It’s A Splash Bros Reunion! Are You Kuminga To The Poole Party? Warriors 2022 Season Thread

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Today, we’re breaking down the Golden State Warriors (39-33), who are still a very good team but desperately looking to get back to the Light Years era of this franchise.
Overall grade from the offseason: B+
Team Status: Playoff Hopeful
What happened last season?
Steph Curry happened. Yes, I know the Golden State Warriors lost both of their Play-In Tournament games. I know Curry only scored two points in overtime against Memphis for the No. 8 seed. Who the hell cares? Did you watch him last season? Curry was absurd. It might have been even better than his unanimous MVP season considering he only had Draymond Green playing at an elite level and the help from role players wasn’t even close to the same. Sure, it resulted in zero playoff wins, so some people will discount it as not impressive or anything to swoon over. Those people are idiots weeding themselves out of the basketball discussions you should take seriously. Curry was worldly with 32.0 points per game on 65.5 percent true shooting. No player has ever put up 32.0 points per game on 65 percent or better true shooting. Kevin Durant scored 32.0 per game in 2013-14 and only notched a 63.5 true shooting percentage.
They would have been the 10th best offense in the NBA with Curry on the floor all the time. Without Curry on the floor, their offense would have been a little over a full point better than the tanking Oklahoma City Thunder who went 3-25 after the trade deadline. Curry wasn’t the only one playing great. The Warriors needed every ounce of effort from Green. He put up an unbelievable defensive effort all season, dragging the Warriors to a top five in defensive rating. Andrew Wiggins played the best basketball of his career. Jordan Poole emerged as a player the Warriors could get excited about. And unfortunately, the hype of James Wiseman as the second pick in the draft got cold water from a tough start and an injury that ended his season. Curry and Green simply didn’t have enough help, and it proved to everybody two things. First, they badly need a healthy Klay Thompson. Secondly, it’s time to restock the veteran role players on this roster.
Positional changes
We may have some quibbles over which players belong in specific groups, but I’m just going with my overall impressions of where they did belong and where they probably will belong next season. Not ordered in the expected depth chart.
Changes to Golden State's Lead Guards
LEAD GUARDS 2020-21 PLAYERS 2021-22 PLAYERS
1
Steph Curry
Steph Curry
2
Mychal Mulder
Mychal Mulder
3
Gary Payton II
Gary Payton II
4
Nico Mannion
Chris Chiozza
(Lead guards are just considered the main initiators from the backcourt position.)
Transactions: Nico Mannion signed in Italy | Signed Chris Chiozza on a two-way deal
Did Warriors improve here? The Warriors did not, but they also didn’t need to. They have Curry! Mychal Mulder has been a nice find for them over the last couple of seasons, and while you’d feel more comfortable with them having a Shaun Livingston-esque backup lead guard, they don’t fully need it. Green does so much playmaking that they can get by with Mulder, Gary Payton II and whatever Chiozza might be able to give them.
Changes to Golden State's Wings
WINGS 2020-21 PLAYERS 2021-22 PLAYERS
1
Andrew Wiggins
Klay Thompson
2
Kelly Oubre Jr.
Andrew Wiggins
3
Kent Bazemore
Andre Iguodala
4
Jordan Poole
Jordan Poole
5
Juan Toscano-Anderson
Jonathan Kuminga
6
Damion Lee
Moses Moody
7
X
Juan Toscano-Anderson
8
X
Damion Lee
(Wings will do some playmaking but they’re mostly there to get their job done from the perimeter in various scoring or 3-and-D roles.)
Transactions: Drafted Jonathan Kuminga with seventh pick | Drafted Moses Moody with 14th pick | Signed Andre Iguodala (one year)
(Note: Left Thompson off last year’s wings list due to missing the entire season with an Achilles injury.)
Did Warriors improve here? The Warriors absolutely improved, and that’s before we even get into the return of Thompson from his two-season absence. Kuminga will bring production to the Warriors, even as a rookie. Moody might find his way into doing the same at some point in the season. Instead of having Kelly Oubre Jr.’s erratic play on the floor, the Warriors will have a more tempered approach with the return of Iguodala. His ceiling might be lower than Oubre’s, but his floor is a lot higher too. With Thompson coming back at some point in the first half of the season, just him being an all-time shooter is a game changer.
Changes to Golden State's Forwards
FORWARDS 2020-21 PLAYERS 2021-22 PLAYERS
1
Draymond Green
Draymond Green
2
Eric Paschall
Otto Porter Jr.
3
Alen Smailagic
Nemanja Bjelica
(Bigger guys who aren’t quite wings across the board, but they’re not consistently playing big enough to get the full-time “big” distinction.)
Transactions: Traded Eric Paschall | Signed Otto Porter Jr. (one year) | Signed Nemanja Bjelica (one year) | Waived Alen Smailagic
Did Warriors improve here? I think the Warriors got a lot better at the forward position too. Paschall was a nice role player, but he still has plenty of holes as a young player. Assuming Porter can stay healthy, he’ll provide some elite 3-point shooting, and I think he can make plays in the system the Warriors run. Bjelica should fit in perfectly with their free-flowing offense. He can shoot it from deep, and he’s an excellent playmaker as a forward. Green is still the backbone here, but he has some better veteran help.
Changes to Golden State's Bigs
BIGS 2020-21 PLAYERS 2021-22 PLAYERS
1
James Wiseman
James Wiseman
2
Kevon Looney
Kevon Looney
3
Jordan Bell
X
(The big fellas; it’s self-explanatory at this point.)
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Did Warriors improve here? They didn’t get better, and they didn’t get worse. No offense to Bell, but losing him doesn’t truly affect their talent level, especially when Green plays so much at the five. Kevon Looney is the rock-solid option here, and the hope is Wiseman stays healthy and shows a good step forward. He’ll be the key to just how much they have to tax Green and how much they can exploit Wiseman’s athleticism.
Did the team get better?
The Warriors did get better. Even if you don’t want to put stock into Kuminga and Moody helping them right away (it’s rare rookies contribute to winning), the Warriors bringing in some solid veteran options is a big win. So often last season, we saw Curry and Green waiting for guys to catch up on the moment and know what comes next. It took a little while for newer players next to Curry to learn how to play alongside him. Knowing his constant movement was creating havoc for opposing defenses and his patience would lead to better offense, this team was shockingly mediocre on offense (20th). The Warriors will get Thompson back, and that’s going to be huge. But injecting intelligence like Iguodala, Porter and Bjelica into the mix gives them much-needed poise with or without Curry on the floor. Nobody will confuse them for the 2014-2019 Warriors teams, but, if healthy, we won’t confuse them for what we saw the last two seasons either.
