ITS OVER: 2015-16 Chicago Bulls Season Thread

[Trapperman Dave]

They both did/do have their faults - however, as we can all see now, just about everything that was wrong with this team still exists, long after Thibs is gone. Just goes to show he wasn't responsible for half the shyt dudes were blaming him for.

I won't waste any more of your time on that.

What do you think is still the problem?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

What do you think is still the problem?

The same thing it's always been - the personnel. And inconsistent effort.

 

[Brozay]

Are we a bottom 5 team in terms of athleticism?

 

[Loot_Gingrich]

Are we a bottom 5 team in terms of athleticism?

With this version of Rose and Pau playing ~30mpg I'd say yes. Even Snell been looking slow footed.

 

[GoldenGlove]

Taj/Noah have more combined TO's on the season than made baskets

Taj has looked like dogshyt so far. But lets just say, it's because he missed a lot of the pre-season with the ankle injury. Rose gets a pass so everybody else should get one too.

SMH

 

[cornercommission2k12]

@cornercommission2k12

The question I have is, why did everyone go from blaming the FO for not putting a well-built product on the floor (which has been the problem all along - it's NEVER stopped being the problem) to then blaming Thibs for practically everything that was wrong with this squad?

well you already know, that was never me. i was good with thibs going for 2 reasons, 1.he had some weaknesses as far as his rotations and offensive sets especially in the playoffs, and 2, the players were consulted before the firing, and clearly the vast majority of the players clearly wanted thibs gone, so at that point no matter what i feel, thibs has to go if he has clearly lost the locker room, which by judging the game 6 vs cleveland, this team was done with thibs

no on the other side, i have been all about roster changes the minute rose tore that acl. my hopes was the bulls would move somewhat the direction the heat did, when they realized wade was injury prone so they added all stars around him and allowed him to only have to go hard 20-30 games of the season and in the playoffs. this situation would be more ideal for rose. instead the make up of the roster still requires for rose to go super sayian nightly, even to get past bum ass teams like the hornets.

the roster change sentiment was never among the media,it was merely among the fans. the media has always placed the bulk of the blame on rose, but when thibs through van gundy had their personal rift in the public it became a lot more about thibs and people chose sides. clearly more in the media is on thibs side and now we about to get roasted all season long anytime losses like this happen, totally ignoring we had bad losses like this last season as well under thibs, garpax was heavily hoping for a golden state like showing from the bulls to give the proverbial "ha ha" to thibs, but unlike golden state, the bulls forgot the missing piece of that puzzle to make that kind of historic run, and that is not only a mvp level of play from a certain player, which looking at our roster, that is unlikely from anyone on our roster, but also consistency from the role players surrounding the mvp level of play, and our role players are the true definition of inconsistent.

now of course they can go out beat okc, then the expectations resurface from the fan base, and those wins serve as the carrot in front of the donkey to keep fans following, but for those like me, i know how this story ends, because i watched the exact same story last season. they just added a new cast member (hoiberg)

 

[Brozay]

Uhhhhh, yes please?

 

[cornercommission2k12]

Taj/Noah have more combined TO's on the season than made baskets

thats easy to see with jokim cutler out there and all defenses playing him like clay matthews...

 

[cornercommission2k12]

Uhhhhh, yes please?

would do it and not think twice about it.

 

[GoldenGlove]

well you already know, that was never me. i was good with thibs going for 2 reasons, 1.he had some weaknesses as far as his rotations and offensive sets especially in the playoffs, and 2, the players were consulted before the firing, and clearly the vast majority of the players clearly wanted thibs gone, so at that point no matter what i feel, thibs has to go if he has clearly lost the locker room, which by judging the game 6 vs cleveland, this team was done with thibs

no on the other side, i have been all about roster changes the minute rose tore that acl. my hopes was the bulls would move somewhat the direction the heat did, when they realized wade was injury prone so they added all stars around him and allowed him to only have to go hard 20-30 games of the season and in the playoffs. this situation would be more ideal for rose. instead the make up of the roster still requires for rose to go super sayian nightly, even to get past bum ass teams like the hornets.

the roster change sentiment was never among the media,it was merely among the fans. the media has always placed the bulk of the blame on rose, but when thibs through van gundy had their personal rift in the public it became a lot more about thibs and people chose sides. clearly more in the media is on thibs side and now we about to get roasted all season long anytime losses like this happen, totally ignoring we had bad losses like this last season as well under thibs, garpax was heavily hoping for a golden state like showing from the bulls to give the proverbial "ha ha" to thibs, but unlike golden state, the bulls forgot the missing piece of that puzzle to make that kind of historic run, and that is not only a mvp level of play from a certain player, which looking at our roster, that is unlikely from anyone on our roster, but also consistency from the role players surrounding the mvp level of play, and our role players are the true definition of inconsistent.

now of course they can go out beat okc, then the expectations resurface from the fan base, and those wins serve as the carrot in front of the donkey to keep fans following, but for those like me, i know how this story ends, because i watched the exact same story last season. they just added a new cast member (hoiberg)

Last night was a dud game. For the most part they've looked fine outside of that game... even with Rose struggling.

