It's never been about Peyton vs. Brady...It's BEEN about Manning the OC vs. Bill Belichek the DC

[Street Knowledge]

Tom Brady shredded the Panthers in '03 and he played great against the Eagles in '04. I should know, I cried seeing Philly lose by 3 fukkin points. Even in '07 and '11, Brady put up good numbers. Eli and The Giants just did more.

Meanwhile Peyton has never played better in either of his Superbowls.

As usual, these kids focus on every statistic except the ones that matter :outbackcac:

He didnt play great the first SB against the Giants, a lot of it was due to the fact that his famed offensive line collapsed but still(no picks though)However When it was money time he drove them downfield and though he put them up by 4 with 3 mins left. That should've been game

If the pats sack eli or Asante catches that pick were not having this "debate" let's be real here

 

[cook]

Where am I slighting Brady? Quote me.

I said nothing about him. It's about OC vs. DC coordinator. Peyton happens to play both roles....and you aren't beating the king most times. Belichick is the greatest at it. All of that other stuff you posted has NOTHING to do with anything "I" said.

You dudes stay responding to yourselves and strawmen. Brady isn't my argument.

calling it a "sham matchup" is basically insinuating that brady shouldnt even be in a discussion with manning. then you went on to say that brady would struggle against belichick. if your argument is that QBs shouldnt be compared to each other then why even bother bringing brady up? why not just make your argument about QBs in general and how comparing how they fair against each other in heads up competition is stupid (which you ironically ignored when i clearly said i agreed with you on that)

 

[NYC Rebel]

calling it a "sham matchup" is basically insinuating that brady shouldnt even be in a discussion with manning. then you went on to say that brady would struggle against belichick. if your argument is that QBs shouldnt be compared to each other then why even bother bringing brady up? why not just make your argument about QBs in general and how comparing how they fair against each other in heads up competition is stupid (which you ironically ignored when i clearly said i agreed with you on that)

I called the media narrative a sham. I said Brady would struggle against Beli since every HOF QB I've seen had to face Beli defenses over time struggled.

Brady:HOF qb

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Belichek = History of making HOF QBs struggle
Brady would struggle too

Was that so hard? That's insulting Brady??


Qb vs. QB in head to head matchups are LOGICALLY INACCURATE and DUMB.

This isn't tennis. I've ALWAYS shyt on that argument.

 

[holidayinn21]

94 playoffs- top-ranked browns defense caused 3 bledsoe picks.

improved the jets D from 29th to 6th to 2nd in PPG by 98.

held the jags to 156 yards and 3 picks from mark brunell.

held top-ranked rushing attack steelers to 58 yards rushing.

he takes your strength away and makes you play your secondary stuff. and nikkas is tryna downplay his greatness smh.

 

[NYC Rebel]

94 playoffs- top-ranked browns defense caused 3 bledsoe picks.

improved the jets D from 29th to 6th to 2nd in PPG by 98.

held the jags to 156 yards and 3 picks from mark brunell.

held top-ranked rushing attack steelers to 58 yards rushing.

he takes your strength away and makes you play your secondary stuff. and nikkas is tryna downplay his greatness smh.

Madden was talking about dude being the first coach to put eight DBs on the field. Dude was unreal.

 

[Malik]

He didnt play great the first SB against the Giants, a lot of it was due to the fact that his famed offensive line collapsed but still(no picks though)However When it was money time he drove them downfield and though he put them up by 4 with 3 mins left. That should've been game

If the pats sack eli or Asante catches that pick were not having this "debate" let's be real here

266 yards, 1 td, 82% rating, 5 sacks (Brady vs. Giants, 2007)

247 yards, 1 td, 1 int, 81% rating, 1 sacks (Manning vs. Bears, 2006)

If I ranked all five of them, it'd would be Carolina/2003-Phillly/2004-Giants/2011-Giants/2007-Rams/2001. So 2007 was one of his "bad" games but, compared to Manning, he played better. He threw no interceptions and he still kept his composure despite getting sacked 5 times. Without that miracle catch, he'd had 4 rings and a perfect season.

