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Indefinite Detention Without Trial:

Seattle residents Matt Duran and Katherine Olejnik have been imprisoned in the SeaTac Federal Detention Center for weeks.:sadcam:

Neither of them has been indicted, arraigned, or even arrested for a crime. They have been imprisoned for civil contempt by a federal prosecutor for refusing to answer personal questions during a secretive grand jury investigation of other people in the Occupy movement.

During her examination by the prosecutor, Olejnik was asked about incidents of vandalism that took place in Seattle last May Day. She wasn’t even in the city on that date. When the prosecutor began showing her photographs of people and inquiring about her political beliefs, Olejnik exercised her constitutionally protected right to remain silent. That is why she was sent to prison on the orders of U.S. District Judge Richard A. Jones. Duran’s case is nearly identical. They may remain in prison until the grand jury’s term expires in January 2014.

Duran and Olejnik are political prisoners in every sense of the expression. However, they are not the only Americans who are current being indefinitely detained without criminal charges.


Feeling safer already:rudy:
 

Rice N Beans

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Pretty sad, especially considering the FBI snipers document that passed through regarding Occupy.
 

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this cold cell is brought to you by H.R. 3162 :ahh:

punishing americans for 9/11, since 9/11.
 

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Is this real? What legal grounds do they have to justify this?

I don't know the ins and outs of the law, but you don't always have the 'right to remain silent'. you have to at least appeal to the 5th amendment and avoiding self-incrimination, but you can't just refuse to talk "just because"

again, I'm not an expert, and this situation does sound fuct up
 

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change it or leave, but your bytching is doing nothing

That's where you wrong. If I informed one more mind about how this nation is changing into something evil then I did my job. Because that one mind will tell another, and more Americans will open their eyes.

Doing nothing is what they want. This law just passed the Senate less than two weeks ago. Your telling me the Senate cant come up with a way to deal with the so called "fiscal cliff" but they can vote and pass a law making indefinite suspension legal.

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It's aight breh, just keep drinking that kool-aid :troll:
 

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I heard about that shady law coming into effect, I didn't expect that cacs would be a target :skip:
 

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Yeah, Congress had an opportunity this year to take out the controversial section of the NDAA law passed last year.....well they got their opportunity and so far...

http://reason.com/blog/2012/12/21/ndaa-passes-house-senate-by-wide-ma

Ed Krayewski|Dec. 21, 2012 5:24 pm

NDAA Passes House, Senate By Wide Margins, Amicus Brief Filed by Descendants of Interned Japanese-Americans on 68th Anniversary of Korematsu Decision

While the House passed the National Defense Authorization Act by a comfortable 315-107 margin and the Senate by a margin of 81-14, the controversial provision which allows for the indefinite detention even of U.S. citizens is continuing to be challenged in court. This week the children of Japanese-Americans the federal government interned in detention camps during World War II, filed a friend of the court brief in Hedges v. Obama, drawing parallels with their parents’ detentions. That federal policy was ruled constitutional by the Supreme Court in the 1944 case Korematsu vs. United States, continuing a tradition of yielding on military issues, even when they involved domestic action. In a 6-3 decision, the Court accepted the government’s argument of national security during wartime.
The Supreme Court also agreed with the government in World War I on another far-reaching rights violation, deciding that free speech could be curtailed in times of war. Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes used the now-famous argument that “you can’t yell fire in a crowded theater” to rule that criminalizing some forms of political dissent, such as opposing the draft, was constitutional. The NDAA provisions can similarly serve to place limits on free speech and a free press. Another amicus brief filed in the NDAA case, by the Government Accountability Project, says that the indefinite detention provisions in the NDAA could also have a chilling effect on government whistleblowers.

The government argues that the country is in a state of war (on terror, even if they don’t use the term publicly), and the military has the authority to detain anyone in the world considered aiding Al-Qaeda or “associated forces” and hold them for the duration of the war. The war is considered worldwide and indefinite. When a federal judge earlier this year briefly ruled the applicable portion of the NDAA unconstitutional, the Justice Department argued the language was nothing new, and the power already used and approved by courts. An amendment put forward by Senators Mike Lee and Dianne Feinstein that would exempt U.S. citizens from the provision was stripped in conference before the law passed.

The president remains fully committed to the indefinite detention powers and will be signing the bill presumably before the end of the year. Last year he signed it on New Year’s Eve, arguing he would never use the power to indefinitely detain Amricans. Officials explained the detentions were, uh, temporary.


What Else: While We Shopping, Eating Turkey, and Get Right Off the Egg Nog Recently

Senate set to approve FISA spying bill — RT

Senate set to approve FISA spying bill

Published: 27 December, 2012, 20:31
Edited: 28 December, 2012, 01:39

With less than a week until a powerful legislation expires that lets the government eavesdrop on the phone and email conversations of Americans, the Senate has convened in DC to discuss whether or not to renew the FISA Amendment Act.

The 2008 FISA Amendment Act, an update to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of the 1970s, allows the government to wiretap any conversation involving US citizens, without obtaining a warrant, as long as investigators reasonably suspect those talks to involve at least one party located outside of the United States. Despite demands from members of Washington’s intelligence committee, though, very little information if any has been made available about how the government uses the FISA Amendment Act, or FAA, and whom they target.


“Everyone becomes suspect when big brother is listening,” Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) said recently while arguing against renewing the FAA in the House of Representatives.

Despite pleas from Rep. Kucinich and others, the House has agreed to support renewing the FAA, a decision that has met the approval of the Obama White House as well.

Earlier this month, Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.) even told his colleagues in the Senate that there was no need to debate the bill at all since it had already received the blessing of US President Barack Obama.

Had Sen. Chambliss had his way, the Senate was likely to have skipped debates altogether and approved a renewal of the FAA without any discussion. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nevada) urged his peers to do otherwise, though, and insisted that talks be held in Washington immediately in order to tackle the FAA before it expires.

Should the Senate not re-new the FAA before December 31, the bill will expire and the warrantless wiretapping provisions will be erased. On Thursday, December 27, members of the Senate met in Washington to begin discussing the act. A vote was scheduled later in the afternoon, but then was moved to Friday.

If the FAA is renewed, the federal government will be extended the ability to warrantlessly wiretap Americans for another five years. If that is the case, though, Congress will be given another chance to consider provisions that will provide for at least some transparency only a day later.

Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Oregon), a long-time opponent of FISA, is expected to have the chance to introduce an amendment on Friday that, if approved, will force the National Security Agency (NSA) to finally open up about their use of the FAA’s warrantless wiretapping provisions.

Earlier this year, Sen. Wyden told Wired’s Danger Room, “If no one will even estimate how many Americans have had their communications collected under this law then it is all the more important that Congress act to close the ‘back door searches’ loophole, to keep the government from searching for Americans’ phone calls and emails without a warrant.”

Wyden — who sits on the Senate Foreign Intelligence Committees — has unsuccessfully asked time and time against for the NSA to explain how they use the FAA. Even if the FAA is renewed this week, the approval of Sen. Wyden’s proposed amendment would mean the NSA would have to at least give a general estimate of how many Americans it has targeted since 2008.

Senators Rand Paul (R-Kentucky), Jeff Merkley (D-Oregon) and Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont) are all expected to propose amendments that will influence how the NSA uses the FAA too.


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