But but I can't do it without multiple HOFs....but but I need help, no, not ordinary costars. i need most teams #1 player as my costar
Jimmy Butler's Run to the 2023 NBA Finals Is OBJECTIVELY More Impressive Than Any Run LeBron Had EDIT: @Rhakim Exposal Thread
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Entire thread is full of the same shyt I complained about in the Jazz thread. So many posters can only talk about basketball with names and narratives. You don't give a shyt how well anyone actually plays, just what names were on the court and what narratives you can build from that.
Butler hasn't had a clearly all-time game since the 1st round, and has only had 1-2 great games in that span. The last two rounds he's averaging 25-7-6 on 42% shooting with hardly any threes, which in this era isn't something to brag home about. Last time he took over a game by actually making shots was, what, Game 1 of the ECF?
I mean, we're talking about a guy who barely beat out Caleb Matin 5 votes to 4 votes as the Eastern Conference Finals MVP, but somehow he's having the GOAT run? So Caleb Martin is having the 2nd-greatest run ever?
Butler hasn't had a clearly all-time game since the 1st round, and has only had 1-2 great games in that span. The last two rounds he's averaging 25-7-6 on 42% shooting with hardly any threes, which in this era isn't something to brag home about. Last time he took over a game by actually making shots was, what, Game 1 of the ECF?
I mean, we're talking about a guy who barely beat out Caleb Matin 5 votes to 4 votes as the Eastern Conference Finals MVP, but somehow he's having the GOAT run? So Caleb Martin is having the 2nd-greatest run ever?
LeBron wouldnt be able to have this run with Caleb Martin. And the voters arent objective when it comes to LeBron. They would just give any award to leBron unanimously regardless of how well his teammate played (AD in 2020 finals), so bringing up votes is
He couldn't have this run with Caleb Martin....except he already did it with Boobie Gibson in 2007, JR Smith in 2015, and Kevin Love in 2018, despite none of them playing as well those years as Caleb Martin is playing now.
Bron averaged 30-12-9 on nearly 60% shooting and 42% from 3pt in the 2020 Finals, while controlling the pace of every game on offense and being the clear team leader on both sides of the floor. You're a clown if you watched that series and thought AD was the better or more important basketball player. Even the Bron haters in the LWO thread were reluctantly admitting that. And yet I know myself it wasn't some mythical Bron run, just a good series and team effort.
I personally would say Butler definitely was ECF MVP and don't think Caleb Martin should have won it. But the fact the case can even be made, cause Butler shot so poorly and did so little after Game 2, really throws a wet towel on the "GOAT run" shyt.
Eastern Conference finals MVP: Heat's Jimmy Butler get honor that should have gone to Caleb Martin
Butler won by a narrow 5-4 vote
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After the game, as the Heat celebrated inside a rapidly-emptying TD Garden, Jimmy Butler was awarded the Eastern Conference finals MVP trophy, which he won by a narrow margin over Caleb Martin, five votes to four. So it goes when you're the star player; you shoulder the blame when the team loses and you get the accolades when the team wins, even if you don't always fully deserve either.
Butler was the Heat's statistical leader in this series in every major category besides rebounding. He averaged 24.7 points, 7.6 rebounds, 6.1 assists and 2.6 steals per game, and had a signature moment in Game 2 when he helped drag them back from a large fourth-quarter deficit after his dust-up with Grant Williams.
But while his numbers look strong and he had a few big performances, this was not a mythical "Playoff Jimmy" series like we saw in the first round against the Milwaukee Bucks. He had forgettable outings in Games 3 through 5, was a disastrous 5-of-21 from the field in Game 6 and shot 42 percent from the field in the seven games.
Overall this series was about the Heat's supporting cast stepping up in spectacular fashion, rather than a one-man show from Butler. None did so better than Caleb Martin, who after this series may just deserve to be grouped into a new big three in Miami alongside Butler and Bam Adebayo instead.
While Martin grew into a solid role player with the Heat this season, no one could have predicted his star turn against the Celtics, where he was arguably the best player on the floor for large stretches of the matchup and time and again kept the Heat afloat when Butler was on the bench. When Martin was on the floor, the Heat had a plus-9.6 net rating; when he sat, they were at minus-4.2.
The Heat simply don't win this series if he doesn't play the best basketball of his life. He averaged 19.3 points and 6.4 rebounds, while shooting 60.2 percent from the field and 48.9 percent from 3-point land -- those shooting percentages are not typos -- and capped things off with a 26-point, 10-rebound effort in Game 7.
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nikkas bringing up the 07 Cavs when they had 50 wins, were #2 in the East and at the 4th best defense in the league whereas the Heat are a #8 seed who had to win 2 play in games to get in in a way tougher East
@ bringing up 2015 and 2017 too, fukking deranged nikkas
@ bringing up 2015 and 2017 too, fukking deranged nikkas
What happened on the last 3 offensive possessions of Brons season?
You typed all this bullshyt just to be wrong on every frontHe couldn't have this run with Caleb Martin....except he already did it with Boobie Gibson in 2007, JR Smith in 2015, and Kevin Love in 2018, despite none of them playing as well those years as Caleb Martin is playing now.
Bron averaged 30-12-9 on nearly 60% shooting and 42% from 3pt in the 2020 Finals, while controlling the pace of every game on offense and being the clear team leader on both sides of the floor. You're a clown if you watched that series and thought AD was the better or more important basketball player. Even the Bron haters in the LWO thread were reluctantly admitting that. And yet I know myself it wasn't some mythical Bron run, just a good series and team effort.
I personally would say Butler definitely was ECF MVP and don't think Caleb Martin should have won it. But the fact the case can even be made, cause Butler shot so poorly and did so little after Game 2, really throws a wet towel on the "GOAT run" shyt.
