JBL: "You've Failed Miserably," If Someone Tells You That You're A Good Heel Or Sell A Lot Of Merch

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One thing I liked about JBL was that he put his opponents over as world beaters. It made sense because once he beat them he could use that to put more heat on himself and build his credibility but he never won clean so it didn't diminish the credibility of his opponent either.

I'd love to see a JBL type character in the Trump era. Like Jason Thurgood Goode. The fukkery. :banderas:
 

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Just his justification of why he sucked so much. Austin and Rocky were badass and evil characters...fans popped because they were more entertaining.
 

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He's right as a heel you're supposed to make fans hate you not like you.

The problem is that the writing and story is not there and social media.

For example you Charlotte is genuinely not liked by the fans so you should turn her heel because the fans don't like her.

But instead they turn Becky who the fans genuinely like and want to succeed and act shocked when it backfires.

It was never gonna work they didn't even change her entrance music and made her seem more badass than the fans already thought she was.

Plus with kayfabe being dead it's not a good combo it can work but Vince doesn't listen anymore
 

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A lot of people think this way, I’ve heard Chris Jericho say this shyt almost verbatim. It’s an outdated mindset though in modern WWE where everybody, even the jobbers, has merch, and everybody has to do PR. Nevermind that you’re handcuffed as to just what you can say or do as a heel, because you can’t piss off sponsors or censorship. Randy Orton mutilating Jeff Hardy’s ear is the most heelish, original act to happen in years, probably mostly because Jeff was willing to do it and it looked a lot worse than it actually was. But JBL wouldn’t have nearly as much clearance to do the kinda shyt that got his heel act over, like kicking Mexicans across the border or causing Eddy Guerrero’s mom to have a worked heart attack these days. He’d probably still get over because he’s seemingly a natural prick who people boo, but I dunno if he gets to the level he was at in 04.

Also, these days the biggest heel thing that you can do is be booked as a chosen one by the company, who creates mega heels by accident (Reigns/Charlotte) without ever actually turning them heel, so the game is just fukked up, in WWE anyway.
 

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Think everybody missing his point...I don't think he wants everybody to kayfabe it...i think he saying a good heel is like the equivalent of Joffrey in game of thrones...everybody couldn't wait to see him get his come uppance.....we all know game of thrones is fantasy but didn't matter, people were glad to see the character get his...I think that's his point
 

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He's right as a heel you're supposed to make fans hate you not like you.

The problem is that the writing and story is not there and social media.

For example you Charlotte is genuinely not liked by the fans so you should turn her heel because the fans don't like her.

But instead they turn Becky who the fans genuinely like and want to succeed and act shocked when it backfires.

It was never gonna work they didn't even change her entrance music and made her seem more badass than the fans already thought she was.

Plus with kayfabe being dead it's not a good combo it can work but Vince doesn't listen anymore

But Becky isn't doing anything to be liked right now though. She's gone all in on her heel persona and has been booked very well. The Becky issue isn't really a Becky issue; it's a WWE booking issue, particularly as it pertains to how they book faces. Naomi would get booed against Becky right now as well. Bayley too and maaaaaaybe Sasha.
 

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But Becky isn't doing anything to be liked right now though. She's gone all in on her heel persona and has been booked very well. The Becky issue isn't really a Becky issue; it's a WWE booking issue, particularly as it pertains to how they book faces. Naomi would get booed against Becky right now as well. Bayley too and maaaaaaybe Sasha.

Exactly WWE no longer understand how to book good heels or babyfaces anymore
 

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I don’t think selling merch has anything to do with it. It’s as simple as knowing your audience and knowing what most people hate

Charlotte weaseling her way into that triple threat match and winning was heelish. Also they need to change Becky’s music and put her against someone the crowd likes.

Alexa works as a heel cause she isn’t great in the ring but talks like she is. She is tiny but keeps wining. People hate that, people hate chosen ones, 2nd generation talents with string family ties. shyt they need to stop being scared and have a poilitical gimmmick that’s instant heat.

Have Becky support trump the crowd will boo her unlike anything they ever seen
 

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The wwe is a heel itself

Big powerful corporate brand that doesn’t listen to its fans and has ties with trump

They can’t get heels to be bood and faces to be cheered cause they’re morals are so fukked up they don’t know they are the heels themselves
 

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kayfabe ain't coming back.:francis:

but really, it was dead a long time ago. :yeshrug:

difference is, back in the day, a guy like Macho would go on Arsenio in full kayfabe mode, selling the angles, working the crowd, very soft handshakes all around, knowing full well that the audience wasn't really buying it, but was enjoying the show

guys who supposedly have characters will go on shows today like "Gosh, it's just a great opportunity to be a sport entertainer, I play Fortnite in my free time."

if these old guys want kayfabe back, they need to explain this shyt to the new guys, not talk inside baseball with reporters and the public

handshakes need to get softer:ufdup:
 
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