NAH ITS USUALLY RELATED
TO LABEL PUSH...
GUYS LIKE KENDRICK AND COLE
HAD ZERO CHARISMA AT THE START
OF THEIR CAREERS BUT DEVELOPED IT.
SAME FOR KANYE
Its crazy how nikkas like Vince, Soul, Q, and Freddie Gibbs will drop some of the best albums in rap but barely sell anything
- Thread starter Westbama Heartthrob
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NAH ITS USUALLY RELATED
TO LABEL PUSH...
GUYS LIKE KENDRICK AND COLE
HAD ZERO CHARISMA AT THE START
OF THEIR CAREERS BUT DEVELOPED IT.
SAME FOR KANYE
spliz
SplizThaDon
Schoolboy Q had mainstream success and Gibbs is a whole character. Its not that. It's about corporate push at this point and on top of that they are too old to be viral with young people. So they in that middle spot.
If you have been on a major record label and you flop it’s your fault
Man at some point it all doesn’t matter and you just have to enjoy what you enjoy cause
1. “And all of em better than Fold too”
That’s your opinion.
2. “I don't know how they do it. All that work to create something with substance and quality but majority would rather hear some bullshyt”
That’s your opinion too.
Freddie was signed to a major. (interscope and Warner) but couldn’t pop off
Vince was signed to a major (Def Jam) (my favorite west coast rapper outside of Blu) but couldn’t pop off really
Soul never had major backing though (was never going to pop off he’s the quintessential underground lyricist)
Q is still signed to interscope and has had a great career. (Has multiple platinum plaques)
Thing is everyone isn’t meant for superstardom. Somebody has to play the minor role and that’s okay. They are all successful in their own right.
1. “And all of em better than Fold too”
That’s your opinion.
2. “I don't know how they do it. All that work to create something with substance and quality but majority would rather hear some bullshyt”
That’s your opinion too.
Freddie was signed to a major. (interscope and Warner) but couldn’t pop off
Vince was signed to a major (Def Jam) (my favorite west coast rapper outside of Blu) but couldn’t pop off really
Soul never had major backing though (was never going to pop off he’s the quintessential underground lyricist)
Q is still signed to interscope and has had a great career. (Has multiple platinum plaques)
Thing is everyone isn’t meant for superstardom. Somebody has to play the minor role and that’s okay. They are all successful in their own right.
Piff Perkins
Veteran
They aren't trying to sell records. These are largely independent records, or major label ones that deliberately don't have mainstream songs (Q). These guys are also almost 40 in many cases. It is what it is, I don't think they're complaining. They have real fans and can successfully tour as long as they want.
NAH ITS USUALLY RELATED
TO LABEL PUSH...
GUYS LIKE KENDRICK AND COLE
HAD ZERO CHARISMA AT THE START
OF THEIR CAREERS BUT DEVELOPED IT.
SAME FOR KANYE
Exactly
Gibbs has more Charisma/Star Power than Cole n Kendrick combined
Thats why dude has been in movies, tv shows, podcasts.
Dude is a character of Rick Ross magnitude. Lack of mainstream success has nothing to do with that. Cole is still boring as fukk to this day.
Travis Scott all these nikkas got the personality of a dry wall
In the early 90s, you had to be hardcore to sell records.
Late 90s baller or gangsta
2000s Crunk, hood tunes, and not so much "real hip hop"
2010s drug raps and THOT tunes.
Now its......ADHD THOT raps, demonic drill, and afrobeats whining tunes.
The game continues to be the game. Want "real hip hop" support and go to the shows.
Don't want "real hip hop", don't buy the albums and let cacs go to the shows
IMO it's the opposite... They got as far as they could given their charisma level
What? Kanye had crazy charisma. We are talking about established artists here, post first albun. Kanye in his first album is a star
NAH ITS USUALLY RELATED
TO LABEL PUSH...
GUYS LIKE KENDRICK AND COLE
HAD ZERO CHARISMA AT THE START
OF THEIR CAREERS BUT DEVELOPED IT.
SAME FOR KANYE
Low End Derrick
Veteran
Gibbs done had multiple major looks but he simply cant get out of his own way. Which makes me think he simply doesn't want to be a major star, musically.
Which makes me think he simply doesn't want to be a major star, musically.
Westbama Heartthrob
Irregular Zero
That's the thing though. All these dudes got marketable personalities people buy into. Even soul got a lane. But it hasn't translated into music sales for some reason
I'm not saying I'm expecting them to be superstars. Just that you would think they'd at least be going gold. Cause it's always, "Why ain't so and so dropping music? It's been x many years.
He done fell off 
"But nikkas is selling like 11-23k per album. It's like you bout have to be ready for your favorite artist to retire and you can't really blame em
Yeah, they're older but you got ll, cube, dre and snoop dropping so hopefully they will continue as well
$cam-U-Well_Jack$on
Superstar
Personally, I'ont give a fukk about sales. fukk da sales. All I need is for da music to be good.
Iverson_64
Superstar
Yep.
My Turn by Lil Baby is the best selling rap album this decade and ain't no real rap fan calling that shyt a "classic."