It's Really Hard to Be a Good Guy With a Gun

[Insensitive]

:wuthello:yeah....I need to move on



breh...when you "inform" me that removing guns does not cure mental illness as if
1. someone said it did
2. you saying something (I mean breh you elaborated on the comment, paragraph and all:zfg
then friend, you are in the act of playing yourself

I wasn't just elaborating on mental illness, I made sure to clarify that I meant ANYTHING that'll drive
a person to violent crime :

I personally think Guns allow violent irrational people to be more efficient
in their violent outbursts but removing them wouldn't cure said people
from their mental illness or whatever else would drive them to violent
crime of any sort.
Which is why I made sure to say that there is a chance the
murders won't just stop once the amount of guns available is restricted.

totally played myself there.
As for the answer to number 1, I was elaborating on why I took that stance.

This is also intuitive. If guns and knives are equally effective in killing another person, then a knife wielding public should be equally capable of protecting itself from government tyranny and defending their homes. One mass stabbing proves absolutely nothing, as there is a mountain of dead bodies on the other side of the argument that I can easily pull up links to.

What ? I'm not even arguing that, so direct that elsewhere.

Let's backtrack a bit. If you're saying that knives are just as effective as a killing tool, why the fukk do guns even exist in the first place? Why does every military use them? I haven't seen SEAL Team 6 operating in Afghanistan with steak knives in the past 10 years breh.

Nice straw man breh.
And yes knives are a very effective killing tool
Also if we're going to use the military as some sort of evidence of the effectiveness
of knives then you already lost on that front
I'm pretty sure they're standard issue in certain branches :
http://www.themodernsurvivalist.com/archives/1633

I can't believe some of the arguments people come up with for this shyt. It's mind boggling.

Do you even know what I'm arguing ?

 

[tmonster]

This is also intuitive. If guns and knives are equally effective in killing another person, then a knife wielding public should be equally capable of protecting itself from government tyranny and defending their homes. One mass stabbing proves absolutely nothing, as there is a mountain of dead bodies on the other side of the argument that I can easily pull up links to.

Let's backtrack a bit. If you're saying that knives are just as effective as a killing tool, why the fukk do guns even exist in the first place? Why does every military use them? I haven't seen SEAL Team 6 operating in Afghanistan with steak knives in the past 10 years breh.

I can't believe some of the arguments people come up with for this shyt. It's mind boggling.

shyt be having me

:zfg:

 

[tmonster]

I wasn't just elaborating on mental illness, I made sure to clarify that I meant ANYTHING that'll drive
a person to violent crime :



totally played myself there.
As for the answer to number 1, I was elaborating on why I took that stance.


What ? I'm not even arguing that, so direct that elsewhere.


Nice straw man breh.

......:wuthello:...................mah bad breh, you got it

 

[DEAD7]

Every place that guns have been banned, murder rates have gone up. You cannot point to one place where it has fallen, whether it’s Chicago or D.C. or even island nations such as England, Jamaica, or Ireland.
Those proposing a ban need to

 

[Futuristic Eskimo]

shyt be having me

:zfg:

I really can't believe how far people are willing to stretch reason to try to defend their bullshyt. If people just admitted they like guns and don't care about the violence, then I could at least respect that, but the terrible arguments repeated ad nauseam are unbearable. Breh posted a mass knife attack for some unexplainable reason Like Im not aware that people also get killed in other ways

 

[Insensitive]

And before someone hauls off and says it.
No, I am not against stricter gun laws.
No, I do not think "good guys with guns" are the
only thing that can prevent gun crime.
Because that would imply that "Good guys with guns" can't EASILY
become victims of the very gun crime they wish to prevent !
No, I do not think we'll be enslaved in fema camps so obviously I do not think we'll
need to have armed resistance any time soon.

Yes, I do believe that guns play a role in violent crime and embolden people
who otherwise wouldn't go through with it (I even made sure to state this )
Yes, I do believe that restricting the creation and the resulting flow of both
legal and illegal guns in this country could help to stem violent crime however I do not
think this will stop violent individuals (criminals, suicidal mass killer etc.) from attempting to do what it is they do.

I really can't believe how far people are willing to stretch reason to try to defend their bullshyt. If people just admitted they like guns and don't care about the violence, then I could at least respect that, but the terrible arguments repeated ad nauseam are unbearable. Breh posted a mass knife attack for some unexplainable reason Like Im not aware that people also get killed in other ways

I posted it because you said this

If the gun didn't increase the efficiency of killing, then it would be an obsolete tool, as it serves no other purpose. To claim that the same amount of people would die from stabbings or whatever else is not something that I think can really be supported by reality.

Now, if you meant "yearly" that's a possibility but we haven't gotten to that point yet
so I can't really argue against that, what I can do is show several examples of knives
used effectively to maim and kill a lot of people in a short amount of time.
I'm pretty sure there are several instances of this, that are without a doubt supported
by "reality".

 

[Futuristic Eskimo]

I posted it because you said this


Now, if you meant "yearly" that's a possibility but we haven't gotten to that point yet
so I can't really argue against that, what I can do is show several examples of knives
used effectively to maim and kill a lot of people in a short amount of time.
I'm pretty sure there are several instances of this, that are without a doubt supported
by "reality".

Im glad you admit that its at least a possibility

 

[Insensitive]

Im glad you admit that its at least a possibility

You might want to reread my posts,I never said it wasn't.
I was careful in my

......:wuthello:...................mah bad breh, you got it

Not sure is this is sarcasm or not.
I just hope I got my point across

Also I wanted to say that stabbings whether it's with one victim or more
have a high chance of a fatality, this is why it's suggested you run when
a knife is pulled.

 

[acri1]

Are you bein sarcastic

 

[tmonster]

Not sure is this is sarcasm or not.
I just hope I got my point across

Also I wanted to say that stabbings whether it's with one victim or more
have a high chance of a fatality, this is why it's suggested you run when
a knife is pulled.

...........you got something across

 

[DEAD7]

Banning guns gives the 1%(

) 100% of the power

We should avoid this at all cost





What about making careless owners responsible for crimes carried out with firearms registered to them?

 

[tmonster]

Every place that guns have been banned, murder rates have gone up. You cannot point to one place where it has fallen, whether it’s Chicago or D.C. or even island nations such as England, Jamaica, or Ireland.
Those proposing a ban need to

I remember researching this way back when
IIRC, this data was invalidated because the violent classifications changed after that year (i will see if I can find the info)
this is from one of your libertari-brehs
http://blog.skepticallibertarian.co...e-uk-really-5-times-more-violent-than-the-us/

 

[tmonster]

Banning guns gives the 1%(

) 100% of the power

We should avoid this at all cost





What about making careless owners responsible for crimes carried out with firearms registered to them?

 

[tmonster]

http://blog.skepticallibertarian.co...e-uk-really-5-times-more-violent-than-the-us/

 

[DEAD7]

http://blog.skepticallibertarian.co...e-uk-really-5-times-more-violent-than-the-us/

Fair enough, but he still concedes:

Due to fundamental differences in how crime is recorded and categorized, it’s impossible to compute exactly what the British violent crime rate would be if it were calculated the way the FBI does it, but if we must compare the two, my best estimate‡ would be something like 776 violent crimes per 100,000 people. While this is still substantially higher than the rate in the United States, it’s nowhere near the 2,034 cited by Swann and the Mail.