Eastern Conference finals MVP: Heat's Jimmy Butler get honor that should have gone to Caleb Martin
Butler won by a narrow 5-4 vote
After the game, as the Heat celebrated inside a rapidly-emptying TD Garden, Jimmy Butler was awarded the Eastern Conference finals MVP trophy, which he won by a narrow margin over Caleb Martin, five votes to four. So it goes when you're the star player; you shoulder the blame when the team loses and you get the accolades when the team wins, even if you don't always fully deserve either.
Butler was the Heat's statistical leader in this series in every major category besides rebounding. He averaged 24.7 points, 7.6 rebounds, 6.1 assists and 2.6 steals per game, and had a signature moment in Game 2 when he helped drag them back from a large fourth-quarter deficit after his dust-up with Grant Williams.
But while his numbers look strong and he had a few big performances, this was not a mythical "Playoff Jimmy" series like we saw in the first round against the Milwaukee Bucks. He had forgettable outings in Games 3 through 5, was a disastrous 5-of-21 from the field in Game 6 and shot 42 percent from the field in the seven games.
Overall this series was about the Heat's supporting cast stepping up in spectacular fashion, rather than a one-man show from Butler. None did so better than Caleb Martin, who after this series may just deserve to be grouped into a new big three in Miami alongside Butler and Bam Adebayo instead.
While Martin grew into a solid role player with the Heat this season, no one could have predicted his star turn against the Celtics, where he was arguably the best player on the floor for large stretches of the matchup and time and again kept the Heat afloat when Butler was on the bench. When Martin was on the floor, the Heat had a plus-9.6 net rating; when he sat, they were at minus-4.2.
The Heat simply don't win this series if he doesn't play the best basketball of his life. He averaged 19.3 points and 6.4 rebounds, while shooting 60.2 percent from the field and 48.9 percent from 3-point land -- those shooting percentages are not typos -- and capped things off with a 26-point, 10-rebound effort in Game 7.
nikkas is crazy. Jimmy broke their brainsnikkas bringing up the 07 Cavs when they had 50 wins, were #2 in the East and at the 4th best defense in the league whereas the Heat are a #8 seed who had to win 2 play in games to get in in a way tougher East
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nikkas bringing up the 07 Cavs when they had 50 wins, were #2 in the East and at the 4th best defense in the league whereas the Heat are a #8 seed who had to win 2 play in games to get in in a way tougher East
They tried to claim Bron was the GOAT after beating the teenage versions of Tatum/Brown but now it's different
You typed all this bullshyt just to be wrong on every front
He said new Big 3
No I didn't type or say that.
I legit have no idea how some of you get through daily life with the WOAT reading comprehension. Literally zero critical thinking, just saying shyt.
nikkas bringing up the 07 Cavs when they had 50 wins, were #2 in the East and at the 4th best defense in the league whereas the Heat are a #8 seed who had to win 2 play in games to get in in a way tougher East
Why you think they won 50 games? You think prime Bron would ever be an 8th seed with this roster? This same Heat team was the top seed in the East last year and the only player they lost was PJ Tucker.
Arguing that a supporting cast with Bam, Herro, and Lowry is worse than a supporting cast with Hughes, Illgauskas, and Boobie because they underachieved during the season is the epitome of deranged.
Why you think they won 50 games? You think prime Bron would ever be an 8th seed with this roster? This same Heat team was the top seed in the East last year and the only player they lost was PJ Tucker.
Arguing that a supporting cast with Bam, Herro, and Lowry is worse than a supporting cast with Hughes, Illgauskas, and Boobie because they underachieved during the season is the epitome of deranged.
Cuz the East was trash and the team ahead of them was burnt out and didnt have Ben Wallace
The top 5 teams in the West that year all won 50 games.
Also, yes Bron would be an 8th seed or similar
The Heat were #1 seed in the East last year winning only 53 games. 53 wins would've been the 4th seed in the East this year
They tried to claim Bron was the GOAT after beating the teenage versions of Tatum/Brown but now it's different
I swear y'all don't even know what the fukk happens on a basketball court, you log on to see what the narrative is and run with it.
2018 Bron against the 55-win #2-seed Celtics: averaged 34-9-8 making 57% of his twos and 41% of his threes
2023 Butler against the 57-win #2-seed Celtics: averaged 25-8-6 making 43% of his twos and 35% of his threes
2018 Bron's #2 scorer is Kevin Love averaging 12.5ppg on 37.5% shooting (36% threes). No other players in double figures.
2023 Butler's #8 scorer is Kevin Love. Caleb Martin averages 19ppg on 60% shooting (49% threes), Gabe Vincent averages 16ppg on 49% shooting (52% threes), Bam Adebayo averages 15ppg on 48% shooting, Duncan Robinson averages 11ppg on 56% shooting (48% threes)
2018 Bron puts up 44-5-3 in a must-win Game 4 on 17-28 shooting (1-4 threes), 46-11-9 in a must-win Game 6 on 17-33 shooting (5-7 threes), and 35-15-9 in a must-win Game 7 on 12-24 shooting (3-8 threes)
2023 Butler's only 30-point game was in Game 1. In the critical Game 6 and Game 7, he shoots a combined 17-49 from the field (34.7%)
BUT BUTLER IS OBJECTIVELY BETTER! lol
Average 10 fewer ppg on far worse shooting, despite far better spacing and far better teammates, put up fewer notable performances, and look worse in the critical games, all against the same team with the same regular season success....but somehow it's "objectively better".
On top of that, they've been telling me it's 10x easier to score in 2023 than it was five years ago, but suddenly when Jimmy struggles to make shots despite GOAT spacing around him, it's
