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Check out 2:50 for a :whoa: sounding clunking headbutt



Surprised these two are still coherent (maybe they're not). That's a very fun 7 minute match also :obama:
 

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Takahashi vs Dragon Lee :dwillhuh::what::skip::merchant::whoo::whew::salute:

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I'm not gonna front, I love watching Hiromu go apeshyt and take those insane bumps but I can't help but be concerned for his long-term viability wrestling that style.

In that above match from Osaka he hit Dragon Lee with a Sunset Flip Powerbomb from the apron to the floor that made he hit the Patrick Stewart smiley when I saw it. And he had another bump at WK11 that I thought was gonna shatter his tailbone, dude jumped off the top rope and landed flush on his ass.
 

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Both dudes were taking nonstop :picard: bumps. Dudes forgetting they weren't in Mexico where the floor is softer than the ring.


Osaka New Beginning was MUCH better than Sapporo. fukking Elgin selling his leg better than Okada and being in a better match than Okada/Suzuki :skip:
 

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Question open to the floor. I thought of this watching Takahashi vs Dragon Lee (these two get better every time I see them) but looking back is it possible that learning excursions from Mexico and Europe are more fruitful than the US?
 

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I think that's been the case for a long time. It's not like there's a WCW for guys like Muta/Nagata/Nakanishi/Sasuke to hit anymore. They're going to ROH pretty much exclusively, and ROH sucks. Plus, talent isn't really learning much going to ROH because ROH has been aping Japanese style since the start, so the only difference is a different audience that is generally extra receptive to them from the start since they feel like they're getting a special treat to get NJ guys.
 

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Question open to the floor. I thought of this watching Takahashi vs Dragon Lee (these two get better every time I see them) but looking back is it possible that learning excursions from Mexico and Europe are more fruitful than the US?


I always took the US excursions as more of an excuse to give a wrestler more kayfabe credibility than actual wrestling knowledge. Specially in the last 20-25 years.
 

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I think that's been the case for a long time. It's not like there's a WCW for guys like Muta/Nagata/Nakanishi/Sasuke to hit anymore. They're going to ROH pretty much exclusively, and ROH sucks. Plus, talent isn't really learning much going to ROH because ROH has been aping Japanese style since the start, so the only difference is a different audience that is generally extra receptive to them from the start since they feel like they're getting a special treat to get NJ guys.
ROH is very, very average right now. It's just so bland.
 

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I always took the US excursions as more of an excuse to give a wrestler more kayfabe credibility than actual wrestling knowledge. Specially in the last 20-25 years.

It was to get actual knowledge pre 2001. Working WCW style and crowds was nothing like NJ in the 90s. And before WCW, sending dudes to Stampede was a much different experience than what they'd get in in Japan. NJ tried multiple times sending guys to TNA or ROH and it didn't do shyt for any of those guys. It generally was a negative sending guys to the US after 2001. When you look at the 80s to early mid 90s, guys would get sent to Stampede/WCW/CMLL in North America, then multiple little places in Europe, every place having a different style from either other and NJ. Now they get sent to ROH.

CMLL basically created modern Nakamura and Naito. They never would have been what they became just working ROH.
 

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Do y'all ever get overwhelmed at how much wrestling there is that you have to watch?

I think I'm gonna stick to WWE/NJPW PPV's monthly, catching up to PROGRESS, and watching classic attitude era/90's AJPW content. I'm gonna cut out AJPW just because if you balance between too many things, it takes the enjoyment out imo.
 
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