Jay Electronica "in my opinion" co-wrote "N****r Hatred"

[CAVEMAN]

"I'd take the grave or a bid
to let some dirty clan members run up in my crib
And plant cracks on the man that's goin to church
Plants packs on the man that's goin to work
And build cases, meanwhile they daddies and they brothers
Is recruitin all my brothers and cousins to fill bases"

that is exactly Jay Electronica's rhyme scheme. You can even hear Nas deepen his voice in the middle of it in the same way Jay Electronica would sound. I think that's definitely some co-authorship.




also, the lines that preceed it:

"This is the Genesis, and I don't even see a worthy arch nemesis
I get loose like the Jena 6, they put a noose on 'Pac
Now I'm defendin Vick, and free that nikka TIP"

stand out to me as something Jay Electronica would write, especially given that he even has a song titled 'A Prayer For Michael Vick & T.I.'





now while Stic.Man & Jay Electronica are both saying officially on the record that they didn't "ghostwrite" -- if you look at Stic.Man's full statement he states clearly that they DID "collaborate" on lyrics:

"My contributions to his album was a collaboration and an honor and under his direction of what he wanted to convey and say."

"And I assisted where it was requested with ideas, beats and some writing. Not because Nas "needed" me lol..."

so you can see that it's stated clear as day that Stic.Man DID write for the album. They're just not officially calling it "ghostwriting," they're calling it "collaboration." Which is kinda disingenuous to me, the word "collaboration" in rap terms means they're featured ON the song. So they're playing with semantics to soften the idea.

& honestly, it's not really ghostwriting either -- it's something that happens in every studio session, -- you get feedback from your peoples in the studio like "Nah, dont spit it like that, here say this"
from the producers, to the engineers, to friends, label people, groupies smoking weed, anybody in the room is gonna prolly have lil ideas about what's gonna make the song better.

however this case is a kinda different situation -- cause Stic & Jay aren't just his peoples that randomly happened to be in the room. They were specifically brought on board & requested to be there for that specific purpose.

it's still not that big of a deal in my mind, but it's dirty that they're pretending that NOTHING happened.

 

[mikishere]

thought we established that jay E wrote for nas on that album already

 

[Ronald]

I said this already

 

[spliz]

"I'd take the grave or a bid
to let some dirty clan members run up in my crib
And plant cracks on the man that's goin to church
Plants packs on the man that's goin to work
And build cases, meanwhile they daddies and they brothers
Is recruitin all my brothers and cousins to fill bases"

that is exactly Jay Electronica's rhyme scheme. You can even hear Nas deepen his voice in the middle of it in the same way Jay Electronica would sound. I think that's definitely some co-authorship.




also, the lines that preceed it:

"This is the Genesis, and I don't even see a worthy arch nemesis
I get loose like the Jena 6, they put a noose on 'Pac
Now I'm defendin Vick, and free that nikka TIP"

stand out to me as something Jay Electronica would write, especially given that he even has a song titled 'A Prayer For Michael Vick & T.I.'





now while Stic.Man & Jay Electronica are both saying officially on the record that they didn't "ghostwrite" -- if you look at Stic.Man's full statement he states clearly that they DID "collaborate" on lyrics:

"My contributions to his album was a collaboration and an honor and under his direction of what he wanted to convey and say."

"And I assisted where it was requested with ideas, beats and some writing. Not because Nas "needed" me lol..."

so you can see that it's stated clear as day that Stic.Man DID write for the album. They're just not officially calling it "ghostwriting," they're calling it "collaboration." Which is kinda disingenuous to me, the word "collaboration" in rap terms means they're featured ON the song. So they're playing with semantics to soften the idea.

& honestly, it's not really ghostwriting either -- it's something that happens in every studio session, -- you get feedback from your peoples in the studio like "Nah, dont spit it like that, here say this"
from the producers, to the engineers, to friends, label people, groupies smoking weed, anybody in the room is gonna prolly have lil ideas about what's gonna make the song better.

however this case is a kinda different situation -- cause Stic & Jay aren't just his peoples that randomly happened to be in the room. They were specifically brought on board & requested to be there for that specific purpose.

it's still not that big of a deal in my mind, but it's dirty that they're pretending that NOTHING happened.

