Joker is winning the MVP next season
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Joel Embiid is the official 2022-2023 Kia NBA MVP. First place votes (Embiid 73, Joker 15, Giannis 12)
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T'Challa Trillmonger
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Yeah, his team was injured and not of quality.
his team wasn't injured in the bubble, they weren't penalized for losing to the Lakers there
and yes ofc the 2 seasons without murray and then mpj matters, but thats part of the reason why i dont think he shoulda won last years mvp as a #6 seed, as other players were held to that standard
even this years "backlash" was more so about whether it is "fair" to grade Jokic differently than past standards for other superstars ... no one with eyes would say Jokic wasn't a good player, its more so about how to set the precedent for future MVP voting
just calling it a spade a spade, i cant speak for other posters but this isn't some bias against Jokic, i think dude is legit but i think the narrative bias around him worked both ways, it isn't like there was some conspiracy against him imo
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
They weren’t favorite to make the WCF and were expected to get bounced by the Clippers.
You are writing nonsense.
T'Challa Trillmonger
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They weren’t favorite to make the WCF and were expected to get bounced by the Clippers.
You are writing nonsense.
not being favorites did not absolve many other stars for being criticized for losing with a healthy squad, thats the point
i think we are having different convos, its all good
mastermind
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No, we having the same convo. You think Jordan should get criticized for losing to the Celtics in ‘86.
Kunty McPhuck
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You mean a squad that was dead dog tired from coming back from 3-1 down not once but twice to go up against a health and firing Lakers who was beat Blazers and Rockets 4-1.
T'Challa Trillmonger
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nah i dont think so, but i think its weird people don't count that against jordan but counts bron losses in his first cleveland run against him when judging superstars
basically i am saying if context matters, it should matter in all assessment of superstar performances, but we all know sports talk (on the coli or elsewhere) is hella hyperbolic and selective
the original point about embiid/jokic is that i dont think jokic is judged much more harshly or unfairly at all, and i think most of the convos around him this year is about how he is judged (and what metrics used) compared to other superstars in that tier ... cuz outside of russ, most past superstars wouldnt get MVP last season as a #6 seed (injured teammates or not), otherwise some other stars would have more MVPs
so i was saying even tho i think Jokic should've got MVP this year, Embiid prolly shoulda won it last year so its a wash
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
No one talks shyt about Bron losing to the Celtics in 2008. That's just an obvious lie. You are trying hard to pretend you not dissing Jokic, and it's not working.
T'Challa Trillmonger
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No one talks shyt about Bron losing to the Celtics in 2008. That's just an obvious lie. You are trying hard to pretend you not dissing Jokic, and it's not working.
ok lol
No one thought Jokic was the MVP in 2020, so why would his performance there "penalize" him in future years? He played well despite not being MVP quality yet. He and Murray were simply outplayed by Bron and AD, who both put up MVP-caliber performances.
These media awards are decided pre season anyway
So Luka should be a two time MVP then
MVPlead aka Cameroonian Karen with the saddest MVP since Admiral got styled on by Dream
T'Challa Trillmonger
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I feel you, tho Embiid was only considered a MVP last season (maybe 2), but his playoff performances been called into question since they lost to Kawhi & the raptors. Now dude won MVP, all his post season runs seem to be analyzed in retrospect (regardless of injuries to himself or teammates, or the roster/coaching around him, etc)
To be clear (since another poster thinks i am shading Jokic), I think Jokic played great individually in post seasons and most importantly stayed healthy, but since the discourse in the thread was about how he was robbed of MVP this year compared to Embiid, i was just pointing out some context for comparison - I think he should have won this year, but Joel last year ... and thats not even putting down Jokic's game last season, but if a #6seed is good enough to win (i think Russ is the only other exception) MVP if the teammates are injured or lackluster, then other stars in the past should have had more MVPs
A lot of superstars resume gets called into question in totality once they have entered the top tier of best players/superstars ... i think its disingenuous to say that Bron, Steph etc were not judged for their playoff losses even if they played great individually, or there were circumstances such as it was before their "MVP seasons", injuries or lack of talent in the roster, etc. ... we see it on the coli all the time
