Jay-Z Battling on the streets of New York in 1993

[FreshAIG]

Jay and Nas style are nothing alike.

Jay's style is a mix of Jaz, Big Daddy Kane

 

[up in here]

If I heard it I wouldn't doubt it or not admit it,but I dont hear it,had Jay never heard Kool G Rap before?

Is it possible to be a fan without actually patterning your style after someone?

G Rap didn't really do the conversational flow though. That was nas style. Listen to the way nas flowed on "life's a bytch" "the world is yours" "memory lane" and "one love" listen to his cadance and the way he rides the beat. He doesn't sound like he's rappin to you, he sound a like he's talking to you in a conversation. Rappers wasn't really doing that before nas. Especially in NY. Kool Moe Dee even credited that style to Nas in his book. That's why you can hear a major shift in the way the way rappers flowed after illmatic. And it is the same exact style that Jay uses a lot of the time.

And I'm not saying that's Jay's only style, he still has his jaz o double time style, his too short pimp style, but his nas conversational style is a major part of jays flow. Nas and jay have entirely different vocals so some people may not notice it, but the conversational flow that nas uses is the exact same style that jay uses

 

[Fade Runner 2049]

Corny ass flows



Kriss Kross flow ass

 

[Budda]

If I heard it I wouldn't doubt it or not admit it,but I dont hear it,had Jay never heard Kool G Rap before?

Is it possible to be a fan without actually patterning your style after someone?

He heard Kool G in 88 and never thought to rap like him till since 94?

Interesting.

 

[Tetsuo]

I got tools like construction workers
And I don't wanna see ya boss, cause I don't fukk with workers
Ya life ain't worth $10
Ya wife, I caught her on the rebound like Ben Wallace
Put her in the same position as the Twin Towers
Sent her back to Mookie with $6, like "bytch holla"
Party Arty was all over Mook

Came to post this


Me and my friends always agreed even after all his theatrics he lost most of those battles in our eyes.

 

[dappadonna]

"nikka , switch up ya flow , that shiit is garbage"

 

[Tetsuo]

Guy he was rapping too had this face the whole clip

shyt cracked me up, his facial expression is an underrated part of the clip

Jay-Z: "Biggida bam bam...biggida bam, hold up lemme catch my breath...god dam!”

Opponent:

 

[Benefited]

He heard Kool G in 88 and never thought to rap like him till since 94?

Interesting.

G Rap didn't really do the conversational flow though. That was nas style. Listen to the way nas flowed on "life's a bytch" "the world is yours" "memory lane" and "one love" listen to his cadance and the way he rides the beat. He doesn't sound like he's rappin to you, he sound a like he's talking to you in a conversation. Rappers wasn't really doing that before nas. Especially in NY. Kool Moe Dee even credited that style to Nas in his book. That's why you can hear a major shift in the way the way rappers flowed after illmatic. And it is the same exact style that Jay uses a lot of the time.

And I'm not saying that's Jay's only style, he still has his jaz o double time style, his too short pimp style, but his nas conversational style is a major part of jays flow. Nas and jay have entirely different vocals so some people may not notice it, but the conversational flow that nas uses is the exact same style that jay uses

Jay was rapping like Kool G in 94?

My point was if Jay loved that flow so much,there was already somebody using it he could've patterned himself after. But as a true emcee,G-Rap like many others were just one of many inspirations. Jay was even talking about other people taking his flow on the first album,so obviously he knew he created a style all his own.

Jay still had alot of that double time and sticatto mixture in his flow on RD. Plus he was flat out just way more witty,charistmatic with bravado. Plus the cadence alone should be all the more proof,he is far more aggressive and uses much more inflection than Nas.

But overall I think we agree,Jay had alot of different inspirations and stylistically its hard to nail him down to one major influence. But I just often see people act like it was really just Nas,when stylistically it just doesn't match up flow wise. Theres a conversational style that many others used before Nas,but there is no such thing as a conversational flow. The major point is overall their flow just isn't similar enough to cite Nas as the main inspiration in that regard.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

G Rap didn't really do the conversational flow though. That was nas style. Listen to the way nas flowed on "life's a bytch" "the world is yours" "memory lane" and "one love" listen to his cadance and the way he rides the beat. He doesn't sound like he's rappin to you, he sound a like he's talking to you in a conversation. Rappers wasn't really doing that before nas. Especially in NY. Kool Moe Dee even credited that style to Nas in his book. That's why you can hear a major shift in the way the way rappers flowed after illmatic. And it is the same exact style that Jay uses a lot of the time.

