ITS OVER: 2015-16 Chicago Bulls Season Thread

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

My assessment ' unlike yours ' isn't based on roses performance so far

Its based on his attitude ..as stated in MY last post ..I take into ' account ' the reasoning for his poor performances ..whether it be conditioning , eye sight etc

What I'm saying is if u performed like shxt own it don't try and turn it into a spin job ..

My comment ona performances like this ' early in the year '

Wasn't directed just at rose ..its the team as a whole ..what's their excuse for that pathetic showing

My assessment is based on how he's been performing since whenever he's been healthy (the lines are blurred as to when this has been). I'm not just speaking about the five games so far. I've already stated that I'm well aware of what potential setbacks his orbital fracture could've caused him - which ties in with the theme for the last 3-4 seasons. I mean how long are we willing to give him, before we concede he'll never get back to his career trajectory before all these injuries. Which is why I said I don't know if he'll ever regain where he was mentally; I don't know whether or not he knows how to convey his thoughts properly or if he's not being genuine in where he's at in his game.

But there's a problem when he can't recognize that he isn't performing up to par, and believes he's doing his part. Last season he was all about developing his 3-pt shot (attempting 5-6 a game), jacking them to his heart's content; abandoning the midrange almost altogether and now he comes out and says he's abandoning the 3-pt shot and sticking to the midrange/in the paint.

It's almost at the point where it's hard to take what he says serious anymore.

 

[El Jefe]

Your over reacting .. That kid had his first season full season back from surgery last year ..played more then ' up to par' against other top PG's when they went head to head

Was hitting a real nice balance with his form before getting injured :AGAIN' with the MCL

And did more then a reasonable job after coming off a MCL in the playoffs

Now we are 4 games into the season - after fracturing his face, missing the pre season , adjusting to a new offense and lack of eye sight )

And your calling for people to make assumptions on when he will return to MVP rose ? After 4 games into the new year ..

I'm as tired as the next person with the never ending story line or narrative but let's get real here

You want to put rose under the microscope ..then put the whole team under it as well

Because this line up has been putting up trash performances against bottom feeder teams for over a year now

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Your over reacting .. That kid had his first season full season back from surgery last year ..played more then ' up to par' against other top PG's when they went head to head

It's not an overreaction at all, it's quite the opposite. This is what I've been trying to illustrate to you, there always seems to be a setback with him - you'd be naive to think that there isn't a strong possibility of another one in the not too distant future. Then what happens? We wait another season like we've been doing, before we make a prognosis on his game; rinse and repeat of the same process of the last 3-4 seasons?

I couldn't care less about him having this point to prove against other top tier PGs, quite honestly it's fickle and narrow-minded. He needs to play "up to par" whenever his team needs him to (obviously within reason). What's the point of him being motivated for the odd game against the likes of Westbrook, CP and Curry and mailing it in against lottery teams? We all saw what happened yesterday.

Was hitting a real nice balance with his form before getting injured :AGAIN' with the MCL

And did more then a reasonable job after coming off a MCL in the playoffs

This is exactly what I mean.

Now we are 4 games into the season - after fracturing his face, missing the pre season , adjusting to a new offense and lack of eye sight )

And your calling for people to make assumptions on when he will return to MVP rose ? After 4 games into the new year ..

I'm calling for people to deal with the fact there's a good chance he'll never return to where he was, and be prepared for that. Not to just keep on believing this will end with him remaining healthy and playing to the best of his abilities, consistently for a generous period of time (I'm talking seasons, plural).

Are you going to be saying the same thing when/if he comes back from another injury?

I'm as tired as the next person with the never ending story line or narrative but let's get real here

You want to put rose under the microscope ..then put the whole team under it as well

Because this line up has been putting up trash performances against bottom feeder teams for over a year now

First of all, I have higher expectations of Rose - he's the franchise player. I'm not going to expect the same out of Dunleavy as I do with Rose. Second of all, I've been one of the main ones who's been trying to tell folk that the problems with this team are its personnel - this was when 90% of yall tried blaming Thibs for just about everything that was wrong with the squad.

