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Consider this: NJ signed Ibushi full-time and immediately started pushing him super hard while at the same time allowing him to remain with DDT and work an almost full schedule there. A company doesn't bend over for a guy like that unless they really have plans for him..
 

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@Don Rhymus The only way I can co-sign the NJC winner vs AJ title match decision is if we end up with an unification match against Nakamura down the line. If not, it doesn't make a lot of sense.

Match will be fukking piff though :ohlawd: but the more time goes on, the more Gedo is becoming Gabe Sapolski in his late years in ROH. Not really good booking, but just a bunch of piff matches :manny:
 

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The only way I can co-sign the NJC winner vs AJ title match decision is if we end up with an unification match against Nakamura down the line. If not, it doesn't make a lot of sense.
Because Kota didn't challenge Naka who he lost to? The early translations of his post-match that I've seen had him saying something to the extent of he'd love a rematch against Naka for the IC title but it's a lifelong dream to be IWGP champ and he can't pass it up so he's challenging AJ.

What's more logical than that?
 

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Because Kota didn't challenge Naka who he lost to? The early translations of his post-match that I've seen had him saying something to the extent of he'd love a rematch against Naka for the IC title but it's a lifelong dream to be IWGP champ and he can't pass it up so he's challenging AJ.

What's more logical than that?

Then him losing to Nakamura and winning the New Japan Cup was just an on the fly decision. Again, if Ibushi wins the IWGP then I'll praise the booking because then they have MONEY match against Shinsuke down the line. Now, if Kota wins then the main belt would've been passed around a lot in 4 months, does any promotion gets praised if they book their World Title like that?

If Ibushi loses then that just means they booked a fresh match to sell a big show. Which is fine, but that's just WWE level of short term booking considering what happened at WK9.


I HATE to be the debby downer regarding New Japan because I still enjoy the matches but I can't justify their booking anymore. I'm glad they keep giving us great matchups but that's all there is to their booking at this point. It's not 2005-2008 NOAH level, but that doesn't mean it doesn't deserve to be criticized :manny:

You made a big write up about how Okada losing to Tana made sense because they can re-build Okada via a losing streak storyline. But Okada got the pin today and both New Beginning shows. He lost in the 1st round of the NJC but there's no consistency to his angle.
 

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Cody Hall is still green as fukk. Thank heaven for Shibata and Honma.

Seems like Tanahashi is trapped in the dreaded Toru Yano feud for now. Not a Cena/Rusev situation at all.
 

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Then him losing to Nakamura and winning the New Japan Cup was just an on the fly decision. Again, if Ibushi wins the IWGP then I'll praise the booking because then they have MONEY match against Shinsuke down the line. Now, if Kota wins then the main belt would've been passed around a lot in 4 months, does any promotion gets praised if they book their World Title like that?

If Ibushi loses then that just means they booked a fresh match to sell a big show. Which is fine, but that's just WWE level of short term booking considering what happened at WK9.


I HATE to be the debby downer regarding New Japan because I still enjoy the matches but I can't justify their booking anymore. I'm glad they keep giving us great matchups but that's all there is to their booking at this point. It's not 2005-2008 NOAH level, but that doesn't mean it doesn't deserve to be criticized :manny:

You made a big write up about how Okada losing to Tana made sense because they can re-build Okada via a losing streak storyline. But Okada got the pin today and both New Beginning shows. He lost in the 1st round of the NJC but there's no consistency to his angle.
Context though. How did he get the pin? He got murdered by the BC and was getting out maneuvered by Fale until he got a HELL of a bailout from his team. Okada is still coming off as someone whose confidence is shot and his ability is being affected. He looked like a fiery underdog babyface today for the first time since he was a young lion. This deal with Fale and the BC is absolutely working. It takes him out of the spotlight (which is absolutely crucial) and allows the exploration of a new side of his character. It plays.

Thinking there needs to be a Naka/Ibushi unification match is an off base, way too basic approach to booking and I'm very happy they're not doing it. Naka/Ibushi is a golden pairing, and god bless them for not doing it a third time right now.

The main drive between me loving the Tana/Okada booking and now AJ as champ, is that NJ is accepting their future is looking pretty thin, and are doing the right things for that. Okada is now in the midcard locked in a feud he's making work and not burning through even more singles matches and getting fans on his side in a new way. And now we get Ibushi/AJ.