And I'm not saying that's Jay's only style, he still has his jaz o double time style, his too short pimp style, but his nas conversational style is a major part of jays flow. Nas and jay have entirely different vocals so some people may not notice it, but the conversational flow that nas uses is the exact same style that jay uses

facts

If you want to hear Jay’s true entrance with a dazzling flow, it was his appearance 23 years ago on Jaz-O’s sophomore LP, To Your Soul. The 1990 single “The Originators” was all about the flow that Jay would sharpen, develop and stuff with interesting content, and intricate cadences leading up to his debut. Between 1990 and 1994, Jay’s appearances and Stretch & Bobbito freestyles had him sounding more (stylistically) like his contemporaries in Big L and Pharoahe Monch than say, Nas or Prodigy.

Something interesting happened leading up to Reasonable Doubt. With a changing sound-scape in New York City, Jay Z (still with an umlaut) focused on content more than delivery. His wisdom and smoothness of “Dead Presidents II” or driving annunciation on “D’Evils” were stylistic choices, as the quick machine-gun flow was channeled in “22 Two’s,” but never to the extent we heard it a year prior with Kane and Original Flavor.

In the mid-1990s, Jay Z helped trademark an effortless flow of narration. From his sophomore album, “Where I’m From” feels less like rapping than it does rhyming-talking, the ultimate voice-over to a film you can imagine off of experience.

Sometimes I Rap Fast, Sometimes I Rap Slow: The Evolution Of Jay Z’s Flow (Food For Thought)

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Jay was rapping like Kool G in 94?

My point was if Jay loved that flow so much,there was already somebody using it he could've patterned himself after. But as a true emcee,G-Rap like many others were just one of many inspirations. Jay was even talking about other people taking his flow on the first album,so obviously he knew he created a style all his own.

Jay still had alot of that double time and sticatto mixture in his flow on RD. Plus he was flat out just way more witty,charistmatic with bravado. Plus the cadence alone should be all the more proof,he is far more aggressive and uses much more inflection than Nas.

But overall I think we agree,Jay had alot of different inspirations and stylistically its hard to nail him down to one major influence. But I just often see people act like it was really just Nas,when stylistically it just doesn't match up flow wise. Theres a conversational style that many others used before Nas,but there is no such thing as a conversational flow. The major point is overall their flow just isn't similar enough to cite Nas as the main inspiration in that regard.

 

[FreshAIG]

Nas, Big and Jay all have conversational flows but they were distinctly different

Nas did it where he maintained his multiple/compound words

Biggie did it where he made words rhyme off each other

Jay did it while being really metaphorical

 

[up in here]

facts

Sometimes I Rap Fast, Sometimes I Rap Slow: The Evolution Of Jay Z’s Flow (Food For Thought)

Exactly

 

[Benefited]

There's not a such thing as conversational flow,just a cute term I guess somebody decided to make up to erroneously credit Nas with something? I've already cited multiple rappers that predate Nas,that had a style that came off more as if they were talking to the listener than rapping at them,and many of them have differnt flows,Maybe Kool Mo Dee is ignorant on the topic and never heard of the likes of Scarface and Ice Cube etc. That style is really not all that unique and there is certainly not one flow that can be used to get that style off. You can't call that a flow when theres not one specefic flow to use for your style to be that of a conversationalist,as I have proven. Nas to me isn't even the best example of that style,so for him to credit Nas with creating that is laughable. Jay is actually by faaaar much better at that conversational style than Nas,he had already surpassed Nas in terms of that style by his first album lol. RD is a much better use of that style than Illmatic,I suggest some of you go back and listen to both.

 

[up in here]

There's not a such thing as conversational flow,just a cute term I guess somebody decided to make up to erroneously credit Nas with something? I've already cited multiple rappers that predate Nas,that had a style that came off more as if they were talking to the listener than rapping at them,and many of them have differnt flows,Maybe Kool Mo Dee is ignorant on the topic and never heard of the likes of Scarface and Ice Cube etc. That style is really not all that unique and there is certainly not one flow that can be used to get that style off. You can't call that a flow when theres not one specefic flow to use for your style to be that of a conversationalist,as I have proven. Nas to me isn't even the best example of that style,so for him to credit Nas with creating that is laughable. Jay is actually by faaaar much better at that conversational style than Nas,he had already surpassed Nas in terms of that style by his first album lol. RD is a much better use of that style than Illmatic,I suggest some of you go back and listen to both.

Wow son, you can't be serious

 

[Benefited]

Wow son, you can't be serious

I stated nothing but truth,ifs not a specefic flow,yet people say Jay-Z slowed his flow down to copy a style that was very prevelant and executed far better by other artist than Nas,who predate him and were popular.

Jays style is much more conversational than Nas who people wan't to say Jay patterned himself after. Jays style is also much more aggressive,sticatto and just has more bounce to it than Nas.

Lets just agree Nas gets too much credit for being the "blueprint" for Jay,I'm not saying he deserves none. To think he would still be rapping fuschnickens without Nas is ridiculous unless you think the man was blind and deaf. Not to mention he didn't completley abandon the double time flow on RD.