Rose doesn't even need to be vintage MVP Rose for this team to get wins (I mean look at the first 4 games). He hasn't been doing much outside of facilitating on the offensive end. Eventually Rose has to be on the level he was during that Bucks series, where he was active and lively. I have to say it's the orbital fracture that's causing to to look like this, no other explanation.

Rose needs to get this team 17-18 a night with 7-8 assists. That's very doable with the improved shooting this team has. This dude hovering around 10 points isn't going to get it done, and he shouldn't be saying, he's happy with lackluster performances on Ls like the one they took last night.

Noah/Taj have to be a lot better. And in general, this team needs to stop with all the damn turnovers

 

[cornercommission2k12]

Last night was a dud game. For the most part they've looked fine outside of that game... even with Rose struggling.

Rose doesn't even need to be vintage MVP Rose for this team to get wins (I mean look at the first 4 games). He hasn't been doing much outside of facilitating on the offensive end. Eventually Rose has to be on the level he was during that Bucks series, where he was active and lively. I have to say it's the orbital fracture that's causing to to look like this, no other explanation.

Rose needs to get this team 17-18 a night with 7-8 assists. That's very doable with the improved shooting this team has. This dude hovering around 10 points isn't going to get it done, and he shouldn't be saying, he's happy with lackluster performances on Ls like the one they took last night.

Noah/Taj have to be a lot better. And in general, this team needs to stop with all the damn turnovers

Naw I agree with that, I was purposely over exaggerating that point in response to other posters not just here but on the other site, who want to turn last night's loss into a bash rose campaign. So I was speaking sarcastically on its a damn shame we need rose to produce like old rose to get past the hornets since people have turned this into that.

I'm serious about the roster being flawed, but I been with that position for years.

 

[The G.O.D II]

Taj and Noah has to end. The whole bench out at the same time has to end but that pairing is bad. They don't space the floor at all. How many times is Noah going to turn the ball over trying to force it into the post while hes man is ten feet off him? And they are not good on D. Their defensive rating is 104 while their offensive rating is 84 Hoiberg can't let this continue

 

[GoldenGlove]

Jimmy Butler rips Bulls: 'We ain't been playing no defense' - CBSSports.com

Welp...

The Chicago Bulls lost 130-105 to the Charlotte Hornets on Tuesday, and swingman Jimmy Butler was understandably upset about it. After the game, he ripped his team for its defensive approach.

From ESPN's Nick Friedell:

"We ain't been playing no defense," a frustrated Butler said after the game. "Other teams have just been missing shots to tell you the truth, to be honest. [Shoot] we score enough points, that's not the problem. But when you don't stop nobody, they put up 130 or whatever they did, we got to nip that in the bud now because that's not winning basketball. It will never be winning basketball here and it never has been winning basketball here. We've always prided ourself on playing hard and not being pretty. Tonight, we were pretty, we were soft. Got our asses whipped."
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"Effort," Butler said. "Effort will fix all of that on the defensive end. It's all if you want to do it or not, to tell you the truth. I think we got guys capable of it. I think we focus too much on offense a lot of the time. Not most of the time, a lot of the time. And we forget about what you got to do on the other end of the floor. Speaking for myself, speaking for a lot of guys on this team, we got to guard. That's where it's got to start for us. We got to be the dogs that everybody in Chicago knows we are, we've always been. Just some hard-playing guys that play harder than everybody."

Butler wasn't the only one who was miffed. "The only person who brought any kind of intensity tonight was a rookie," Chicago center Joakim Noah said, referring to forward Bobby Portis.

Here are the ugly numbers: Charlotte shot 47-for-91 (51.6 percent) from the field, 14-for-23 (60.9 percent) from 3-point range and 22-for-23 (95.7 percent) from the free throw line. The Bulls also struggled on the glass, getting outrebounded 52-33.

Chicago's defensive statistics were fine heading into the game on Tuesday, but Butler said something like this would happen sooner or later. The Bulls have been focused on offense, and he thinks their mentality has to change.

If this becomes a trend, the question will be simple: without Tom Thibodeau, can Chicago defend at an elite level? New head coach Fred Hoiberg has changed the team's offensive system, and it's tricky to pull off what Steve Kerr did with the Golden State Warriors last year: remain a great defensive team at the same time. It's extremely early, though, and the Bulls have time to find the balance they need.

Perhaps it's a good thing that their next game is against the Oklahoma City Thunder on Thursday. If you don't bring the intensity on defense against Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook, you have no chance.

Seems like Jimmy misses Thibs with these comments

 

[GoldenGlove]

Also...

That's the kind of response you want to hear from your "guys" after an embarrassing game like that. Not the bullshyt Rose put out there.

 

[beenz]

Uhhhhh, yes please?

do the celtics need expiring that bad?