Stic Man went into SPECIFICS on what he did on the album back when the album dropped....and has always maintained his story...u can't qoute lines and say "that's sounds like somethin Jay Elec would say" and then go on a rant....cause Jay Elec been sayin shyt that it sounds like Nas would say FIRST...not the other way around...

 

[That Singer Guy...]

I changed the thread title instead of merging this thread into the big thread.

 

[Zach Lowe]

Have you been reading my posts on here and KTT?

I said the bars starting from "this is the Genesis" sound exactly like Jay E (his voice, flow, phrasing, everything) and I pointed out that Jay E has a song about Mike Vick and T.I.

Are you really post biting?

 

[CAVEMAN]

thought we established that jay E wrote for nas on that album already

well, all 3 artists are still denying it publicly. & the public opinion still seems split. people were discussing "Queens Get The Money" mostly.
just figured I'd point out this specific example.

Have you been reading my posts on here and KTT?

I said the bars starting from "this is the Genesis" sound exactly like Jay E (his voice, flow, phrasing, everything) and I pointed out that Jay E has a song about Mike Vick and T.I.

Are you really post biting?

Naw, I actually only seen people talking bout 'Queens Get The Money' so far. but props for saying it first then. I wouldn't have started a whole new thread if I seen that mentioned. Seems worthy of pointing out separately as it's own revelation tho.

 

[iamduval]

The lyricism on untitled was very advanced. Even for nas.. I never heard him use rhyme schemes like that. Doesnt shock me that he was assisted

 

[spliz]

well, all 3 artists are still denying it publicly. & the public opinion still seems split. people were discussing "Queens Get The Money" mostly.
just figured I'd point out this specific example.

I'm convinced half u nikkas don't know shyt bout Nas' catalog...its becoming more and more evident...

 

[spliz]

The lyricism on untitled was very advanced. Even for nas.. I never heard him use rhyme schemes like that. Doesnt shock me that he was assisted

No it wasn't...not at all...Nas has crafted FAR more advanced shyt than ANYTHING on Untitled...funny thing is..the nikkas that's gettin mentioned...ain't better than him...especially Stic Man..yet nikkas tryna act like they inputted some genius level shyt he couldn't come up wit.

 

[yesiambowling]

This shyt will never end until Jay Elec testifies in court and swears on a copy of the bible that he did not write lyrics for Nas. Even then, you dudes will go off on some bullshyt claiming "well he said 'write', but never said anything about typing or morse code!".

He said he didn't do it and that the rumors were bullshyt. Let it go.

 

[Ronald]

Have you been reading my posts on here and KTT?

I said the bars starting from "this is the Genesis" sound exactly like Jay E (his voice, flow, phrasing, everything) and I pointed out that Jay E has a song about Mike Vick and T.I.

Are you really post biting?

I was saying it back on SOHH

but then you made the "A Prayer For Michael Vick & TI" connection and I was like

 

[Zach Lowe]

Naw, I actually only seen people talking bout 'Queens Get The Money' so far. but props for saying it first then. I wouldn't have started a whole new thread if I seen that mentioned. Seems worthy of pointing out separately as it's own revelation tho.

People have been talking about Jay E writing Proclamation just as long as Queens Get The Money

I was just the first to point out the Mike Vick/T.I. shyt and focus on the second half of the song being unmistakably Jay Elect's style



You really can't deny it at this point
between half the Proclamation joint, certain lines on Queens Get The Money, and Jay Elect dodging the question ("Nas doesn't NEED a ghostwriter ") it's obvious Nas had Jay Elect write for him

 

[CAVEMAN]

No it wasn't...not at all...Nas has crafted FAR more advanced shyt than ANYTHING on Untitled...funny thing is..the nikkas that's gettin mentioned...ain't better than him...especially Stic Man..yet nikkas tryna act like they inputted some genius level shyt he couldn't come up wit.

I dont think Jay is a better rapper at all. & Yea, Nas has way more complex raps. those specific bars sound dead ass like Jay tho. Nas doesn't overstuff his bars like that.

 

[Zach Lowe]

Jay Elect has also subliminally bragged about this on twitter

"i'm your favorite ghostwriter's favorite ghostwriter"
"Jay-Z and Nas think I'm the greatest"

implying he has written for both