past. I've been trying to tell cats for a minute.

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People want to draft Wiseman in the top 5, why is beyond me? I learned my lesson from 2018.
 

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I'm glad folks can finally acknowledge big men don't have impact in today's game like they did in the past. I've been trying to tell cats for a minute.

:mjgrin:
With the current rules and pace of play you're right

It's not like in the 90's were you have illegal defense and you can't double off on the post dominant big man :manny: Zone defenses also kinda destroyed this dynamic also
 

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Goin on his 4th year and 25 years old he should be better than easy work for Boston in the 1st round. He had crazy hype!

3 years ago, it I told you Joel Embiid entering his prime was the best player on the team with Tobias Harris, Al Horford, Josh Richardson around him, and no Lebron in the East, you would think he’d be running the East.

To be fair, AD got out the 1st round once in 7 years as a hyped up injury-prone center power forward wannabe big man... and got rewarded with "top 5 player" status once he teamed up with a superstar wing/facilitator.

So I don't know what Joel should be better than :patrice:
 
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Plenty of offense initiating guards/wings get muzzled and bounced out the playoffs early every single season....
Retrace what you're saying here:

Only ONE team can win in the playoffs; the other 15 teams have to lose. And since the game is run by guards/wings, it stands to reason that all of them, bar one, will lose.
Joel's impact isn't being limited because of skillet he's being limited by an incompetent front office that has done a piss poor job at constructing a functioning team around him... Similarly we've seen smaller players experience the same thing ....
Joel's impact is limited because he can't run the offense; his impact is limited to when the ball-handlers give him the ball, so when he's not getting the ball he's having little-to-no impact on that end. Especially since he doesn't stretch the floor without the ball either. The more times touching the rock = the more you can influence the offense. Steph's the next evolution of this, but that's a conversation for another day.

It's why bigs like AD, Boogie, LMA and Embiid haven't lead their respective teams to top seedings nor had notable success in the postseason. There's only one big who runs contrary to that rule - Jokic.

I'll let you work out why.

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And it's not like the big men we have in today's league aren't great players in their own respect, it's just they're playing in a climate which isn't conducive to them leading a winning-team. You put Embiid back in the 80s/90s, where post-play was the staple of offenses, and the three-ball wasn't in rotation like it is now, and he'd be leading his team on deep playoff runs. He'd be revered as a far greater player than he is now. He's just simply a casualty of the era he's playing in.

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Retrace what you're saying here:

Only ONE team can win in the playoffs; the other 15 teams have to lose. And since the game is run by guards/wings, it stands to reason that all of them, bar one, will lose.

Joel's impact is limited because he can't run the offense; his impact is limited to when the ball-handlers give him the ball, so when he's not getting the ball he's having little-to-no impact on that end. Especially since he doesn't stretch the floor without the ball either. The more times touching the rock = the more you can influence the offense. Steph's the next evolution of this, but that's a conversation for another day.

It's why bigs like AD, Boogie, LMA and Embiid haven't lead their respective teams to top seedings nor had notable success in the postseason. There's only one big who runs contrary to that rule - Jokic.

I'll let you work out why.

:mjgrin:

And it's not like the big men we have in today's league aren't great players in their own respect, it's just they're playing in a climate which isn't conducive to them leading a winning-team. You put Embiid back in the 80s/90s, where post-play was the staple of offenses, and the three-ball wasn't in rotation like it is now, and he'd be leading his team on deep playoff runs. He'd be revered as a far greater player than he is now. He's just simply a casualty of the era he's playing in.

:hubie:
Welcome to the PPP era. If you can't produce offensively, you literally have no shot. This is why Ja probably should have been #1 last year regardless of how good Zion looked in college. Luka and Trae should have went 1 and 2 in 2018 and Melo should be #1 this year. Because scoring+playmaking is leads to a lot of open high-value points, high value points actually made leads to PPP. Point per possession is the name of the game. We graduated from the school of momentum (Kobelogy), to the school of shooting and kinetics (Stephlogy) to the school of high-value points (Luka/Ja/Trae/Steph/Bron/Harden/Jokic). Scoring+playmaking is where it's at in 2020. I honestly feel like we are going back to the 80s to some degree where that was valued but truth is, it's all about the talent around the league. The league can only give you, what it produces.
 

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I never understood why so many in the media were on Philly's nuts before the season. That roster is an absolute mess and almost none of the pieces fit.
 

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Welcome to the PPP era. If you can't produce offensively, you literally have no shot. This is why Ja probably should have been #1 last year regardless of how good Zion looked in college. Luka and Trae should have went 1 and 2 in 2018 and Melo should be #1 this year. Because scoring+playmaking is leads to a lot of open high-value points, high value points actually made leads to PPP. Point per possession is the name of the game. We graduated from the school of momentum (Kobelogy), to the school of shooting and kinetics (Stephlogy) to the school of high-value points (Luka/Ja/Trae/Steph/Bron/Harden/Jokic). Scoring+playmaking is where it's at in 2020. I honestly feel like we are going back to the 80s to some degree where that was valued but truth is, it's all about the talent around the league. The league can only give you, what it produces.


You about to get torn up when the flabbies wake up :wow:
 
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