We ALL can see now that Thibs really wasn't the problem afterall.

 

[El Jefe]

It's not an overreaction at all, it's quite the opposite. This is what I've been trying to illustrate to you, there always seems to be a setback with him - you'd be naive to think that there isn't a strong possibility of another one in the not too distant future. Then what happens? We wait another season like we've been doing, before we make a prognosis on his game; rinse and repeat of the same process of the last 3-4 seasons?





I couldn't care less about him having this point to prove against other top tier PGs, quite honestly it's fickle and narrow-minded. He needs to play "up to par" whenever his team needs him to (obviously within reason).


This is exactly what I mean.

I'm calling for people to deal with the fact there's a good chance he'll never return to where he was, and be prepared for that. Not just keep on believing that this will end with him remaining healthy and playing to the best of his abilities consistently for a generous period of time (I'm talking seasons, plural).


Are you going to be saying the same thing when/if he comes back from another injury?

First of all, I have higher expectations of Rose - he's the franchise player.




You can't hold 'one person ' accountable and not a whole team that mails in performances on a consistent basis


I'm not going to expect the same out of Dunleavy as I do with Rose. Second of all, I've been one of the main ones who's been trying to tell folk that the problems with this team are its personnel - this was when 90% of yall tried blaming Thibs for just about everything that was wrong with the squad.

We ALL can see now that Thibs really wasn't the problem afterall.

Its a over reaction because your asking people to deal with the realization after 4 games - Its a over action because you want to discount those games against the upper tier of PG's


You are only looking at things only from 1 angle ..you want to factor in everything to make your argument , buy not look at it from the other side and discount areas where he has proved himself


Bruuh rose getting reinjured won't be a surprise to anyone @ this stage isn't something anyone that would be surprised by in this day x age

( I don't think anyone see's rose as the franchise player anymore - But is he possibly the ' MIP' to this team by playing on the level we know he can) then the answer is probably yes

End of the day does rose need to hold himself more accountable for trash performances yes

Does he need to be more consistent yes

Does this whole team need to step up and do the sane ..I'm sure we 'both ' agree something needs to be done ...

But trying to focus on just 'rose ' and not taking into account what has transpired ...naaah

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Its a over reaction because your asking people to deal with the realization after 4 games - Its a over action because you want to discount those games against the upper tier of PG's

Again, I'm not simply going on these last five games. I'm speaking about his situation as a whole, as you should. You can't eliminate what has happened over the last 3-4 seasons from the equation. How the hell can you not prepare yourself after acknowledging all his injury history? I'm not saying that it's foregone conclusion he'll never regain his place in the league - I'm saying this is something we all have to be prepared for. It's no good sitting back and hoping everything will be all right.

I'm not discounting those games against top tier PGs, but they DON'T mean shyt when he can't get up to play the likes of Kemba/Lin. How the hell is he suppose to develop any consistency in his game, when he's picking and choosing what games to get up for? How the hell do you expect the team to develop consistency when he's sleepwalking through the meat of the schedule? How do you expect the team to win enough games for playoff seeding? How the hell do you expect the team to be prepared for the playoffs? Is he going to do the same shyt if he comes up against an average PG in the playoffs? I mean look what happened in the Cavs series - Dellavedova left him in his wake.

You are only looking at things only from 1 angle ..you want to factor in everything to make your argument , buy not look at it from the other side and discount areas where he has proved himself

Nope, that would be you. Tell me when has Rose played CONSISTENTLY well over the last 3-4 seasons? Not just a few games against the best PGs, but in all games.

To carry on further from that, are you willing to make this same argument if he gets injured again? Because this is what happened last time and the time before that [ad nauseum].

Bruuh rose getting reinjured won't be a surprise to anyone @ this stage isn't something anyone that would be surprised by in this day x age

( I don't think anyone see's rose as the franchise player anymore - But is he possibly the ' MIP' to this team by playing on the level we know he can)

If you're willing to admit that it won't be a shock if he gets injured again, why are you adamant that he'll regain his form?

His salary dictates he's the franchise player, again, these are the type of expectations that are placed on him and not a role player.