What does it mean for next season?
The question becomes does any of this make the Warriors a contender in the West? Well, I’m not sure how reasonable it is to expect Curry or Green to play as well as they did last season. Maybe they don’t need to, especially if Thompson comes back into the mix and looks like the player of old. However, the second Splash Brother coming back and being the shooter we remember is a hell of a lot different than expecting him to be the defender we remember. If he’s not 100 percent right now, that’s OK, but it also prevents the Warriors from looking like contenders. So how else do they make up for that? It would likely entail that Wiseman and either one of the rookies (Kuminga or Moody) contribute to winning basketball consistently right away. That’s asking a lot out of young players, and multiple young players at that.
The Warriors also don’t need to be contenders right away, although the clock is ticking on Curry’s career. Not that he isn’t still great. Again, he just had one of the most ridiculous offensive seasons we’ve ever seen. But he’s turning 34 this season, and there are only so many seasons left. The Warriors know this, and it’s a big reason they’ve been so pressed to go out and try to find another star for their mix. Perhaps that’s what comes next for the Warriors. Maybe they swing a trade for Ben Simmons with some package of Wiggins (mostly for contract matching purposes) and young guys and/or picks to add another high-level player.
The Warriors seemed to have cooled on Simmons, but maybe that was negotiating posturing? Maybe they’ll try to pounce on the latest reports about Simmons and Philadelphia. Or they can try to find another high-level player, add him to the core and see if that puts them over the top. It helps that teams like the Clippers and Nuggets are missing key players who will eventually come back from knee injuries. But the Lakers, Suns and Jazz exist at the top of the West, along with the teams missing key players. The Warriors’ goal is to crack into that group, and we’re playing a lot of the “what if” game to find a way to put them there.
Three quick questions with Marcus Thompson II, Warriors and NBA writer
1. When is Thompson expected back, and should we expect him to be 100 percent?
We’ve known for a while it’s been possible, if not likely, Thompson’s start would be delayed. Stephen Curry said they were expecting Klay to miss the beginning of the year. ESPN’s Ramona Shelburne reported the Warriors are targeting Christmas Day for Thompson’s debut.
But returning to the court is not equivalent with 100 percent. That is the great unknown: At what point will Klay be Klay again — and will that point ever come? Optimism abounds as Kevin Durant looked pretty good in his return from an Achilles tear. But Thompson is coming off an ACL and Achilles tear in consecutive years. If he does return on Christmas, it will be his first NBA game in 30 months. The safest bet is for him to get back to being the old Klay next season. The Warriors will take it slow, ease him back. He’ll be a load management guy. If he’s, say, 80 percent of himself at any point in the coming season, that would be considered a win for Golden State. If he’s somehow back to his old self by the postseason, it would be Hollywood script-worthy.
2. Will Wiseman have a big jump in Year 2?
The Warriors are banking on it, even if their posture is patience. He’s a core piece to the future, but in the back of their minds, some in the front office are whispering to themselves “wait until they see Wiseman.” OK, maybe it’s just owner Joe Lacob.
Circumstances are working against Wiseman. He wasn’t able to play summer league thanks to a torn meniscus. He’s been deemed on track for training camp, which he desperately needs. Remember: Wiseman was not able to workout with the team over the summer after being drafted No. 2 overall and missed the training camp before his rookie year. So they need him to get the work in to make the big stride.
There is a universe, though, where he can have a big jump just by virtue of a simplified role and lower expectations. Wiseman’s bar as a rookie was his massive potential and the hype he garnered as the No. 2 overall pick and Golden State’s choice over LaMelo Ball. This season, Wiseman’s bar is a rookie season full of struggles to stay on the floor and be a positive contribution. In some ways, if he can be a functional, productive part of the rotation — finish at the rim, run the floor, play good defense, rebound — that would be a pretty sizable jump.
3. Will rookies Kuminga or Moody have big contributions?
Big contributions is such a lofty expectation. The better question is whether they will contribute at all. They’re both 19 years old walking onto a team expecting to make the playoffs. They’ll be competing against incumbent veterans for minutes and are likely to lose those battles until Steve Kerr gets comfortable with them. It’s probably more likely for Kuminga as Moody will be vying for minutes at a position that features Thompson, Andrew Wiggins, Jordan Poole, Damion Lee and possibly Mychael Mulder.
Kuminga is an interesting case, though. The Warriors are short on explosive athletes and finishers — which is why Wiseman jumps off the page — and they certainly don’t have a lot of players who are 6-foot-8, 230 pounds. Small forwards who could drop down to power forwards was the calling card of the championship Warriors. First it was Harrison Barnes until they upgraded to Kevin Durant. Those players are especially valuable because Draymond Green, the starting power forward, has been their best option at center. Since Durant left, the Warriors haven’t had such a player. Juan Toscano-Anderson earned a spot by being able to do it.
Kuminga has the body and athleticism to do it. Theoretically, he could fill a need of a player who allows the Warriors to go small and keep their pace up but stay big enough and strong enough to not get abused on defense and on the boards. He’d have to be great in transition and a threat to finish in the half court and stick an occasional open jumper. The question is whether Kuminga has the skills for the role yet. If he’s good enough, they certainly don’t have another player quite like him.
Team status goal by end of 2021-22: On the Brink of Contention
 