Tana got the belt in time for the Dome to do a big number with Okada. That's obvious, but I think it's insane to criticize them for that. That's the business. That's where the money ultimately is. There is nothing wrong with them using what they have to explore other options and keep the marquee guys fresh for the big show. Okada and Tana had the belt between them for something like 4 years until AJ won last year. Let's not act like three changes (especially when one of them is the previous champ getting the belt back) is turning it into the Hardcore Title.

Tons of people (you among them) clamor for someone else to be given a shot. Of everyone in NJ, isn't it obvious Ibushi is the most promising? Isn't AJ the ideal person to put him over if that's the case? We've seen what happens when you take a chance on a guy going over the #1 dude in the company and the fans don't buy it. Going over Tana or Okada for a first time champion would be a curse as much as it's a blessing. You might fukk around and have a Rikio situation. But with AJ, you have a super over heel who is respected as a champion but in being a chickenshyt heel of course people will more readily buy into someone beating him without also having to buy them immediately as elite.

Booked a fresh match just to sell a show? Or did what people have been low key complaining for for years and given someone else a chance to take a step to that next level?

And NJ booking deserves to get criticized, but NOT the heavyweights. Okada/Tana, Ishii's rise, Honma's similar one, Naka's reign, they're nailing a lot of thing simultaneously. It's the juniors where the plot has been completely lost and KUSHIDA who is inexplicably getting a rough deal. I feel that maybe Kenny signing last summer had them change shyt up, but KUSHIDA being a double champ, then dropping to Taguchi of all people, then off to Kenny (makes sense, BC is hot and Kenny is over) but THAT'S the sort of belt juggling that should be complained about. Not the main event scene.

But even the fact that we're debating whether or not Kota wins proves my ultimate point. AJ as champ is best for business :blessed: Every defense of his is a toss-up and literally anything can happen this year...until we end up with either Tana or Okada with the belt in time for 1/4 :banderas:
 

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Context though. How did he get the pin? He got murdered by the BC and was getting out maneuvered by Fale until he got a HELL of a bailout from his team. Okada is still coming off as someone whose confidence is shot and his ability is being affected. He looked like a fiery underdog babyface today for the first time since he was a young lion. This deal with Fale and the BC is absolutely working. It takes him out of the spotlight (which is absolutely crucial) and allows the exploration of a new side of his character. It plays.

Thinking there needs to be a Naka/Ibushi unification match is an off base, way too basic approach to booking and I'm very happy they're not doing it. Naka/Ibushi is a golden pairing, and god bless them for not doing it a third time right now.

The main drive between me loving the Tana/Okada booking and now AJ as champ, is that NJ is accepting their future is looking pretty thin, and are doing the right things for that. Okada is now in the midcard locked in a feud he's making work and not burning through even more singles matches and getting fans on his side in a new way. And now we get Ibushi/AJ.

Tana got the belt in time for the Dome to do a big number with Okada. That's obvious, but I think it's insane to criticize them for that. That's the business. That's where the money ultimately is. There is nothing wrong with them using what they have to explore other options and keep the marquee guys fresh for the big show. Okada and Tana had the belt between them for something like 4 years until AJ won last year. Let's not act like three changes (especially when one of them is the previous champ getting the belt back) is turning it into the Hardcore Title.

Tons of people (you among them) clamor for someone else to be given a shot. Of everyone in NJ, isn't it obvious Ibushi is the most promising? Isn't AJ the ideal person to put him over if that's the case? We've seen what happens when you take a chance on a guy going over the #1 dude in the company and the fans don't buy it. Going over Tana or Okada for a first time champion would be a curse as much as it's a blessing. You might fukk around and have a Rikio situation. But with AJ, you have a super over heel who is respected as a champion but in being a chickenshyt heel of course people will more readily buy into someone beating him without also having to buy them immediately as elite.

Booked a fresh match just to sell a show? Or did what people have been low key complaining for for years and given someone else a chance to take a step to that next level?

And NJ booking deserves to get criticized, but NOT the heavyweights. Okada/Tana, Ishii's rise, Honma's similar one, Naka's reign, they're nailing a lot of thing simultaneously. It's the juniors where the plot has been completely lost and KUSHIDA who is inexplicably getting a rough deal. I feel that maybe Kenny signing last summer had them change shyt up, but KUSHIDA being a double champ, then dropping to Taguchi of all people, then off to Kenny (makes sense, BC is hot and Kenny is over) but THAT'S the sort of belt juggling that should be complained about. Not the main event scene.