 

[ill]

2007 Allowed 274 points (17.1/g), 4th.
2006 Allowed 237 points (14.8/g), 2nd.
2009 Allowed 285 points (17.8/g), 5th
2010 Allowed 313 points (19.6/g), 8th.
2012 Allowed 331 points (20.7/g), 9th

You clearly don't watch Patriots games. Shut up. Those defensive stats are inflated cuz Brady dominates the clock and lets the defense rest. They are a shell of what they were in the first 3 SB runs.

 

[yseJ]

So what happened to this masterful scheming and you want to give Bellichek all the credit for the giants defense because he was the coordinator yet you don't want to give Parcells the credit since it was his defense and he was also a defensive coordinator either give crennel the credit for locking up manning or change your stance

who said Im not giving parcells credit ? I do, I give crennel credit too- I think hes a very good defensive coach, its just in both cases beli was the main guy calling the plays and schemes iirc and crennel was his disciple. if you have conflicting info, let me see it.

 

[ill]

And what does that have to do with my post?



WHAT POINT are you debating?

Your OP is all about how Beli is such a defensive genius and when I state my Pats D has been ass for the past 10 years you think it doesn't relate to the OP? Ok.....

 

[cook]

I called the media narrative a sham. I said Brady would struggle against Beli since every HOF QB I've seen had to face Beli defenses over time struggled.

Brady:HOF qb

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Belichek = History of making HOF QBs struggle
Brady would struggle too

Was that so hard? That's insulting Brady??


Qb vs. QB in head to head matchups are LOGICALLY INACCURATE.

So you basically have two separate points and are meshing them together.

Qb vs Qb in head to head matchups are stupid, this is my 3rd time agreeing with you on that.

Would Brady struggle against the Patriots D? That's debatable and totally different discussion anyways. The Patriots Pass D in recent years has been garbage...We've been letting scrub QBs have career bests for like half a decade. I'm not so sure Brady would struggle as much as you think.

Pass Rank

2012 - 23
2011 - 28
2010 - 17
2009 - 16

 

[NYC Rebel]

Your OP is all about how Beli is such a defensive genius and when I state my Pats D has been ass for the past 10 years you think it doesn't relate to the OP? Ok.....

The Pats D not being great has nothing to do with what Beli has done over the years disrupting great QBs, especially when he's on his playoff grind.

 

[ill]

The Pats D not being great has nothing to do with what Beli has done over the years disrupting great QBs, especially when he's on his playoff grind.

So then you're saying that Tom Brady IS actually the GOD since the Pats D aint all that. Ok

 

[NYC Rebel]

So you basically have two separate points and are meshing them together.

No...I have ONE COHERENT POINT. ONE TRAIN OF THOUGHT

1. Manning is the only OC/QB in the NFL
2. based on that...the regular OC vs. DC match up we see EVERY WEEKEND ties itself to Manning the OC vs. Belichick the DC
3. Belichick's history of shytting on HOF QB.


This has NOTHING to do with shytting on Brady other than saying that the Brady vs. Manning when they play in the same game DOESNT MAKE REAL AND LOGICAL SENSE.

OC's have a LONG history of losing when trying to match wits with Belichick....period.

This isn't racquetball.

 

[TheNig]

And you can see you have no counter argument as usual.

You can "feel"

emotions

Here's the thing about empty responses like yours....your inability to go toe to toe with the OP says everything. Even the cornball you c/s had no physical counterargument. His argument was tied to "why" Manning vs. Brady is used when that is a moot point.

You fukkin right I can feel. And I feel that as knowledgeable add you are something you've never been able to separate is your disdain for Brady. And I think it is based on you being a Jetsb fan. It's not bad. Its just what it is.

Too often on this joint you get flustered and think you're being attacked. So you throwa jab at a nikka who actually has respect for you.

 

[NYC Rebel]

You fukkin right I can feel. And I feel that as knowledgeable add you are something you've never been able to separate is your disdain for Brady. And I think it is based on you being a Jetsb fan. It's not bad. Its just what it is.

Too often on this joint you get flustered and think you're being attacked. So you throwa jab at a nikka who actually has respect for you.

This is dumb. where's the Brady slight?

Where have you debated my actual point? You haven't...so you create a strawman.

I don't fukk with illogical niqqas.