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I'll go with 21 Steph. shyt reminded me of 05-06 Kobe and I still believe that is the best basketball I've ever seen a human play.
62 Point game :wow:

32 points per game :wow:

Oldest to winning scoring title
Since MJ :wow:

Passed Wilt on Warriors list :wow:

10 3 pointers in 7 games :wow:


All of this with fukkin weedplate as his sidekick :wow:
 

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62 Point game :wow:

32 points per game :wow:

Oldest to winning scoring title
Since MJ :wow:

Passed Wilt on Warriors list :wow:

10 3 pointers in 7 games :wow:


All of this with fukkin weedplate as his sidekick :wow:

To your point, from the Athletic article I posted earlier:

What happened last season?
Steph Curry happened. Yes, I know the Golden State Warriors lost both of their Play-In Tournament games. I know Curry only scored two points in overtime against Memphis for the No. 8 seed. Who the hell cares? Did you watch him last season? Curry was absurd. It might have been even better than his unanimous MVP season considering he only had Draymond Green playing at an elite level and the help from role players wasn’t even close to the same. Sure, it resulted in zero playoff wins, so some people will discount it as not impressive or anything to swoon over. Those people are idiots weeding themselves out of the basketball discussions you should take seriously. Curry was worldly with 32.0 points per game on 65.5 percent true shooting. No player has ever put up 32.0 points per game on 65 percent or better true shooting. Kevin Durant scored 32.0 per game in 2013-14 and only notched a 63.5 true shooting percentage.
They would have been the 10th best offense in the NBA with Curry on the floor all the time. Without Curry on the floor, their offense would have been a little over a full point better than the tanking Oklahoma City Thunder who went 3-25 after the trade deadline.

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Steph and a fan at the Met:

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