But even the fact that we're debating whether or not Kota wins proves my ultimate point. AJ as champ is best for business :blessed: Every defense of his is a toss-up and literally anything can happen this year...until we end up with either Tana or Okada with the belt in time for 1/4 :banderas:

Damn that's a lot to argue about :heh:

-The Fale/BC vs Okada program is a nice way to put Okada in the backburner, that's true. But it's not the great angle you were trying to hype when he lost at WK9 and the next night. It's like the Yano/Tanahashi program a couple of years ago when they were also trying to keep Tana busy after he had been like 3 years straight in the title picture. I see it as just a feud to keep Okada busy. I do like he's not working as a cocky prodigy though, that I'll give you.

-The Ibushi thing is what I'm trying to say when I talk about New Japan booking being more about piff matches and pairings than really good booking. I want to see a match between Kota and AJ, I do like that it's a fresh title match. I'm not complaining at that at all. Hell, I have no problem if Ibushi wins the belt (I'm just saying that if WWE had that many title changes they wouldn't be praised at all). As I said before, it's FINE if they book him against AJ because they want to see how much they can draw at Sumo Hall with him main eventing, as a test. But I'm not going to praise the move as great booking if the end game is not addressing his loss to Nakamura at some point.

It's like if WWE booked Ambrose to face Brock or Reigns at Extreme Rules. I'd love to see that match, I'd be glad that they are giving us a fresh matchup. But I wouldn't praise WWE booking considering what they did before, UNLESS Seth Rollins got involved somehow. I know it's not the best example because NJ's booking is miles better than the E's and Ibushi is way stronger than Ambrose as a character right now, but I hope you can get my point.

If Kota loses, him challenging for the IWGP wouldn't be more than just a short term decision to boost attendance. Which again, that's FINE, but not something deserving of praise. What would we say if a promising guy like Ibushi losses two straight big matches in All Japan, NOAH, TNA or WWE?

-Honma's rise is great to see but let's not act like they missed a big opportunity to make him a legit player if they booked his first win as something worth a damn.

-Let's keep eating with the matches their heavyweight division gives us but I can't act as if the booking is anything to write home about.
 

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NJPW "INVASION ATTACK 2015", 05.04.2015 (WPW)
Tokyo Ryogoku Kokugikan

1. Yuji Nagata, Captain New Japan, Alex Shelley, KUSHIDA & Yohei Komatsu vs. Manabu Nakanishi, Jushin Thunder Liger, Tiger Mask, Ryusuke Taguchi & Sho Tanaka
2. Hiroyoshi TenzanSatoshi Kojima & Tomoaki Honma vs. Yujiro Takahashi, Tama Tonga & Cody Hall
3. IWGP Jr. Heavyweight Tag Team Title: Bobby Fish & Kyle O’Reilly (c) vs. Rocky Romero & Barreta
4. IWGP Jr. Heavyweight Title: Kenny Omega (c) vs. Máscara Dorada
5. IWGP Tag Team Title: Karl Anderson & Doc Gallows (c) vs. Michael Bennett & Matt Taven
6. Special Six Man Tag Match: Togi Makabe, Hirooki Goto & Tetsuya Naito vs. Shinsuke Nakamura, Tomohiro Ishii & YOSHI-HASHI
7. Special Tag Match: Hiroshi Tanahashi & Katsuyori Shibata vs. Kazushi Sakuraba & Toru Yano
8. Special Singles Match: Kazuchika Okada vs. Bad Luck Fale
9. IWGP Heavyweight Title: AJ Styles (c) vs. Kota Ibushi


They are making Ibushi sink or swim just like they did AJ last year in Yokohama. It's a very weak card so if they do well it's a sign that AJ can draw and that Ibushi is fukking legit.
 

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While Suzuki-Gun has declared they will make NOAH sink into the ocean forever (plus they will introduce a new member soon), the whole NOAH crew has come together to say they will fight against the invaders.

It's your typical invading faction angle, but I like it a lot. NOAH seems to get some relevancy back.
 
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Man, I need to get into NJPW and be done with settling for WWE. Quick question about the NJPW subscription...Is the commentary done in English and do you get access to live shows?
 
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