Jay-Z, Other Artists Back New York Lawmakers’ ‘Rap Music On Trial’ Bill

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Your last paragraph is what drives my reasoning. Artistic license and what not. Rap is full of lies and bravado. A nickel bag becomes an ounce. An ounce becomes a brick. Prodigy wrote an entire book full of all the times he almost killed someone. Imagine if the prosecutor in his gun case had used Mobb Deep lyrics and his biography to paint him as an actual menace to society.

I get your point about these guys being immoral or guilty of crimes but so is the justice system and they already have all the tools and power they need to lock people up w/o weakening artist protections.
 
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Law is total fluff.

'The new bill would require prosecutors to prove “clear and convincing” evidence that a defendant’s creative work is “literal, rather than figurative or fictional.”

This makes zero sense to back, rappers running with 'my work is art' emotions over facts.

What is 'clear and convincing' evidence to a judge/jury? Is that an equivalent to 'beyond a reasonable doubt'?

It should be this:

'The new bill would make lyrics in music AND imagery in music videos inadmissible evidence in court under any circumstances”
 

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Law is total fluff.

'The new bill would require prosecutors to prove “clear and convincing” evidence that a defendant’s creative work is “literal, rather than figurative or fictional.”

This makes zero sense to back, rappers running with 'my work is art' emotions over facts.

What is 'clear and convincing' evidence to a judge/jury? Is that an equivalent to 'beyond a reasonable doubt'?

It should be this:

'The new bill would make lyrics in music AND imagery in music videos inadmissible evidence in court under any circumstances”
I’m waiting to see how this trial will play out.

Jacksonville rapper who allegedly 'smoked' Bibby must submit to digital body scan, judge says - Opera News

 

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If a person admits to a murder in a song, do you believe that should be protected speech?

If the person is outright lying and the song is a work of fiction, what does it fukking matter :what: what pisses me off is that you had a shytload of white musicians depicting murder in their music no law enforcement checking them to see if they really did it. :beli: double standards much...

if someone commits a fukking crime it should take more than a fukking song to convict them in a court of law... evidence, muthafukka, do they have it!!??:what:

if the person rapping is detailing a crime or crime scene, then there is enough to start an investigation. But they need strong probable cause for a warrant and actual evidence for a trial. The words themselves should never be enough to arrest or convict.

But. If your dumbass is admitting to a felony or multiple felonies on record, then you're a dumbass and probably should go to jail.
 

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i don't think they're relying entirely on the songs. there's obviously gotta be more to build a legit case. but if you're investigating a murder and someone brags about committing that specific crime on wax, should that not be taken into account? is that not evidence? the artist is straight up giving it to them.

to me, it seems pretty fukking silly to not to be able to use the words "i killed so and so" against a suspect just because they're crooning in auto-tune and shyt. :mjlol:

if you that stupid then tough break nikka :yeshrug:
 

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Law is total fluff.

'The new bill would require prosecutors to prove “clear and convincing” evidence that a defendant’s creative work is “literal, rather than figurative or fictional.”

This makes zero sense to back, rappers running with 'my work is art' emotions over facts.

What is 'clear and convincing' evidence to a judge/jury? Is that an equivalent to 'beyond a reasonable doubt'?

It should be this:

'The new bill would make lyrics in music AND imagery in music videos inadmissible evidence in court under any circumstances”

this
 

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Prosecutor uses Y&R Mookey’s social media posts, ATK vs. KTA rap beef to get conviction in firearms case
Police saw Tyler Jackson holding a suspected gun in a rap video. Now he may spend the next 30 years in prison even though officers never physically saw the gun.

Author: Harold Goodridge
Published: 7:02 PM EST February 5, 2022
Updated: 7:02 PM EST February 5, 2022
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. — A Jacksonville rapper could spend the next 30 years in prison not because of what he did, but for what it appeared he was doing.

A Duval County jury found Tyler Jackson, aka Y&R Mookey, guilty Friday of possession of a firearm by a convicted felon.

Police saw Jackson holding a suspected AK-47 style gun in a rap video. Investigators never confiscated a weapon or physically saw Jackson holding one. But they believed what they saw him holding on social media was real.

And prosecutors convinced the jury it was.

Jackson is from Jacksonville’s Arlington neighborhood, referred to by many as A-Block. He’s a suspected member of the Y&R gang, which stands for Young and Reckless.

Y&R is allied with Jacksonville rappers Foolio and Spottem Gottem. They all fall under the umbrella of KTA. Their biggest rival is Yungeen Ace and his set called ATK.

RELATED: Rival Jacksonville gangs locked in deadly battle glorified in new viral rap music videos

Jackson was arrested during a sting Duval County Sheriff’s Office dubbed “Operation Rap Up” in January 2019. Investigators followed suspected gang members and local rappers on their social media accounts, such as Instagram and YouTube, looking for suspected criminal activity.

During a news conference on “Operation Rap Up” that included Mayor Lenny Curry and State Attorney Melissa Nelson, Sheriff Mike Williams announced the arrest of Jackson and five other men, all suspected members of Jacksonville’s Y&R gang.

They were all charged with possession of firearms by a convicted felon or juvenile possession for holding what police believed were guns in rap videos.

The job of State Attorneys Leah Owens and Thomas Mangan was to convince a jury that the firearm Jackson was holding was real. Since police didn’t have a weapon, the state used Jackson’s suspected gang ties and beef with rivals to show Jackson wasn’t playing with toys.

Prosecutors showed jurors numerous social media posts from Jackson’s Instagram where he’s seen with other suspected Y&R gang members. Owens also played Jackson’s rap video, “Murder 1."

She broke down the lyrics for jurors pointing out all the suspected gang and criminal activities.

“You’re not going to rap those lyrics with a fake firearm in your hand,” Owens said during her closing arguments. “You see him (Jackson) burning the ace of spades card. That refers to Yungeen Ace, the most prominent member of ATK.”

During his closing arguments, Jackson’s defense attorney Kevin Raudt took issue with the state playing the rap video and analyzing the lyrics.

“He’s not on trial for making music videos that offends people, including me,” Raudt said.

And as for prosecutors naming other suspected ATK gang rivals and other suspected Y&R gang members, “All these other guys, they’re not on trial today,” Raudt told jurors during closing arguments. “What the state has to prove is not that these guys are committing crimes. Not that he (Jackson) is a member of Y&R

“They have to prove that he had a firearm,” Raudt said. “We challenged the fact that the firearm was real.”

After deliberating for about three hours, the jury’s guilty verdict concluded that the gun Jackson was holding in the video was real.

https://www.firstcoastnews.com/arti...cutor/77-b7499826-91a3-4d7f-8cae-6c06e1d66fa9





@DEAD7 Government overreach. Free the murda twinz.



 
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