You can't hold 'one person ' accountable and not a whole team that mails in performances on a consistent basis

I'm not just holding him accountable. Where are you getting this from? The point is, more is expected of him than just about every single player on the team. You expect more from your star players (I don't even need to say this). I'm not turning a blind eye to how everyone else is performing. Why do you keep saying this? I've already stated the this squad has personnel issues.

End of the day does rose need to hold himself more accountable for trash performances yes

Does he need to be more consistent yes

Does this whole team need to step up ..I'm sure we agree something needs to be done ...

But trying to focus on just 'rose ' and not taking into account what has transpired ...naaah

Breh, how many times do I need to say that I'm not heaping all the blame on Rose? Save that talking point for the next man.

I think we need to wrap this up. You're clearly not reading what I'm posting.

 

[beenz]

I remember when Westbrook came back from a facial injury last season and straight up dominated.

Why can't you be like him Derrick

Let's not compare Russ's approach returning from injury to drose. There's simply no comparison.

 

[beenz]

What world does he live in where that performance is acceptable???

 

[El Jefe]

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I think we need to wrap this up. You're clearly not reading what I'm posting.

U ain't gettin my point either .. All G

Let's see how things play out as season progresses

 

[cornercommission2k12]

Well apparently we need a mvp level rose to get pass a bum ass Charlotte team.

That is really pitiful in retrospect.

Look, rose needs to play better, he just does, but last night was a result of a faulty roster that continued to have showings like this all last season and garpax continued to keep things as is and watch the inevitable crash and burn take place. The roster is just not good enough. I want to rock with these dudes especially after the way the media killed us after the cavs win but right now, they looking right in they assessment about us. Even if they assessment is hyperbole simply because they didn't watch enough of us last season so they don't know these same showings took place plenty of times under thibs too.

So again, how long do we go looking at mediocrity before garpax decides it's time to change things? Or do we allow them to sell us the dream of once again rose will return to 2010-11 and carry us most the season just so we can watch it fall apart again in the offs?

No excuse, if you are a contender, your supposed to have enough talent to beat the damn hornets even if rose is only scoring 4 pts. And if we back to "why ain't rose carrying us" then it's only more of a testament to the mediocrity of the roster. Might as well bring bogans, brewer cj Watson and boozer back, least then we get defense and boozer hitting the boards hard smh

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

@cornercommission2k12

The question I have is, why did everyone go from blaming the FO for not putting a well-built product on the floor (which has been the problem all along - it's NEVER stopped being the problem) to then blaming Thibs for practically everything that was wrong with this squad?

 

[El Jefe]

Everyone needs to take a deep breathe and give it a lil time ..we ain't even a month into the new season

Thia is a team with a new coach ..a new system ..rose coming off injury ..players with new roles

Have a look round at other teams with new coaches over the past few years , and see how they performed to start a season ..

We 5 games in ..Kerr really needs to get a lot of credit because the speed at which he was able to implement things at GSW and get players to buy in was A+

 

[Brozay]

@cornercommission2k12

The question I have is, why did everyone go from blaming the FO for not putting a well-built product on the floor (which has been the problem all along - it's NEVER stopped being the problem) to then blaming Thibs for practically everything that was wrong with this squad?

its not mutually exclusive tho. both sides have their faults (as do the players)

and like I said yesterday, the players were done with him, its really whatever at this point

id rather not have a season long discussion about Thibs

hes gonna get hired somewhere else next season, and probably be very successful

 

[El Jefe]

@Brozay

Lakers might pick thibs up this year the way Byron Scott lookin

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

its not mutually exclusive tho. both sides have their faults (as do the players)

and like I said yesterday, the players were done with him, its really whatever at this point

id rather not have a season long discussion about Thibs

hes gonna get hired somewhere else next season, and probably be very successful

They both did/do have their faults - however, as we can all see now, just about everything that was wrong with this team still exists, long after Thibs is gone. Just goes to show he wasn't responsible for half the shyt dudes were blaming him for.

I won't waste any more of your time on that.

 

[Brozay]

Taj/Noah have more combined TO's on the season than made baskets