Italians aren't white apparently

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This is what the “real Americans “ fear that we are going to do here one day…that’s why they are stock piling guns and are so damn. Jumpy with us…
 

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Naw look at a Russian map now and over history and you’ll see my point.

Ben Franklin- “in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth.”

Yes looked as white of course. But there’s always been a heirarchy and that’s what is misinterpreted by hoteps when they say “Italians weren’t white”. ppl in America have trouble identifying ethnic whites. Whiteness in America has historically meant WASP. That’s why you get recent white immigrants who will say “insert nation” if you call them white.

Go to Miami and call a white Brazilian or “white” and they will correct you. Frenchmen will do the same.

No different than ppl of African descent stating Nigerian, Haitian etc when you call them black as that has historically been for Black Americans.

White adoption or the rewriting of Russians as the white standard started after WW2 and Nazi Germany getting neutered by the world and sanctions. Now “Russia” who showed bravery during the war and is standing up to the immigrant and minority ridden western powers became the example of white dominance in the white supremacist world. That’s their line of thinking. So Russians, Hungarians etc have become pure whites or an example of white dominance where as Anglo Saxon (UK, Australia, Canada, US, New Zealand) have become examples of white decline. That doesn’t mean the white ppl in all those countries aren’t aligning themselves with this train of thought which is why there is such a growing alt right movement in every single one of them.
They're white around other whites and identify as white, but get them around us black folks and they're gonna pull the "I'm not white...I'm" card like we believe them.
 

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Naw look at a Russian map now and over history and you’ll see my point.

Ben Franklin- “in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth.”

Yes looked as white of course. But there’s always been a heirarchy and that’s what is misinterpreted by hoteps when they say “Italians weren’t white”. ppl in America have trouble identifying ethnic whites. Whiteness in America has historically meant WASP. That’s why you get recent white immigrants who will say “insert nation” if you call them white.

Go to Miami and call a white Brazilian or “white” and they will correct you. Frenchmen will do the same.

No different than ppl of African descent stating Nigerian, Haitian etc when you call them black as that has historically been for Black Americans.

White adoption or the rewriting of Russians as the white standard started after WW2 and Nazi Germany getting neutered by the world and sanctions. Now “Russia” who showed bravery during the war and is standing up to the immigrant and minority ridden western powers became the example of white dominance in the white supremacist world. That’s their line of thinking. So Russians, Hungarians etc have become pure whites or an example of white dominance where as Anglo Saxon (UK, Australia, Canada, US, New Zealand) have become examples of white decline. That doesn’t mean the white ppl in all those countries aren’t aligning themselves with this train of thought which is why there is such a growing alt right movement in every single one of them.
Swarthy alone doesn't mean anything, ie Swedes. Their whiteness is never questioned and Northern Europeans in general, in European culture, is the embodiment of whiteness.

Remember that the monarchs of most of the major Euro countries that still have monarchs, are cousins. Culturally was Russia was never looked at as non-white or off-white.

The other examples you're discussing are about nationality taking precedent, those groups know what umbrella they fall under. The only exception is Brazilians because Latin American colonies have a much stronger history of mixing but when push comes to shove the typical Brazilian up and down the American Eastern Seaboard knows what they fall under.
 

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Swarthy alone doesn't mean anything, ie Swedes. Their whiteness is never questioned and Northern Europeans in general, in European culture, is the embodiment of whiteness.

Remember that the monarchs of most of the major Euro countries that still have monarchs, are cousins. Culturally was Russia was never looked at as non-white or off-white.

The other examples you're discussing are about nationality taking precedent, those groups know what umbrella they fall under. The only exception is Brazilians because Latin American colonies have a much stronger history of mixing but when push comes to shove the typical Brazilian up and down the American Eastern Seaboard knows what they fall under.

You’re confused by the language. I never said their whiteness was questioned as I don’t believe that has been the case for any white ethnic groups. That’s what hoteps and black spaces interpret the heirarchy of whiteness as a declination of another groups whiteness. It’s just not reality.

Swarthy just means they didn’t view them the same as Wasps which was the embodiment of white dominance for most of the modern world (UK, US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand) are WASP countries. That doesn’t mean Norway and other Scandinavian countries are “less white” .But those countries have never wielded “world dominance” that’s the difference.

Read Ben Franklin’s quote again.

He’s basically saying white AngloSaxons are better versions of whiteness. And guess what, look at the list of those countries. He could easily make that argument. He was talking about customs, ideology, and nationhood. Not only the quality of blood.

This was racism, classism, anti immigrant, etc.

Nordic ppl were pagans and didn’t Christianize until way late.

Russians got the white supremacy boost post world war 2. because they are seen as the potential to be dominant whites. Swedes, scandinavian countries are all nice stories but peep game. Homogeneous countries without dominance is irrelevant. It’s never been white supremacy ideology to be isolationists. Those countries are trotted out in novelty only but it means nothing without that consensus top spot
 
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Swarthy alone doesn't mean anything, ie Swedes. Their whiteness is never questioned and Northern Europeans in general, in European culture, is the embodiment of whiteness.

Remember that the monarchs of most of the major Euro countries that still have monarchs, are cousins. Culturally was Russia was never looked at as non-white or off-white.

The other examples you're discussing are about nationality taking precedent, those groups know what umbrella they fall under. The only exception is Brazilians because Latin American colonies have a much stronger history of mixing but when push comes to shove the typical Brazilian up and down the American Eastern Seaboard knows what they fall under.


Latin America did not have more race mixing.
it only seems that way because they created a mixed race class. While in the states had one drop rule
 

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Italians were blind haired blue eyes pale skinned individuals until the invasion of Hannibal and then the Black-a-Moors centuries later.

My wife older Italian friend she in her 80s when she married her Irish husband his mom called her a nikka for years.

Irish and Italians hate each other with a passion.

Not true. Italians are descended from Neolithic farmers from the Middle East. They’ve always been darker than other Europeans.
 

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Latin America did not have more race mixing.
it only seems that way because they created a mixed race class. While in the states had one drop rule
This is straight up false. There are many more people in Latin America with 70/30 and 50/35/15 DNA splits in any direction than in the US. The mixed race was created because of the culture not looking down at European men procreating with Native and African women.

There are very very few white Americans walking around with 10% Native or African DNA.
 

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Why do people say this they always been seen as white. Just low level white

White people used to be on some FBA shyt. If your lineage was not Anglo Saxon, Norman, or Nordic, you weren’t “white”. You could be European but you weren’t “white”. Whiteness later became synonymous with Europeaness and the “sub-Europeans” got accepted into the fold to help abet white supremacy.

Sort of the same way FBA says “black” is the ethnic term for American born descendants of slaves and will thus say Africans are not black.

Only difference is white people coalesced a hundred years ago to consolidate power while “fakkit black asses” is doing everything to regress us back 100 years when we had no power.
 
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